When the Westboro Baptist Church comes to town...

  • MSUBioNerd

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    Nov 16, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    This week, the incredibly offensive WBC will be coming to my town to protest at a high school because the students there wrote letters to the WBC telling them that they were wrong and offensive. (For those who don't know, the WBC are the people who stage protests saying that soldiers are dying as God's punishment to the US for condoning homosexuality, etc.). There is going to be a counter protest. There are also people advocating no one showing up to either the protest or the counter protest, as all the WBC is seeking is publicity and it's better to simply not respond. On the one hand, I think this is a compelling point; on the other, I worry that high school students who see the WBC protesting and no one demonstrating against them might mistaken silence for assent, and feel it would be best for there to be at least a small contingent with signs like "Love is Not a Sin" or the like. Then again, I worry that the counter protest may well devolve into a screaming match across the street.

    So, opinion time: is it better for me to go to the counter protest, or go to the event being staged a few blocks away where they will be collecting donations for groups such as the Human Rights Campaign and making them in the name of the WBC? Why?
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    Nov 16, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    Nothing will be gained from protesting in front of them. Go to the alternative rally at a separate location. They (WBC) want the attention and a group to yell at. Luckily, when the old ring leader dies, I think the church will disband.
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    Nov 16, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
    maluminse said Luckily, when the old ring leader dies, I think the church will disband.
    Normally I wouldn't wish death on anyone, but this is one case that makes me want to rethink that.
    I still can't say I "wish" death on him, but I certainly wouldn't lose sleep if it happened.
  • tazzari

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    Nov 16, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    Check out today's Advocate.com:

    "When members of the Westboro Baptist Church finished protesting the funeral of a fallen Army sergeant Saturday, they returned to their car only to find their tires slashed.

    "The protesters were unable to find anyone in McAlester, Okla., where the protest took place, who would repair the front and back passenger-side tires that were damaged, according to the Tulsa World. Eventually, a truck from AAA was called to tow the van to a nearby Walmart for repairs.

    "An estimated crowd of 1,000 counterprotestersmet the small group from Westboro, who were confronted by chants of "USA, USA" and motorcyclists revving engines to drown out the sound of the Westboro protesters."

  • Webster666

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    Nov 16, 2010 5:31 AM GMT
    I like the counter-protests where everybody carries funny signs.


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    Nov 16, 2010 5:34 AM GMT
    WBC are a group of people who thrive and love a good fight. Examples of this are shown in the interview below.




    Clearly taking them on in a shouting match isn't the best option but a silent protest might say a lot more. With an angry group such as WBC a more creative approach to a protest may speak louder than their words in regards to what they call a sinful nation.
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    Nov 16, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    EVERY MINUTE COUNTS

    http://www.autbar.com/fred_phelps_press_release.htm

    Monday, February 19th, 2001

    ANN ARBOR, MI - When the Reverend Fred Phelps came to town, the gay community here decided not to get mad. They decided to get rich.

    Among the Ann Arbor locales the Kansas-based Phelps and his band elected to picket was the /aut/ BAR, a gay-owned restaurant, bar and community gathering place. When co-owner Keith Orr heard that his establishment was being targeted, he wanted to respond constructively. He and his partner, Martin Contreras, did not want to promote a counter-demonstration, feeling that Phelps gains the most attention - and hence is most effective - when he provokes anger and outrage from his opponents. Rather, Orr decided to use his Phelps visit to the community’s advantage.

    Phelps’s plans to picket the bar came to light only two days prior to his scheduled February 17, 2001 demonstration. With little time, Orr used the Internet to organize a unique fundraising scheme. In an email message to customers, supporters, and friends, he proposed that people pledge money to the Washtenaw Rainbow Action Project (WRAP), a local gay advocacy group and community center, for every minute that Phelps picketed the bar. In this way, Orr explained, the longer Phelps stayed to spew hate, the more money he would raise for WRAP. He and Contreras kicked off the drive by pledging $1 per minute.

    Contreras explained why he felt it was important to organize a response to Phelps. “When I was first coming out fifteen years ago people told me, ‘You’ve got to watch out for this so-called reverend from Kansas named Phelps. He’s out to wage war against the gay community.’ He had been showing up at funerals of people who had died of AIDS with signs claiming that gay people would burn in hell. At the time he was just a blip on the radar screen. But when he protested at Matthew Shepherd’s funeral he became a national menace.”

    At the same time, Orr continued, “I didn’t want to give Phelps what he wanted,” meaning a counter-demonstration. “But just ignoring him seemed wrong.”

    Only two minutes after Orr sent out his email message pledges began to pour in, not only from Ann Arbor, but from as far away as New Hampshire, Texas and California. The pledge drive gained such momentum that by the day of Phelps’s demonstration - only 48 hours after Orr and Contreras kicked off the drive - friends and supporters of Ann Arbor’s gay community had promised to contribute a total of $107 for every minute Phelps picketed the /aut/ BAR.

    “When I began the pledge drive I wasn’t necessarily expecting anything big,” Orr said. “I just wanted to give people an opportunity to turn Phelps’s message of hate into something positive for our community.” Even so, the size and speed of the response surprised him. “Normally a fundraising event of this magnitude takes months of planning and a lot of up-front costs. In 48 hours we raised over $6000 without spending a dime. I was astonished.”

    Pledges arrived in diverse amounts and from a wide range of sources. They varied in amount from as little as 10 cents per minute to as much as 5 dollars per minute. “The great thing about this kind of fundraiser is that no one is excluded. People can participate at any economic level,” said Orr. The range of contributors included neighboring business owners, a high school Gay/Straight Alliance and individual members of the Ann Arbor police force.

    On February 17, the day of the protest, Phelps’s band numbered only four adults and two small children. Instead of confronting the hate-mongerers and giving them the attention they craved, over one hundred community members and supporters gathered in the bar on a Saturday afternoon, celebrating while they counted the minutes that Phelps’s cronies stood outside raising money for Ann Arbor’s gay community.

    That afternoon WRAP Board member Linda Lombardini received one notable pledge. “A father and his young son were driving past the bar and saw the protestors out front,” she explained. “The son asked his father who they were and what they were doing there. The father stopped the car and brought his son into the restaurant to demonstrate to him that gay people are no different from anyone else. When he realized that we were holding a fundraiser he handed his son a ten-dollar bill to give to me.”

    “We view this as a form of economic containment,” Orr said. “Phelps is free to spread his message, however perverse we find it, wherever he wants. The First Amendment protects his right to do that. But we turned what could have been a negative into a positive. This has been an incredible community-building experience for us.

    “We hope that cities and towns across the country will do this everywhere he goes. I get a charge thinking that every time he hits the road he will help us build our communities and fund our organizations.”

  • rnch

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    Nov 16, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    maluminse said Luckily, when the old ring leader dies, I think the church will disband.
    Normally I wouldn't wish death on anyone, but this is one case that makes me want to rethink that.
    I still can't say I "wish" death on him, but I certainly wouldn't lose sleep if it happened.


    i'll sleep even better the night i read his obit.
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
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    Nov 16, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    When they came to Ottawa a bunch of people donned angel wings and surrounded them spreading their wings and totally obscuring the WBC from cameras. We had a designated spokesman for all the cameras and media to speak to - no one from wbc got to be seen or heard at all. the "angels" cordoned them off s onlookers could only sea this white wall of spread wings woith wbc people tryiong to be seen over them. icon_lol.gif

    They left really annoyed. Canada Customs had seized all their leaflets at the border as "hate literature" so they had nothing even to hand out.


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    Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    Gotta love the WBC! lol Fred Phelps is the best:

  • rnch

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    Nov 16, 2010 4:04 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidGotta love the WBC! lol Fred Phelps is the best:



    or his worst......
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 16, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    Ricovelas saidWBC are a group of people who thrive and love a good fight. Examples of this are shown in the interview below.




    Clearly taking them on in a shouting match isn't the best option but a silent protest might say a lot more. With an angry group such as WBC a more creative approach to a protest may speak louder than their words in regards to what they call a sinful nation.




    There are no words that could possibly express the contempt I feel for that awful woman and those horrendous people and their acts against military families.
  • Webster666

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    Nov 16, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    There are no words that could possibly express the contempt I feel for that awful woman and those horrendous people and their acts against military families.

    Especially the military families---the fixation on them is puzzling until you realize that for a certain type of psycho, being generally hated is a true sign that you must be a prophet. And being hated by gays only involves 5% of the population. But focusing on our troops' families----ah, now you can be hated by everyone.

    There's a sick logic to it.




    BTW, our Federal government didn't do a damn thing to rein in the Phelps cult when they were protesting at GAY funerals. It was only when they showed up at MILITARY funerals that our government took action to keep them a good distance away from the friends and family of the deceased.
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    Nov 16, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    U know what would be a great way to drive them away....since they bring their kids and wives to these protests.Everyone should just strip buck ass naked and scream at them they would run away fast lol.
  • runforyourlif...

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    Nov 16, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101113_11_0_McALES66946

    I have never posted a link on here before, so i hope this doesn't show up all wonky... i'm not so clever sometimes.

    This happened to the WBC people just a few days ago here in Oklahoma... thought it was quite brilliant!
  • OklahomaBreak...

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    Nov 16, 2010 11:01 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidU know what would be a great way to drive them away....since they bring their kids and wives to these protests.Everyone should just strip buck ass naked and scream at them they would run away fast lol.


    I wouldn't suggest that. They are all lawyers, that's how they make money by suing the people who assault or batter them. The best counterprotests I have seen are when people show the WBC's sins back to them. Like the daughters son born outside of wedlock.




    About 2:45 minutes in is where Keith Allen ruffles their feathers with the truth of Shirley's own indiscretions.

  • Webster666

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    Nov 18, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
    runforyourlife saidhttp://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101113_11_0_McALES66946

    I have never posted a link on here before, so i hope this doesn't show up all wonky... i'm not so clever sometimes.

    This happened to the WBC people just a few days ago here in Oklahoma... thought it was quite brilliant!





    You did just fine.
    See, you're smarter than you think.


    I read about this.
    Funny stuff.
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    Nov 18, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    runforyourlife saidhttp://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101113_11_0_McALES66946

    I have never posted a link on here before, so i hope this doesn't show up all wonky... i'm not so clever sometimes.

    This happened to the WBC people just a few days ago here in Oklahoma... thought it was quite brilliant!


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    Nov 18, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    I can't wait to get a motorcycle and join the patriot guard just to countertroll these idiots.
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    Nov 18, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    How about meeting them with snow makers !!! maybe 4 going at a time, one from the south, one from the north, one from the east and one from the west. That's not an assult, and it would make their "sins white as snow" Its in the bible you know !!! LOL !!! Oh !!! I forgot, cover their get away car with snow too. !!! on a more serious not theugh, I like the idea of doing some kind of obvious donation rally based on the WBC's time spent at each location and keep posting the amounts of money donated to anti WBC causes while they are there. Flat tires at each occassion with no witnesses would be good too.
  • Vaughn

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    Nov 18, 2010 4:34 AM GMT
    3 of their preachers came to UofA in the mall and people were yelling at them and closing in around them. I was hoping to see blood. People wanted to burn Bibles, the po po said they could but the school admin said they couldn't light fires on campus except for smoking or in a lab. I really wanted to see blood. icon_twisted.gif
  • ramblerman

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    Nov 18, 2010 5:35 AM GMT
    http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/81828657.html
    link is to story with video from 1-15-2010

    Westboro church was going to show up in Cedar Rapids,Ia. Never did, Sure they knew they were going to be way out numbered.
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    Nov 18, 2010 5:49 AM GMT
    Please do not link Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church to Christians in general. They are thoroughly repudiated by all thinking Christians. My church would have nothing to do with him. We try to be known for what we are FOR, and not what we are against.

    If you are not a personal believer, you may not understand but that is OK. I just need to say it.
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    Nov 18, 2010 5:50 AM GMT
    Play Ke$ha's "Dinosaur" for old Freddie icon_smile.gif