Sen. Levin admits he may remove DADT from Defense Authorization

  • metta

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    Nov 17, 2010 12:38 AM GMT
    Sen. Levin admits he may remove DADT from Defense Authorization

    http://gay.americablog.com/2010/11/sen-levin-admits-he-may-remove-dadt.html

    Tell Levin Not To Remove DADT.....They may be just 2 pages out of 900 to him. But to us, we are talking about bringing integrity and honest back to the military.

    http://levin.senate.gov/contact/
  • metta

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    Nov 17, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    I have also contacted my Senator to ask her to contact Senator Levin.



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    Dear Honorable Senator Barbara Boxer,

    Congratulations on winning the most recent election. I enjoy voting for you each time.

    I would like to ask that you please consider contacting Senator Levin and asking him to not remove the DADT repeal section from the Defense Authorization bill.

    To him they may be just 2 pages, but to many others those 2 pages mean bringing back the integrity and honesty of our military.

    Sen. Levin admits he may remove DADT from Defense Authorization
    http://gay.americablog.com/2010/11/sen-levin-admits-he-may-remove-dadt.html

    Jeff Sheng Photo Exhibit on DADT:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSKjCgbjbw4

    Thank you in advance for considering my request.



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    Nov 17, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    If the Democrats would just stand their ground for once instead of turning into pussies at the first sign of opposition the damn thing would pass.
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    Nov 17, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    some democrats are actually conservative in nature, the DNC rather accept them than having a republican in office... so yeah.
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    Nov 17, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    The coward. Let him burn.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Nov 17, 2010 3:00 AM GMT
    another spineless politician... icon_neutral.gif
  • metta

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    Nov 17, 2010 4:04 AM GMT
    jprichva saidI've known the Levins----Carl and his brother Sander (who in the House of Representatives)----since I was a kid. They're friends of my parents. And I have to say that, even as I've watched Carl become steadily more conservative over the years, this really shocks me.


    Call him.....it ain't over till it's over...
  • Webster666

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    Nov 17, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Posiden saidIf the Democrats would just stand their ground for once instead of turning into pussies at the first sign of opposition the damn thing would pass.




    I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, and I agree that DADT should be left in the Defense legislation.

    But, it will never pass because Grandpa McCain ("I'm in favor of whatever the military decides about DADT") will filibuster his saggy ass off and opt to kill the legislation and not fund the wars rather than give gay people equal rights.

    Aren't we lucky that the pathetic old fool isn't sitting in the Oval Office.
  • metta

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    Nov 18, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
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    During this Congressional Lame Duck session, the National Defense Authorization Act will be passed in the Senate. Included in this act is supposed to be the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, but there are many conflicting reports about whether or not this will happen, or who will vote which way. We can take responsibility for our own equality by contacting the senators listed below, those who are leaning to yes, those who are undecided and even those leaning against the repeal.

    The information about how these senators might vote is from ActOnPrinciples whip count, the suggested calls from Alexander Nicholson Executive Director Servicemembers United video, and the various and sundry reports on the internet, including the latest *have-to-call* list from Servicemembers Legal Defense Network(SLDN). Courage Campaign also has a petition they will be sending to Senators McCain and McConnell, so links to those senators who have vowed to vote against equality, are included here because they need to hear from us, too. American Progress Action Center (APAC) reports key senators who said they want to see the final report from the Joint Chiefs of Staff before they vote.

    This list includes telephone numbers, fax numbers (download a cellphone fax app), email forms for each senator, and where available Facebook and Twitter, giving us an opportunity to demand that all senators uphold the constitutional rights of every man and women serving with honor and courage in the military today. Gay and lesbian Americans have had to serve in silence for 234 years, they have waited too long.
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 18, 2010 4:54 PM GMT
    Could someone explain to me why DADT has to be tied to the Defense Authorization Bill? Why can't it just be voted on it's own and not tied to anything? Seems to me like it is an important enough issue that it warrants a stand alone vote -- not tied to any other bills.
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    Nov 18, 2010 5:26 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidCould someone explain to me why DADT has to be tied to the Defense Authorization Bill? Why can't it just be voted on it's own and not tied to anything? Seems to me like it is an important enough issue that it warrants a stand alone vote -- not tied to any other bills.


    It's a parliamentary tactic to ensure that something will get passed by sheer necessity of the broader legislation. In effect you force your opponents to vote for something because they want the broader legislation, in this case the DA Bill, to be passed. It's a common tactic used in Congress to get things passed that would otherwise not get passed on their own. Ironically enough, John McCain has used this tactic a lot in the past.
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:05 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREDear Honorable Senator Barbara Boxer,

    Congratulations on winning the most recent election. I enjoy voting for you each time.
    ---------------Scary
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:13 PM GMT
    RYAN1000 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidCould someone explain to me why DADT has to be tied to the Defense Authorization Bill? Why can't it just be voted on it's own and not tied to anything? Seems to me like it is an important enough issue that it warrants a stand alone vote -- not tied to any other bills.


    It's a parliamentary tactic to ensure that something will get passed by sheer necessity of the broader legislation. In effect you force your opponents to vote for something because they want the broader legislation, in this case the DA Bill, to be passed. It's a common tactic used in Congress to get things passed that would otherwise not get passed on their own. Ironically enough, John McCain has used this tactic a lot in the past.


    Thank you CuriousJockAZ for knowing what I wanted to ask and RYAN1000 for the answer. I never understood why it was in that damn bill to begin with. Just take it out of that damn bill so our spineless politicians can finally vote yes or no on it! Goodness.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 18, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    cmhoh1985 said
    Thank you CuriousJockAZ for knowing what I wanted to ask and RYAN1000 for the answer. I never understood why it was in that damn bill to begin with. Just take it out of that damn bill so our spineless politicians can finally vote yes or no on it! Goodness.



    I agree!! It's so crazy that it needs to be so difficult. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Just put DADT up for a VOTE -- let the cards fall where they may -- and be done with it. At least that way we would know exactly WHO voted NO, and they would have no excuses as to why other than their own bias and/or bigotry
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    cmhoh1985 said
    RYAN1000 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidCould someone explain to me why DADT has to be tied to the Defense Authorization Bill? Why can't it just be voted on it's own and not tied to anything? Seems to me like it is an important enough issue that it warrants a stand alone vote -- not tied to any other bills.


    It's a parliamentary tactic to ensure that something will get passed by sheer necessity of the broader legislation. In effect you force your opponents to vote for something because they want the broader legislation, in this case the DA Bill, to be passed. It's a common tactic used in Congress to get things passed that would otherwise not get passed on their own. Ironically enough, John McCain has used this tactic a lot in the past.


    Thank you CuriousJockAZ for knowing what I wanted to ask and RYAN1000 for the answer. I never understood why it was in that damn bill to begin with. Just take it out of that damn bill so our spineless politicians can finally vote yes or no on it! Goodness.


    You're welcome. I suppose I could have contextualized the attachment process better, but that is it in a nutshell. The Democrats attached DADT repeal to the annual Defense Authorization Act because it is what authorizes $$$ for the Defense Dept every year. Without it, the Pentagon can't function without the $$$.

    It's a logical attachment considering DADT is a military issue, but it's very clever indeed. You put the Republicans between a rock and a hard place. They want to spend billions on the Defense Dept., but don't want to repeal DADT. That is why McCain has been stonewalling the legislation. He only looks like a jackass because he has done the same thing in the past. The Democrats need to hold firm, and the Republicans in the Senate will fall like dominoes. They are "yes boys" for the Defense Dept.
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    cmhoh1985 said
    Thank you CuriousJockAZ for knowing what I wanted to ask and RYAN1000 for the answer. I never understood why it was in that damn bill to begin with. Just take it out of that damn bill so our spineless politicians can finally vote yes or no on it! Goodness.



    I agree!! It's so crazy that it needs to be so difficult. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Just put DADT up for a VOTE -- let the cards fall where they may -- and be done with it. At least that way we would know exactly WHO voted NO, and they would have no excuses as to why other than their own bias and/or bigotry


    Exactly! To me it seems like the argument to get rid of it has been nothing but a lot of hot air and broken promises. Maybe this could be made into a movie, you know? Picture it: 'The Miracle on Capitol Hill' featuring an all-star cast of your favorite hot-air spewing politicians. Thrills! Chills! Lies! Greed! Broken Promises! Can these scum suckers be transformed by the power of wisdom, honesty, humility, and truth! Come see for yourself!
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:35 PM GMT
    Posiden saidIf the Democrats would just stand their ground for once instead of turning into pussies at the first sign of opposition the damn thing would pass.


    or at least they would have integrity.
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    Nov 18, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
    RYAN1000 said
    cmhoh1985 said
    RYAN1000 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidCould someone explain to me why DADT has to be tied to the Defense Authorization Bill? Why can't it just be voted on it's own and not tied to anything? Seems to me like it is an important enough issue that it warrants a stand alone vote -- not tied to any other bills.


    It's a parliamentary tactic to ensure that something will get passed by sheer necessity of the broader legislation. In effect you force your opponents to vote for something because they want the broader legislation, in this case the DA Bill, to be passed. It's a common tactic used in Congress to get things passed that would otherwise not get passed on their own. Ironically enough, John McCain has used this tactic a lot in the past.


    Thank you CuriousJockAZ for knowing what I wanted to ask and RYAN1000 for the answer. I never understood why it was in that damn bill to begin with. Just take it out of that damn bill so our spineless politicians can finally vote yes or no on it! Goodness.


    You're welcome. I suppose I could have contextualized the attachment process better, but that is it in a nutshell. The Democrats attached DADT repeal to the annual Defense Authorization Act because it is what authorizes $$$ for the Defense Dept every year. Without it, the Pentagon can't function without the $$$.

    It's a logical attachment considering DADT is a military issue, but it's very clever indeed. You put the Republicans between a rock and a hard place. They want to spend billions on the Defense Dept., but don't want to repeal DADT. That is why McCain has been stonewalling the legislation. He only looks like a jackass because he has done the same thing in the past. The Democrats need to hold firm, and the Republicans in the Senate will fall like dominoes. They are "yes boys" for the Defense Dept.


    That makes sense as well.

    Don't bother to vote on DADT but authorizing billions more for war is a no-brainier! Yeesh!!! Heaven forbid we let our 'holy' military go without money! Both parties are beyond incompetent.
  • metta

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    Nov 18, 2010 7:50 PM GMT

    UPDATE - Senate Majority Leader and White House reaffirm commitment to DADT repeal in defense bill this year

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1240660
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    Nov 18, 2010 8:10 PM GMT
    The "Don't Ask Don't Tell Repeal Bill" has a fine ring to it. This pernicious blot on your country's history deserves an auspicious send off.
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    Nov 18, 2010 8:31 PM GMT
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    metta8 said
    UPDATE - Senate Majority Leader and White House reaffirm commitment to DADT repeal in defense bill this year

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1240660




    Senate Majority Leader and White House reaffirm commitment to DADT repeal in defense bill this year


    Why can't Harry Reid just put DADT up for a vote on it's own?

    Votes take like, what, 20 or 30 minutes in the Senate. Surely he can schedule some time for a little debate and then a vote.



    Precisely! What the hell is so difficult about this issue? They fumble with this but with the bailouts, war, and invasions of privacy it's almost a no-brainier yes. Go figure! icon_rolleyes.gif