Cross-medium adaptations (videogames, movies, novels, musicals, et al.)

  • NickoftheNort...

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    Mar 13, 2008 2:26 PM GMT
    Jumping off of the SPAMALOT thread, what are some comment-worthy adaptations you've seen, read, or experienced?

    I'll begin with one of my more recent experiences: the adaptation of Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Dragons of Autumn Twilight to a feature animated film.

    If you ever wanted to experience a film that actually requires exposition padding, this is it. I cannot recall when I last suffered this level of mental whiplash. While there is much in Dungeons & Dragons that can be made into a kickass film or series, this eight-plus-years-in-the-making film should serve as the baseline from which future movies can *only* improve upon.
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    Mar 13, 2008 2:29 PM GMT
    Most suck.

    Some do rock though.

    The Chronicles of Riddick for instance (Pitch Black, that anime short I forgot the name to, the videogame Escape from Butcher Bay, and the Chronicles of Riddick films)


    Resident Evil
    too
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    Mar 13, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    Seeing as I am a Vin Diesel fan, as well as a fan of his character Riddick, I know the answer to the anime.
    The Riddick anime is titled "Dark Fury". It's mostly fan-fare that provides a short story that loosely links the end of "Pitch Black" to the beginning of "Chronicles of Riddick".
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    Mar 13, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
    In the case of videogames to screen, there's a high percent chance it will miserably fail: Lara Croft, Super Mario Bros., Doom, Street Fighter...

    At the most they can aspire to be better than average movies like the Resident Evil trilogy and Hitman. (Don't get me wrong, I LOVED all the Resident Evil flicks, and I would gladly lock myself in the closet for Milla Jojovich, but that's because I'm biased... objectively, it could have been a better movie)
    Roger Ebert flat out said that videogames will most likely never be considered a work of art
    (Which is BS, but he does make a good point in them being hard to translate to the big screen)

    Comics have a much better chance: Like Spiderman, and ... um ... spiderman 2 and 3 icon_razz.gif
    Nah just joking, there's of course the First 2 batman movies, Batman Begins, the old school Superman movies, and maybe Hellboy.
    The X-men movies were fine I guess, but they did piss me off.
    Oh, and then there's Daredevil, ha ha....

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    Mar 13, 2008 10:07 PM GMT
    I'm pretty fond of the "Don't Tase Me Bro" Treadmill where if you slow down or set the decline too low, you get zapped. I know it's a little off center from the topic, but it is cross medium, somehow.
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    Mar 13, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    Oh, McGay.....shine on your crazy....thing...you....

    Anyways, the best movie adaptation of a novel I've ever seen was 'Misery'. Dead on with the book, not leaving too many details out, and despite the one major change, it was faithful to the text and carried out the mood and intention that the book had.

    I'd also have to say the film adaptation of 'Sweeney Todd' was very good. I wasn't crazy that some songs got cut or were parred down, but it took advantage of the film medium and breathed some new air into the musical.
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    Mar 13, 2008 10:39 PM GMT
    V for Vendetta!

    Otherwise Silent Hill didn't strike me a great, neither did sucktastic 4, Electra, Hulk, Resident evil, and many others.

    I think drama/suspense is a better media to take to the movies.
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    Mar 13, 2008 11:25 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidV for Vendetta!

    Otherwise Silent Hill didn't strike me a great, neither did sucktastic 4, Electra, Hulk, Resident evil, and many others.

    I think drama/suspense is a better media to take to the movies.


    I did <33333333333333 V for Vendetta! icon_biggrin.gif They made some significant changes from the graphic novel, but the changes were very well done and in good character.

    And overall, Silent Hill wasn't the best movie I've ever seen, but I did think they did a pretty good job of capturing atmosphere. Those sirens creeped me out!! icon_sad.gif

    I still don't understand why no one has tried a high-budget, star-casted Half-Life or Diablo movie. Instead we have such gems as Doom, Tomb Raider, and (gag) Super Mario Bros! icon_evil.gificon_evil.gif
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:53 AM GMT
    Militant_JockSeeing as I am a Vin Diesel fan, as well as a fan of his character Riddick, I know the answer to the anime.
    The Riddick anime is titled "Dark Fury". It's mostly fan-fare that provides a short story that loosely links the end of "Pitch Black" to the beginning of "Chronicles of Riddick".


    Thanks. icon_smile.gif I can't remember it coz it was a long time ago since I last saw it.

    I hate the recent adaptations of Marvel's heroes into the big screen. X-men was so disappointing. icon_mad.gif

    I've been dying to see V for Vendetta for years. icon_sad.gif Can't fin it in the *$@# video rentals here though.

    Half-Life!!!

    I SOOO want to see a Half-Life movie! icon_sad.gif Maybe the guys at Valve are just afraid it'll get the same treatment as many of the video game franchises that went to the movies - they'll suck and then get forgotten. They'll be right anyways. A sucky movie will stick on the game's name and ruin it.

    For movies from books...

    The Notebook, bleh never really liked the book. The movie was decent though.

    Harry Potter - the movies were sooooo disappointing. I think it actually made me stay off the last 2 books I haven't read yet.

    Earthsea trilogy - the TV adaptation was good. But Ursula K. LeGuin reputedly didn't like it.

    Lord of the Rings trilogy - lovely. The locations were fantastic. There were some disparities with the book though. Saruman pronouncing Sauron as 'Saw-ron' for instance. Hehe

    The Exorcist - never seen the movie. But read the book icon_razz.gif ... and its sequel - Legion LOL

    War of the Worlds - if that can be considered an adaptation. LOL Sucked I guess.

    The Bicentennial Man - Asimov's original short story made me appreciate the movie even more.

    Battlestar Galactica - ugh.

    Star Wars - the video game adaptations of the movies are quite decent. Knights of the Old Republic really rocked though.

    The Cat in the Hat - LOL. I read Dr. Seuss a lot when I was younger. The film was awesome. icon_razz.gif

    Pride & Prejudice - I actually liked the movie more. I tried to read the novel when I was younger but gave up because the English was too archaic. LOL.

    Bourne trilogy - I was an avid Ludlum fan when I was in high school. But I can't for the love of me, remember a single word from the Bourne books (which I really did read). The movies were awesome though.

    Jurassic Park - I loved Crichton once. I don't anymore. heh. I have since realized how ridiculous it was to weave in Chaos theory along with a book about dinosaurs. Still, it was great to see dinosaurs on film.icon_wink.gif

    Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - The movie was great. I haven't read the books, nor listened to the radio show though.

    Sphere - one of the books of Micheal Crichton I still love. The movie was okay, but unless you've read the book, you wouldn't understand one single word in it. LOL

    anyway... lots more but meh... later maybe...
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:29 PM GMT
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    Battlestar Galactica - ugh.


    What?
    Oh no You didn'!!!

    Dude, hating on Galactica is hating on Apollo, and hating on Apollo is hating on THIS:



  • NickoftheNort...

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    Mar 14, 2008 5:39 PM GMT
    ...and you better damn well not hate on Lucy Lawless!

    (or on the gorgeously sculpted Lee "Apollo" Adama; Lawless gets dibs on the gay non-hate quota though)
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    Mar 14, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    I was blown away by the live-action adaption of "Transformers". I loved the cartoon as a kid, but I had doubts that the transformation effects would looks cheesy and too CGI. Instead I was very amazed at the job done - when Blackout transforms in the beginning, the first time Optimus Prime transforms, and especially Starscream. Can't wait to see characters like Soundwave in "Transferomers 2"!
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    Mar 14, 2008 6:10 PM GMT
    Memoirs of a Geisha translated well from book to screen. Though naturally the book is longer.
    I don't play video games so i can't really comment on those.

    I personally think certain comic book movies have done a good job at translating, X-Men, Elektra (YES... as a HUGE fan of the comic book assassin i think that her filminc presentation is spot on!), and the frist 2 Batman films. I will however say that i thought Batman Begins and all three of the Spiderman films were trash!

    With Batman... too much... just too much. if it were supposed to be high drama, then maybe i would have been okay with it. But it's Batman, not Vanity Fair.

    Spiderman... a big miscasting with Dunst as Mary Jane (Isn't she supposed to be pretty and a little buxom?), and again... too much drama. It's not The Once and Future King.

    And that second one... was there REALLY a villian? Same with Sandman. Come on! I need someone i can hate! (Well in my case love cause i always like the bad guys better)

    In a comic book movie i want a little drama and edge, and a lot of flash and action! I dont care about Peter Parker and his girl issues! I want a clear cut good guy, a clear cut bad guy, a bunch of flash and fights... and there you have it. A little cliff hanger works too like the end of Daredevil where Matt finds the Elektra necklace (I have the Elektra necklace actually) in braille.
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    Mar 14, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    I hate it when video games get turned into movies. Hollywood always seems to mess it up somehow.
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    Mar 14, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    I've only seen two movies that ever did justice to the books they were based on ... "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Like Water for Chocolate."

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    Mar 14, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    Best movie based on a comic book that was based on a movie:

    The Mask. The original was one of the weirdest movies ever filmed (late 1961 Canadian horror film) with bizarre 3-D dream sequences and a ridiculously annoying cue to don your 3-D specs (PUT ON THE MASK NOW... PUT ON THE MASK NOW...). Later reshaped into a pseudo-superhero comic book which became a fairly enjoyable 1994 Jim Carrey movie.

    Best movie based on a comic about a futuristic bimbo, made way before the current fad of turning comics into movies:

    A tie between Barbarella (1968 ) and Tank Girl (1995). Both classics in their own right.
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    Mar 14, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    riptjock saidBest movie based on a comic book that was based on a movie:

    The Mask. The original was one of the weirdest movies ever filmed (late 1961 Canadian horror film) with bizarre 3-D dream sequences and a ridiculously annoying cue to don your 3-D specs (PUT ON THE MASK NOW... PUT ON THE MASK NOW...). Later reshaped into a pseudo-superhero comic book which became a fairly enjoyable 1994 Jim Carrey movie.

    Best movie based on a comic about a futuristic bimbo, made way before the current fad of turning comics into movies:

    A tie between Barbarella (1968 ) and Tank Girl (1995). Both classics in their own right.


    They are re-imagining Barbarella...
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    Mar 14, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    Worst movie based on a literary classic:

    Troy.

    Brad Pitt is a great actor and he's in fantastic shape, but he ain't Achilles. Achilles made all those guys from 300 look like wimps. Even worse was the decision to cast fat, middle-aged men to play Agamemnon and Menelaus as self-important, pompous, evil armchair quarterbacks. Those guys were supposed to be studs! They were supposed to be heroes!

    The liberties taken with the story were far more criminal. Patroclus was not Achilles's "cousin", he was his lover (or "special friend", as my classics professor winkingly said). Achilles did not have a Trojan girlfriend. Achilles was dead long before they built the Trojan horse. ACHILLES DID NOT KILL AGAMEMNON!!! Agamemnon was famously murdered by his own wife Clytemnestra upon returning home from the war. That's sort of a big deal in literature.

    The story of the Trojan War has survived more than 3000 years and these Hollywood idiots think they can improve it? A large part of ancient Greek culture was based on the stories of the Trojan War and its spinoffs (the Odyssey, the Oresteian trilogy, etc). Homer must be spinning in his grave.

    And will someone please tell me what a LLAMA was doing prancing around the streets of Troy in the opening scene? Has Troy somehow been relocated to Ecuador?

    Two thumbs down. I'd give it more thumbs down, if I had em.
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    Mar 15, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    IkarosDude, hating on Galactica is hating on Apollo, and hating on Apollo is hating on THIS:


    NickoftheNorth...and you better damn well not hate on Lucy Lawless!


    Calm down! Sheesh. LOL

    I don't mean the NEW BSG! icon_rolleyes.gif

    I meant the original one. Have you guys even read the original BSG? It was pure corniness and space drama. icon_rolleyes.gif Kinda star trekkish too.

    The new BSG looks nothing like the original. Even the cylons look different. icon_razz.gif

    Agree that Elektra was cool, I like the way it ties in with the Daredevil movie.
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    Mar 15, 2008 4:47 PM GMT
    riptjock saidWorst movie based on a literary classic:

    Troy.

    Brad Pitt is a great actor and he's in fantastic shape, but he ain't Achilles. Achilles made all those guys from 300 look like wimps. Even worse was the decision to cast fat, middle-aged men to play Agamemnon and Menelaus as self-important, pompous, evil armchair quarterbacks. Those guys were supposed to be studs! They were supposed to be heroes!

    The liberties taken with the story were far more criminal. Patroclus was not Achilles's "cousin", he was his lover (or "special friend", as my classics professor winkingly said). Achilles did not have a Trojan girlfriend. Achilles was dead long before they built the Trojan horse. ACHILLES DID NOT KILL AGAMEMNON!!! Agamemnon was famously murdered by his own wife Clytemnestra upon returning home from the war. That's sort of a big deal in literature.

    The story of the Trojan War has survived more than 3000 years and these Hollywood idiots think they can improve it? A large part of ancient Greek culture was based on the stories of the Trojan War and its spinoffs (the Odyssey, the Oresteian trilogy, etc). Homer must be spinning in his grave.

    And will someone please tell me what a LLAMA was doing prancing around the streets of Troy in the opening scene? Has Troy somehow been relocated to Ecuador?

    Two thumbs down. I'd give it more thumbs down, if I had em.


    THANK YOU!
    I agree with you 100%
    Troy was ridiculous
    Is was insulting. And you cannot try to make a legend like Achilles and Hector "historically accurate" by cutting off all the greek gods that intervened in the story, because they MADE the story happen in the first place.
    And to tone down the relationship between Patroclus and Achilles?

    WTF?

    That movie pissed me off more than Sedative hating on the BSG hotties!

    lol just jokin Sedative
    You know you're my buddy
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  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 15, 2008 5:25 PM GMT
    I have never really understood the whole "we have to make this property into a film" mentality whenever something hits it big. Adapting something that worked (or in a lot of cases didn't work but was still very popular) in one form into a different medium is usually pretty tricky. When books become films, for instance, there are huge changes that have to made in most cases and those changes almost invariably alter the source material in ways that make it unrecognizable. For that reason I am really scared for the film version of "Watchmen."

    I don't get the need to turn video games into films. Games today are already films in which the player gets to be the main character in the movie. Watching a film adaptation is about as much fun as watching somebody else play the game.

    That said, these are pretty good adaptations:

    The film "Adaptation" based on Susan Orlean's book "The Orchid Thief" is just genius. A screenwriter's attempt to adapt difficult source material is brilliantly depicted. Charlie Kaufman would win an Oscar for his next script, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."

    *Clint Eastwood's film "Mystic River" adapted from the Dennis Lehane novel. Huge chunks of the novel have to be edited out for time, but the tone of the piece is spot on.

    *I thought Scorsese's "The Departed" was a good adaptation of the film "Infernal Affairs." Both films have their merits and are a very cool double feature.

    *"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was hugely improved by its adaptation for TV. It was really a landmark series that has been hugely influential on what's on the tube today. Now it's a pretty kick ass comic book.

    "Friday Night Lights" succeeded as a book (one of the best non-fiction books I have ever read, even people who don't like football should read it) adapted into a pretty good film and a truly fantastic Peabody Award winning TV series. The series is available on NBC.com -- watch it if you haven't.

    The American TV version of "The Office" is pretty special. Many attempts at adapting a BBC program for American networks has failed pretty miserably, but this one works like a charm.

    "Hairspray" worked as a film and then as a Broadway musical and then as a film again. "The Producers" was not so lucky.

    Finally, the Harry Potter film series gets better as it goes along, just like the books. I am not too thrilled about Warner Bros. making the 7th book into two films. . .