Not eating but taking vitamins and supplements?

  • Prodij22

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    Jun 13, 2007 4:44 AM GMT
    Hey guys, just shouting out a quick message to get a few responses on what everyone thinks! Just a quick scenario; Everyday I drink a good 4 32fl oz cups of water, eat maybe a few peaces of bread, and take a multi vitamin, LIPO 6 fat burner, 3 fish oil pills, and a L Lycin everyday. Is it completly bad for myself to do this? I need to loose a quick 30pds, I know it is basically starving myself, but I plan on loosing the wait and then I want to build muscle mass a good 15pds or so. Right now I weigh about 234pds, I want to be at 195pds in a good month or two. Any tips, or comments or advice, please feel free to let me know. Dont hold back! Hope to hear from you guys soon.

    Also what else should I take to increase the size of my veins and my blood flow? Alos any other comments you can tell me about best vitamins and pills to speed up your metabolism please. Thank guys Talk soon!
  • Laurence

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    Jun 13, 2007 12:15 PM GMT
    Hi Prod

    I can understand your frustration and desire to lose weight. But losing it quickly is never a good idea, as it puts your vital organs under strain and usually results in you putting the weight back on equally quickly when you strart to eat again.

    Why not visit your doctor and get a good eating plan from him/her, or look for advice on the internet?

    You look like a handsome guy who wants to lose a few pounds, and it's a shame you can't show a bit of patience and do things the correct/healthy way.

    I can't see you getting much support for this kind of crash diet from the guys on here.

    Good luck anyways.

    Loz
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    Jun 13, 2007 3:08 PM GMT
    Why do you need to lose the weight so quickly?

    Yes, starvation is bad. And you won't really get as much from those vitamin and supplement pills as you would from real food -- their absorption rates are much lower.

    To compensate from not receiving enough calories your body will consume the muscle that you do have before the fat. In fact, it will store even more fat.

    If you're planning on gaining some of the weight back right away in the form of muscle, then I say skip this first step of crash dieting and jump right into exercise and weight lifting. You'll save yourself time and your body from long-term damage.
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    Jun 13, 2007 3:30 PM GMT
    To answer your question "is it completely bad for me to do this?"

    In a word. YES.

    Crash dieting is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER a good way to lose weight. Your body and metabolism work as a finely tuned machine. By taking away everything but a few slices of bread a day, your body will immediately go into 'starvation' mode. You're tricking your body into thinking there is a famine going on, so it shouldn't expect much in terms of intake.

    As a result, your metabolism and key hormones that regulate it will drop. Your body will become MORE thrifty on the energy it burns. And it's wouldn't be uncommon for you to lose some weight, and then put on even more after the diet. As soon as you start ingesting food again, your body will just store it, thinking food is still scarce.

    Ever heard of yo-yo diets? Lose/gain, lose/gain? Starving one's self is the best way to do this. It's not a long term weight loss strategy. Eliminate crap from your diet, eat fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and lean proteins, complemented with exercise and the weight will start coming off.

    Best way to increase the size of your veins and your blood flow - EXERCISE. If there is a get healthy / get thin pill out there, it's called a healthy dose of 'get off your ass and do something'. Far too often people look to pills to solve these problems, and the supplement industry has done a great job of 'convincing' you that you need Pill X or Pill Y to achieve your goals. Of course they do - they're in the business of making money!

    You gotta put the time in. And you have to EAT.
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    Jun 13, 2007 5:31 PM GMT
    I am no expert but I can only share with you that which helped me.

    I only started going to the gym about 2 months ago and hired a personal trainer to help me get the best exercise routine for me. I also stopped eating all the crap that I use to and put myself on a 85% organic diet…you don’t need to cut out all your favorite foods the key is moderation. I eat 4-5 times a day which can consist of just a simple banana or orange and drink plenty of water. I also hit the gym for about 1.5 hrs and mix in everything. Racquetball, rock climbing, cardio, weights….keep it interesting so it doesn’t get boring. I’ve lost 5inchs on my waist and about 22lbs in those 2 months and never once took a pill or starved myself.

    I was always skinny and never had to watch what I eat but over the past 3yrs that has changed but my activity didn’t. I never exercised and the weight caught up to me. You will be surprised how much you body will react if you just take the time to do it right and keep it up.
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    Jun 13, 2007 5:40 PM GMT
    Give me a S!

    Give me a T!

    Give me a U!

    Give me a P!

    Give me an I!

    Give me a D!

    Your dingy diet is sure fire way to get your metabolism way fucked up and at a call. When you come back to your sense your body will think the famine is over, and do what it did best with cave men: store fat for the next impending famine!

    Where on earth do you come up with such idiotic stuff?

    THINK next time.
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    Jun 13, 2007 7:51 PM GMT
    Here's something else to think about. If you do somehow manage to lose that much weight that quickly, you're going to be left with saggy, flabby skin that just hangs there. You'll see this often with people who go for gastric bypass.

    If your goal is to look good shirtless or in a swimsuit or something like that, you'll be sadly disappointed.

    You should shoot for losing no more than 1 or 2 lbs. a week. That'll give your body time to adjust and your skin to tone up naturally.

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    Jun 13, 2007 8:54 PM GMT
    Agreed. I've lost and gained 20 pounds a couple of times on diets that I couldn't sustain (Atkins, Medifast, vodka and Doritos). The best way to lose the weight to gradually, and on a diet that's sustainable long-term. I don't know how good/bad your diet is now, but if you simply swap out processed foods with fruits and veggies and eat smaller meals more frequently during the day, you're bound to do well. Good luck!
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    Jun 13, 2007 10:12 PM GMT
    pot dilates your blood vessels.
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    Jun 13, 2007 11:35 PM GMT
    Re: thecureforeverything.

    1) Yes, the 'diets' aren't sustainable because each one systematically robs your system of essential nutrients. Fats, carbohydrates and proteins are all ESSENTIAL. Cut any out of your diet and your body gets royally pissed. It responds by creating cravings you just can't say no to.

    2) Did you really say 'Vodka and Doritos' diet? What kind of crazy ass idiot came up with that diet?
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    Jun 14, 2007 12:03 AM GMT
    I was on the doritos and vodka diet. It actually helped me lose 10 pounds in a month.
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    Jun 14, 2007 2:41 AM GMT
    Booze and junk food as a 'diet'. That's completely absurd. No offense, but I don't care how many pounds you lost in a month. If deep down you think that is actually good for you, I've got a bridge I can sell you.

    Doritos have more artificial ingredients than they do real ones. Not the least of which include hydrogenated fats, MSG, corn syrup and tons of preservatives so they keep a 2 year shelf life. Sustaining your body on chemically-enhanced, fried corn chips and ethanol is about as good as the guy that's taking diet pills and eating 3 slices of bread a day.

    Then again, I'll take all of this back if you can find me a published scientific double-blind 10 year study that verifies corn chips and vodka are the keystones to good health.
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    Jun 14, 2007 6:16 AM GMT
    Who cares about health when every day was a party and a half?

    I think you lose more weight if you go for the salsa verde over the cool ranch. Something about the spiciness of it boosting your metabolism.
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    Jun 14, 2007 9:39 AM GMT
    Dear Prodij22,
    First, I'd like to congratulate you for making the right decision to lose weight. I also admire your will power in terms of depending on supplements and slices of bread to survive everyday.

    However, I hope you understand that Supplements are suppose to fill in the nutrition gaps you have due to the poor food quality that we have to consume nowadays. It is not to REPLACE. Rather SUPPLEMENT your diet. We need to eat. God has created a set of perfect teeth, a tongue and a throat for us to chew, savour and swallow food. So, use them. Our body is a very complex mechanism. It needs food to function. Mother nature has done a great job by producing Brocolli that contains high in antioxidants. Chicken, fish & beef that contain all the essential amino acids needed by our body to function to the max. Carbohydates from wheat, oats & rice together with roughage for our blood glucose & easy bowel movement. But due to poor soil mantainence and polution by human beings, the quality of mother nature has depleted. Causing our food to be less nutritious and lack of certain stuffs in them. This is where Supplements come in handy. However, should I remind you that its should SUPPLEMENT. Not SUBSTITUTE/REPLACE.

    So, my suggestion is to get a doctor or a nutritionist for a proper diet that is in alignment with your fitness goals. Trust me, you can't afford not to.

    Warmest Regards,
    Hariz

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    Jun 14, 2007 4:00 PM GMT
    Dear Enigmatic re: vodka and Doritos. You're absolutely right, and I'm definitely not proud of/endorsing that way of eating at all. I was young (early 20s), busy, and clueless about proper nutrition. And I haven't had a Dorito in a very long time. Won't say the same about the vodka.

    My personal trainer recommended the book "Power Eating" (http://tinyurl.com/yvrl4u) to maximize my workouts, and I also really found helpful Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma" (http://tinyurl.com/2hhxwe) for general awareness about where our food comes from.

    Peace.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jun 15, 2007 9:33 PM GMT
    This will not increase ur metabolism only starve ur fat cells and deplete your muscles. Eventually you will end up heavier than before you started. Not sure who told you to do this diet but it will not work. You would do better to join a gym and do 1/2 cardio 1/2 hour weight train. If you r not trying to bulk up do lighter weights more reps- Eat nutritious foods alot of protein one gram per pound, and good carbs brown rice etc. If you do this you will look better in the shortest time and have a better chance of staying that way! A better body is not in a bottle!!!! Do the work. You will feel better have more energy sleep better and look better guarenteed!! Creatine can help with your veins showing, but take one step at a time. Keep us posted. Good Luck

    mike