Can long hair still be professional?

  • Gaymer

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    Nov 13, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
    Hello, all,

    I realize that this is a little off topic for this website, but ah vell. =P

    I'm going to be student teaching in the spring, but as of late, I've been trying to grow out my hair. I miss having it in a ponytail, even though I do admit I look 10X better with short hair. Seeing as the education workplace in the states is generally rather conservative, I'm having some qualms about keeping my long-ish hair.

    So, the subject question has two dimensions: Can long hair be professional? If so, any tips about how to tame it? IE: would it be better to put it into a ponytail, keep it down & loose, or something else?

    Thanks in advance for your responses! I'm looking forward to them icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 13, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
    In my view you would look good, plus professional in that environment, with hair that is full, but not long, especially in back.

    One of my degrees is in Speech. And one of the things I learned is to never create a visual distraction for your audience. Neutral clothing, neutral appearance. Your message is your words, and through AV presentations, not your personal appearance. You are the messenger, not the message. Don't compete with it.
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    Nov 13, 2010 1:28 PM GMT
    Unfortunately in a white collar environment, general mode of hair style is short and clean cut....Unless you're your own boss and have made a successful living, long hair is generally ill favored and usually portrays as being unprofessional.

    In saying that look up the dress code for employees from where you work...It'll give you the precise yes and no to whats permissible.
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    Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM GMT
    I'm totally sportin' the unprofessional look lately.

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    -super short on one side with a little shaved "chip" out of the front to simulate a receding hair line. I also have one eyebrow shaved off too.

    No one has said anything because I can pull anything off with my face. I also keep my neck waxed extremely clean. The eyebrow gets drawn on everyday (clockwork orange), and you would never notice until you got right in front of me.

    I say as long as you know what you're talking about and you can prove that within the first 30 sec. You're goldenicon_smile.gif

    I might have the most unconservative hair at times, but upon meeting me I always come across as very professional and confident. It's all in body language.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 13, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    I think you can get away with it being long in education.
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    Nov 13, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    hauptstimme saidI'm totally sportin' the unprofessional look lately.

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    -super short on one side with a little shaved "chip" out of the front to simulate a receding hair line. I also have one eyebrow shaved off too.

    No one has said anything because I can pull anything off with my face. I also keep my neck waxed extremely clean. The eyebrow gets drawn on everyday (clockwork orange), and you would never notice until you got right in front of me.

    I say as long as you know what you're talking about and you can prove that within the first 30 sec. You're goldenicon_smile.gif

    I might have the most unconservative hair at times, but upon meeting me I always come across as very professional and confident. It's all in body language.



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    Nov 13, 2010 2:39 PM GMT
    My profile pic is just this. you would never know that eyebrow is painted on with some stain on underneath.

    notice the etched lines in the sides. I have incredible makeup artistry skills. I can do just about anything.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 13, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    hauptstimme saidMy profile pic is just this. you would never know that eyebrow is painted on with some stain on underneath.

    notice the etched lines in the sides. I have incredible makeup artistry skills. I can do just about anything.


    your left brow?
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    Nov 13, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    Timberoo said
    hauptstimme saidMy profile pic is just this. you would never know that eyebrow is painted on with some stain on underneath.

    notice the etched lines in the sides. I have incredible makeup artistry skills. I can do just about anything.


    your left brow?


    OUi!

    Actually I'm bleaching the other one out entirely right now as we speak. Then, I will stain my lashes a red-black.

    No one has even commented on the 'mock' receding hairline.
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    Nov 13, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
    Dav488 saidHello, all,

    I realize that this is a little off topic for this website, but ah vell. =P


    HAHA. Have you read the other topics?

    Anyways, no don't do it. No one wants their kids to be taught by someone hippie looking.
  • Gaymer

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:05 PM GMT
    Hauptstimme, would you say that where you work could be considered a rather conservative working environment? How long have you worked there? Are you known for maintaining professionality whilst having a bit of unprofessional flair?

    The reason why I ask these questions is because there is a huge difference between already being in a stable work environment and then changing things up and being a bit unprofessional VS. walking in the door with what could be perceived as an unprofessional flair (IE: long hair, or a non-conservative hairstyle such as yours).

    I'm glad that your employer and peers aren't giving you flack for your hairstyle, but that wasn't the original question, nor the context =P
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    Nov 13, 2010 3:15 PM GMT
    Dav488 saidHauptstimme, would you say that where you work could be considered a rather conservative working environment? How long have you worked there? Are you known for maintaining professionality whilst having a bit of unprofessional flair?

    The reason why I ask these questions is because there is a huge difference between already being in a stable work environment and then changing things up and being a bit unprofessional VS. walking in the door with what could be perceived as an unprofessional flair (IE: long hair, or a non-conservative hairstyle such as yours).

    I'm glad that your employer and peers aren't giving you flack for your hairstyle, but that wasn't the original question, nor the context =P


    It's pretty professional I guess. We are all Doctors (my supervisors are, but I will be there). People come to us for a diagnosis. We do rehab for that and habilitation too. I don't know; it's being a health care provider.

    I walk into that waiting room getting patients with confidence and a very strict regimen that maybe impresses people. It doesn't hurt to be dressed to to nine either.

    I've had nothing but respect in my field.
  • rnch

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
    No
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    Nov 13, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
    BTW:
    When it comes to getting my externship you better bet that I'm investing now in an Armani suit and I will have a very conservative EVERYTHING. Even the bulge that protrudes from my very tight dress pants.
  • rnch

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    hauptstimme said
    Dav488 saidHauptstimme, would you say that where you work could be considered a rather conservative working environment? How long have you worked there? Are you known for maintaining professionality whilst having a bit of unprofessional flair?

    The reason why I ask these questions is because there is a huge difference between already being in a stable work environment and then changing things up and being a bit unprofessional VS. walking in the door with what could be perceived as an unprofessional flair (IE: long hair, or a non-conservative hairstyle such as yours).

    I'm glad that your employer and peers aren't giving you flack for your hairstyle, but that wasn't the original question, nor the context =P


    It's pretty professional I guess. We are all Doctors (my supervisors are, but I will be there). People come to us for a diagnosis. We do rehab for that and habilitation too. I don't know; it's being a health care provider.

    I walk into that waiting room getting patients with confidence and a very strict regimen that maybe impresses people. It doesn't hurt to be dressed to to nine either.

    I've had nothing but respect in my field.


    you do sound like you are most impressed with your own self image.
  • Gaymer

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]rnch said

    you do sound like you are most impressed with your own self image.[/quote]

    We can leave the personal attacking for other threads. I'm not interested in bickering back and forth. icon_cool.gif

    Could you elaborate as to why you replied "no" earlier? Any particular reasons? I know that most people wouldn't consider long hair professional, but I'm trying to find ways around that =P
  • rnch

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    Dav488 said[quote][cite]rnch said

    you do sound like you are most impressed with your own self image.


    We can leave the personal attacking for other threads. I'm not interested in bickering back and forth. icon_cool.gif

    Could you elaborate as to why you replied "no" earlier? Any particular reasons? I know that most people wouldn't consider long hair professional, but I'm trying to find ways around that =P
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    not a personal attack, dav, just an observation after reading his replies and threads.
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    Nov 13, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    Dav488 said[quote][cite]rnch said

    you do sound like you are most impressed with your own self image.


    We can leave the personal attacking for other threads. I'm not interested in bickering back and forth. icon_cool.gif

    Could you elaborate as to why you replied "no" earlier? Any particular reasons? I know that most people wouldn't consider long hair professional, but I'm trying to find ways around that =P
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    Here's your cue.
    -Have high expectations. It doesn't matter about your appearance. It matters about performance.

    -Leave it at that. You can look however you look but know the expectations you place on yourself as well as your students. You'll do fine.
  • Aquariandy

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    Nov 13, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    It may depend on the ages of the students you're teaching. I sub-teach for high school, with my shaggy hair and sideburns, and I get comments the same way I've always gotten comments, but the point is to stay focused on the job at hand. If you're confident in yourself and your ability to teach, regardless of the lesson, then you'll do fine.

    I disagree that education is a "conservative" environment. This again depends on your particular geographic/population factors. Schools are meant to be tolerant environments, accepting of all who are willing to learn. You should just be yourself, and however you choose to present yourself so that you're comfortable will make you the best educator you can be. It is about earning your students' trust, and you can do that by being yourself. Use any misconceptions as teaching moments.

    If you haven't heard about the recent story out of Oregon, its worth reading, especially for someone in your situation.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/10/seth-stambaugh.html
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    Nov 13, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    Personally dav, I would love to have you for about 2 hours and give you a total makeover. I disagree that anything goes in the professional field and one of the problems in education over the last 30 years is teachers coming to work looking like they just left a crack house. Speaking from experience when I went to school, not TOO long ago, when teachers wore suits and skirts, it conveys a feeling of respect, separating you from the student. Jeans, Tshirts and ponytails don't separate you.

    In any event, with the clean styles kids have today, they are going to outshine you in the dress department. Entering the professional work force entails leaving our childhood and ponytails behind us and maturing into acceptable practices.

    While a ponytail might be ok in the trades, I don't think it is appropriate in your scholastic endeavors. Ask me as a prospective employer as to whom I would hire between the short hair and the pony tail? The short hair, based on everthing else being equal. You may pfff my submission, but my age puts me in the hiring eschalon, and I have the supervisory experience to know of which I speak....

    Food for thought?.............best of luck, and the makeover is free...Keithicon_cool.gif
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    Nov 13, 2010 4:12 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said[...] One of my degrees is in Speech. And one of the things I learned is to never create a visual distraction for your audience. Neutral clothing, neutral appearance. Your message is your words, and AV presentations, not your personal appearance. You are the messenger, not the message. Don't compete with it.


    I agree with lots of the above. However this can easily prevent someone from feeling free to express himself visually (haircuts, clothing, etc.). Sometimes people have to make choices which (negatively) influence other aspects of their life.
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    Nov 13, 2010 4:20 PM GMT
    Lo and behold for Jesus had longeth hair and yet people listenedeth to him. lawl!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 13, 2010 4:22 PM GMT
    I agree with much of what has been said above. I would just keep in mind the location of your "student teaching". I've heard of several positive and not so positive experiences of those student teachers. If you are in a rural setting with an older teacher, I'd be more conservative... if more urban and younger, you're probably OK.

    The comment above about being "neutral" is a prudent one. Don't make waves during this part of your career and especially not with school finance being challenged in many states in the country. I've seen many untenured teachers terminated for "no cause"..... you don't want to run the risk of alienating someone who can make or break you.

    I'd say be cautious, be neutral and don't draw attention to yourself in what could be perceived as an unflattering manner.
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    Nov 13, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
    Dav488 said[...] I'm going to be student teaching in the spring, but as of late, I've been trying to grow out my hair. I miss having it in a ponytail, even though I do admit I look 10X better with short hair. Seeing as the education workplace in the states is generally rather conservative, I'm having some qualms about keeping my long-ish hair.
    So, the subject question has two dimensions: Can long hair be professional? If so, any tips about how to tame it? IE: would it be better to put it into a ponytail, keep it down & loose, or something else?
    Thanks in advance for your responses! I'm looking forward to them icon_smile.gif


    My impression is:

    75% of a stranger's impression is due to the other person's attitude and charisma, 25% his outer appearance (clothing, hairstyle, etc.).

    95+% impression due to the person's attitude and charisma (5-% appearance) when they know the person already.

    Summary- if you make an intelligent and friendly impression early on you will have succeeded professionally. Your hairstyle and clothing will become invisible (unless you emit foul odors).
  • rnch

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    Nov 13, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    Fivealive saidUnfortunately in a white collar environment, general mode of hair style is short and clean cut....Unless you're your own boss and have made a successful living, long hair is generally ill favored and usually portrays as being unprofessional.

    In saying that look up the dress code for employees from where you work...It'll give you the precise yes and no to whats permissible.


    i agree!!

    unless you are an emerging rock music star or a clothing fashion designer; i don't see how you can successfully launch a new career, where you are in the public eye, sporting long hair.

    i would Seriously Suggest loosing the nanny goat chin fuzz also.

    long hair and face fuzz is fine for college, but not in the "real world".