日本語の勉強は難しい!助けってください。 Study advice

  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 15, 2010 9:29 AM GMT
    I love the idea of being more skilled in Japanese but I just can't seem to get into the right frame of mind when it comes to studying.
    So far I've done it in drips and drabs, I have an exam in less than three weeks and I suck at focusing my attention long term (which has kinda been an issue in my whole life, come to think about it).

    漢字の勉強はまま、でも単語がちょっと。。。意味が覚える、助けってお願い。
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    Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
    woah..i can't read the Kanji Characters...but do you mean that :"by studying chinese (but has little meaning), learn it bit by bit."



    icon_eek.gif ...aaand the rest i can't read cuz of the Kanji stuff...i can only read and understand Hiragana and katana characters.
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    Nov 15, 2010 12:47 PM GMT
    Rent some Japanese movies. Listen to some classical music as it helps to concentrate ... If there is someone who speaks fluent japanese, ask them to assist you in terms giving you exercises on Japanese skills.

    DO YOUR BEST!!
  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 15, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
    The kanji, should, translate into something like:
    "Kanji study is ok but vocabulary is a little...I forget the meanings. Please help."

    The classical music idea might be worth a shot and living in Japan I know a few people who could in theory help out but between my job and theirs it's difficult.

    I need to try a knuckle down but just can't seem to get into the right mind set...I did study 7 new kanji tonight though so I'm hoping that will spill over into vocab study.
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    Nov 15, 2010 1:33 PM GMT
    Hokenshi saidThe kanji, should, translate into something like:
    "Kanji study is ok but vocabulary is a little...I forget the meanings. Please help."

    The classical music idea might be worth a shot and living in Japan I know a few people who could in theory help out but between my job and theirs it's difficult.

    I need to try a knuckle down but just can't seem to get into the right mind set...I did study 7 new kanji tonight though so I'm hoping that will spill over into vocab study.


    あなたはそれを行うことができます!
  • dragonbunny

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    Nov 15, 2010 1:35 PM GMT
    Hokenshi saidThe kanji, should, translate into something like:
    "Kanji study is ok but vocabulary is a little...I forget the meanings. Please help."

    The classical music idea might be worth a shot and living in Japan I know a few people who could in theory help out but between my job and theirs it's difficult.

    I need to try a knuckle down but just can't seem to get into the right mind set...I did study 7 new kanji tonight though so I'm hoping that will spill over into vocab study.


    to forget: 忘れる
    to remember: 覚える

    助けて下さい (not 助けてお願い)

    Don't they have any Japanese schools up there in Sendai?
  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 15, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    Ah damn it, I forgot my ない --> 覚えない I'm used to telling people 忘れた so I should haven't made such an easy mistake.icon_redface.gif

    The class times are all during the day and I work full-timeicon_sad.gif

    The previous year I seemed to have free time in my job so I could study between my lessons but this year I'm always busy planning lessons or making materials.


    I went with 助けってください first but why can't you use 助けってお願い since お願いします is often used as a "please do for me" or "favour me"?
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    Nov 15, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    You really have to jump in and converse in Japanese to learn and maintain it which also makes it less of a chore. Reading about how to learn doesn't give you the understanding of the subtleties of the language. Movies help to a degree as well. I prefer watching kids' anime because the language structure is simpler.
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    Nov 15, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    Hokenshi saidI went with 助けってください first but why can't you use 助けってお願い since お願いします is often used as a "please do for me" or "favour me"?


    In this case the appropriate way to say it is 助けってくださいますようお願いします or 助けって願います, both of which are overly polite for this situation. We're all friends here.... 助けってください is sufficient.

    The books that prep people for JPLT are really good... I recommend those. There is also a book series called "How to Read a Japanese Newspaper - 外国人のためん新聞の見方•読み方" that's published by KIT教材解放グループ. This book is awesome! I'm a big fan of it.... recommended it to a lot of my students. They thought it was great too.

    頑張ってください!ここから応援しますよ!
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    Nov 15, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
    Mmmmm I see a lot of potential for an anime sub team icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 15, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
    kanji and vocab is just hard work memorizing. there's really no easy way.

    Kanji flash cards works for some, and then reading texts on varied topics will broaden your vocab.

    if you're studying for the japanese language proficiency test 日本語能力試験 there's plenty tutorial material and excercise books depending on which level you're studying for. 
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    Nov 15, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
    Get a study partner to keep you accountable. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 15, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    get some japanese movies and watch it in japanese with subtitles. i do that all the time with the godzilla and gamera movies.
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    Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    If you are just studying for the JLPT buy the study books as they have all the information you need to study and pass.

    If you are looking to expand your Japanese skills regardless of the JLPT then I suggest a combination of everything else everyone is talking about. Read Manga, watch Anime, listen to Podcasts (Japanesepod101 is the best) download Japanese music. Even if you don't understand everything you will pick up new words and phrases, you never know when they will pop up in other situations. Even getting a language partner is a great idea.

    I have studied Japanese since highschool, lived there for 5 years, and now back in Vancouver it's always a challenge to keep it up.

    頑張れ!

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    Nov 15, 2010 8:27 PM GMT
    meet japanese people and practice with them. Japanese is one of my majors and i still sometimes need to go out and have a real world experience just to feel like I'm getting the complete package. Vocab is best absorbed from conversations with others.
  • Sk8Tex

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    Nov 15, 2010 8:32 PM GMT
    Ohayogozaimasu otomo-dachi! hajimemashite

    This flash game helped me tremendously when memorizing hiragana & katakana. I havent done much in Kanji so I cant really offer any advice there, but theres lot of resources on this site to help with memorization of the different alphabets.

    http://www.learn-hiragana-katakana.com/review-play-hiragana-game/
  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 15, 2010 9:52 PM GMT
    やっぱり。

    皆のいいアドバイス、ありがとう。

    今週からもっと勉強を始めて、日本語は難しい、でも頑張ります。icon_biggrin.gif

    The JLPT structure has changed from this year, although reading the past material can only be beneficial still, now they don't tell you what to study but tell you what you should be able to do instead. i.e.
    For N4 you should be able to read and reply to letters/emails/texts in Japanese, hold a basic conversation about everyday events and understand a native speaker on a variety of subjects as long as the speaker speaks slowly.

    I guess it being rather vague, and me already doing most of that on a daily basis, didn't really encourage me to sit down and study. icon_redface.gif
    I've tried to take stuff with me in the gym, I've seen one or two Japanese people studying English there, but when I workout I just wanna workout.

    Maybe I should ask the cute gym instructor to help me out.icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 15, 2010 10:06 PM GMT
    Hokenshi said

    今週からもっと勉強を始めて、日本語は難しい、でも頑張ります。icon_biggrin.gif



    正解:今週からもう一度勉強を始める。日本語が難しいけど、頑張ります。

    hee hee
  • dragonbunny

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    Nov 16, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    Hokenshi saidAh damn it, I forgot my ない --> 覚えない I'm used to telling people 忘れた so I should haven't made such an easy mistake.icon_redface.gif

    The class times are all during the day and I work full-timeicon_sad.gif

    The previous year I seemed to have free time in my job so I could study between my lessons but this year I'm always busy planning lessons or making materials.


    I went with 助けってください first but why can't you use 助けってお願い since お願いします is often used as a "please do for me" or "favour me"?


    お願いします is a set phrase, so you could use it this way:
    助けてください。お願いしあす!
    Adding the oneigai-shimasu makes your request emphatic, almost pleading.

    おぼえない vs 覚えられない:isn't it the latter you want? 'I can't memorize.'
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    Nov 16, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
    Hokenshi saidI love the idea of being more skilled in Japanese but I just can't seem to get into the right frame of mind when it comes to studying.
    So far I've done it in drips and drabs, I have an exam in less than three weeks and I suck at focusing my attention long term (which has kinda been an issue in my whole life, come to think about it).

    漢字の勉強はまま、でも単語がちょっと。。。意味が覚える、助けってお願い。


    Well I can't speak about Japanese but I find that I improve my Chinese by speaking to natives (well my parents lol) and practicing the characters a lot. It's very good also to watch some Japanese TV and follow the subtitles.

    As for short attention span, get away from the distractions TV, computer etc and do bits in a smaller time frame. Intense revision within a small amount of time is more effective than unfocused studying for a longer period of time.

    Are you still passionate about learning Japanese or are you being forced to?
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    Nov 16, 2010 1:08 AM GMT
    http://www.laits.utexas.edu/japanese/joshu/

    私はテキサスの大学で日本語を勉強しています。私はJOSHUをよく使えます。

    My university has a really useful japanese self help utility that you should check out.

    There are some useful flashcard activities and such that make it pretty easy to pay attention, most of it is just self quizzing stuff.
  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 16, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]dragonbunny

    お願いします is a set phrase, so you could use it this way:
    助けてください。お願いしあす!
    Adding the oneigai-shimasu makes your request emphatic, almost pleading.

    おぼえない vs 覚えられない:isn't it the latter you want? 'I can't memorize.'[/quote]

    Yeah I always think of お願いします as pleading so that's why I went for it the second time, I'm waaay behind in terms of where I should be when it comes to grammar.

    Like the 意味が覚えない I should have gone with を right?
  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 16, 2010 6:23 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Gbob said

    Are you still passionate about learning Japanese or are you being forced to? [/quote]

    I'm still passionate, living over here and facing the challenges of daily communications keeps me eager to improve, also kinda makes dating harder if you can't communicate much. At the same time the challenges which spur me on also hinder me somewhat, when I think about how much there is to learn and how even Japanese people struggle to get to grips with their own language it seems daunting.
    I got lazy when I was with an ex as he wasn't Japanese so I didn't have the same motivation as before I met him.

    But now I wanna get back into the swing of things. I think your advice of shorter intensive bursts will suit me better than sitting there for hours trying to force it all in.
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    Nov 16, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
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  • Hokenshi

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    Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM GMT
    Ok, so I actually managed to have some free time in work today and rather than just stare at the usual Japanese examples I tired to use new vocab and kaji to make really random sentences.

    To the guys who helped me out before, got any grammar advice?

    彼は見過ぎたから、死ぬすべきです。

    英語の発音悪い生徒を食べます。

    アパートの前に大きい船を作るから黄色い山を見ません。黄色い山が懐かしいです。

    俺は警察官の顔をなめた後、電車に乗る事ができました。

    Ta