"My advice to the gay community is SHUT UP, just don’t talk about it." - Oregon State Senator Gary George

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    Mar 14, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    Excerpts from an interview with an Oregon State Senator spearheading an effort to repeal the states newly enacted anti-discrimination law. Just some reading material for your free time . . .
    Source: http://www.justout.com/pt/blog/default.aspx?id=860&t=Just-Out-exclusive-Explosive-interview
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    Just Out exclusive: Explosive interview with State Senator Gary George (R-McMinnville)

    State senator Gary George’s advice to the gay community? “Shut up!”

    In his first media interview since coming forward as co-sponsor of the initiative to repeal the recently enacted Oregon Equality Act – an anti-discrimination law for sexual minorities – George railed against gay activists and affirmative action, and warned that if gays continued to be “oppressive toward straights,” they were in danger of “violent backlash.”

    The full interview will appear in the March 21 issue of Just Out, but excerpts are included below.


    Just Out: Why are you sponsoring this repeal initiative?
    State senator Gary George: I’ve had people approach me for special rights for homosexuals and I don’t believe anyone should have special rights. I’ve had members of the gay community come in and ask and I’ll say I’m sorry I don’t give anyone special rights.


    Just Out: What sort of special rights do you feel that the Oregon Equality Act offers?
    George: First off, I thought that was a fabrication of definition, in the sense that you gave special rights, it picks out another group, a lifestyle group, and says hmm, you have all these protections. The main thing that bothered us with the whole bill was the fact that here we go again, adding one more class of people that need to have special rights.


    Just Out: Can you give an example?
    George: If I discriminate in favor of you it automatically requires I discriminate against someone else. I was hoping with your generation we can stop calling each other ‘asian-american,' or 'latino-american...' There’s one talk show host, and he has really severe hard feelings against affirmative action. Because of the race that he is, I believe he’s Italian, he was discriminated against because he’s not black. I have dear dear friends in the legislature who are black but sometimes I really get tired of hearing about their color.


    Just Out: What if an employee is fired because of his/her sexual orientation or gender identity? Isn't the Oregon Equality Act in place to guard against such discrimination?
    George: As an employer, I don’t wanna hear about it. This workplace is for work purposes. My advice to the gay community is SHUT UP, just don’t talk about it. If you walk around talking about what you do in the bedroom, you should be on the pervert channel.


    Just Out: What is your reaction to the recent murders of out gay youth in Florida and California?
    George: Obviously murder is murder, there’s no excuse for that. Here’s what I’m saying, I think we’re seeing a backlash, in other words if you push me too hard don’t be surprised if I react. Gays will tend to react violently if people are oppressive toward them. If gays are oppressive toward straights, then you’ll see a violent backlash. You’re going to have a point where these groups develop and say I’m tired of these special privileges.


    Just Out: Are you suggesting that gays, by virtue of being out and open, are inciting these types of violent reactions?
    George: You have to recognize for every action there’s a reaction…we’re obviously not gonna tolerate anyone who beats up any other person.

    If you do feel like you’ve been discriminated against as a gay, you have hard feelings. I remember when I was heavy and wore glasses as a child and I was picked on. We all know the gay person that nobody notices – I think that is where we need to head. Everybody knows where the line is, so when I see I’m offending someone, I have to back away from that. We have to adjust our behavior so as to not be offensive. If you push anyone too hard, they will react.

    My plea to the gay community would be, hey, mature. We have brilliant, brilliant people within the gay community.


    Just Out: Who are some of those brilliant gay people?
    George: [Senator George laughs] We know a bunch of them, they’re some of the brightest and wealthiest people in the country.


    Just Out: What is your relationship with Marylin Shannon?
    George: I’ve known Marylin for years… she was an encourager of my campaign. We have common friends who said you know what, something needs to be done about this, and it needs to be aired in public. Marylin has handled campaigns since she’s been out of legislature, [and] we respect her abilities.


    Just Out: What do you think is the likelihood of these repeal initiatives to pass?
    George: We have no idea. For the last five years there’s been a systematic assault on the r
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:51 AM GMT
    oh blah blah blah... more of the same... people who are so stupid they don't even know what they don't know...

    i want more manamana on this site, so here it is:

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    Mar 14, 2008 7:47 AM GMT
    "oppressive toward straights"

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    Mar 14, 2008 5:07 PM GMT
    Are people seriously REALLY this lame?!?!?!? OMG!!!
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:12 PM GMT
    He probably feels the same way towards blacks, hispanics, women, and any other minority. For whatever reason it's deemed acceptable to voice his hate views when it deals with gays though.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
    I'm not oppressive towards straights. Just stupid people. Really, I feel I'd be doing them a favor by putting them out of their misery. It's GOT to hurt to be this stupid.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:15 PM GMT
    Just when you thought you'd seen and heard it all.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:35 PM GMT
    Shut up? No, I won't shut up, but if I ever meet you in person, I'll show you how hard I can push you sick sonofabitch. Man needs some sense beaten into him because it ain't getting there from books.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    npdxpr said
    Just Out: What if an employee is fired because of his/her sexual orientation or gender identity? Isn't the Oregon Equality Act in place to guard against such discrimination?
    George: As an employer, I don’t wanna hear about it. This workplace is for work purposes. My advice to the gay community is SHUT UP, just don’t talk about it. If you walk around talking about what you do in the bedroom, you should be on the pervert channel.





    Does anyone know what number the Pervert channel is on Comcast?
    Sounds like something right up my alley.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    Truthfully he is a Senator in my state and I have NEVER heard of him. He actually represents the area where I am going to school and am appalled at his comments. I think I may forward this to the media here and try to get them to pick this up. There has been nothing said and it needs to be out there, so these people will no longer be running our government.
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    Mar 14, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
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    Does anyone know what number the Pervert channel is on Comcast?
    Sounds like something right up my alley.


    I thought he was talking about serious pornography....the FOOD channel.

    Think about it: visual stimuli that make your body react by becoming excited, drooling, etc...

    doesn't this describe watching Paula Deen?
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    Mar 14, 2008 6:47 PM GMT
    Sounds like Senator George would also support the indefinite continuation of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Being gay is not just about one's sexual proclivities; rather, it is a major determinant WRT one's overall identity. Just like being male vs. female, disabled vs. able-bodied, one race vs. another, etc. -- each of these has an impact on one's overall makeup. To suggest that shutting up and hiding one's gayness is the solution to gay discrimination is just absurd. To imply that being out is an invitation for violent attack is simply reprehensible.
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    Mar 14, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
    I think I just threw up in my mouth....
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    Mar 14, 2008 7:39 PM GMT
    I wish the reporter had asked him to specify which other groups of people receive "special rights," since George's comment, we're "adding one more class of people that need to have special rights," suggests that we already have others. Have there been violent backlashes against those groups because of their "special rights"? I think the reporter missed a golden opportunity to make his position fall apart.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    George: If I discriminate in favor of you it automatically requires I discriminate against someone else. I was hoping with your generation we can stop calling each other ‘asian-american,' or 'latino-american...' There’s one talk show host, and he has really severe hard feelings against affirmative action. Because of the race that he is, I believe he’s Italian, he was discriminated against because he’s not black. I have dear dear friends in the legislature who are black but sometimes I really get tired of hearing about their color.


    He doesn't bring his point across very well but what he said is pretty commendable. Well SOME of what he said.....

    Instead of a nation of all American's we have a nation of Latino americans, and asian americans, etc.... He doesn't support breaking down people into classes and group and offering special protections.

    There exists discrimination against people because they are gay. It happens and its unfortunate. But to turn us into "victims" in need of special protection? No, I don't agree with special protections, affirmative action, or other measures to break down people even further.

    Deciding that we need special protections in the law basically degrades us into being less than everyone else.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:07 PM GMT
    I forgot what it's like to be straight, and what it's like to "expected" to be homophobic... but that was my crazy family in my weird hometown in the b.f.e. But people are different everywhere you go. It's not certain that the experience the Governor of Cold, Rain and Snowcapped Mountains is the same experience everyone has. But at the same time I think about my perspective on racism. Being that anyone can be racist against any race of people. With that, I can justly assume in my own mind, that after society has begun to accept homosexuals more and more; that after a point our chief complaints would start to get old, worn out, and maybe someday[; hopefully outdated]; because if we want to experience equality like everyone else we need to be able to take criticism from outside sources. Afterall, I still have to hear from people who grew up in 80's and 90's talking about how they're tired of hearing about the suffering of the black. It as old as the Real World episode about the issue, but I personally give everyone an open ear, and hear them, dispite how new this info may sound to them, and not to me.

    As for special rights, coming from the richer gays, well that's easy to answer. No! We shouldn't be treated special just cause we're gay. We should be treated equally. Suffer and benefit the same. And just cause one our "peers" happens to be rich and used to having his rear wiped by people of all colors from around the world doesn't make it any more Right.

    I'm sure this is the same kind of guy who thinks he should be exempt from taxes, and should be able to kill any animal close to extinction, and wear fur when it's in fashion. Honestly, gay or not, that bull. makes me sick to my stomach. I WISH I could both try to convince those people their wrong about their ways so's to humble them; and kick their ass when they don't "get it". But that would means lowering myself to their level, and I don't need that bull anymore than I need them pulling the strings of politicians. Did I mention it's all Bull?

    So the senator isn't comply crazy, but I'm sure a lot more gays would listen if he was either gay and/or minority and/or a woman; which is sad unto itself.

    And no, I don't think I'm better than anyone else. I'm just glad that I'm better than what I used to be once upon a gay ol' time.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:10 PM GMT
    Well Trance23 if you ever get fired from a job because you are gay then I guess you are alright with that? Because without "special" protection that is exactly what could happen, and you would not have any recourse. I remember the days in Canada where you could freely discriminate against a gay or lesbian person.

    The reason why these laws are needed is because there is a significant number of people in society who would discriminate solely based on a person being gay, or catholic, or a moslem, or black, etc..

    If people are fair-minded there are no problems, unfortunately a lot of people are not.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    I'm an Oregonian and have heard of this guy - although have never considered him to be a threat to gay rights. His views and those of his co-horts are extreme and even many conservatives don't support them.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    Jbedwards -

    Then the answer is to take your case to the courts.

    Losing your job over orientation likely does occur. But the answer isn't to just provide special protections. Just getting your job back isn't going to change the fact someone dislikes you because your gay. Getting people to accept gays is a long road starting with education and a good upbringing. It isn't going to happen overnight. And further what good will keeping your job do if its still a hostile workplace.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:22 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidJbedwards -

    Then the answer is to take your case to the courts.

    Losing your job over orientation likely does occur. But the answer isn't to just provide special protections. Just getting your job back isn't going to change the fact someone dislikes you because your gay. Getting people to accept gays is a long road starting with education and a good upbringing. It isn't going to happen overnight. And further what good will keeping your job do if its still a hostile workplace.


    Why should a gay person have to go through the expense, stress and hassles of taking it to court. If there are no anti-discrimination laws what recourse do you have in the courts. Canada has gone through this and trust me without the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Constitution we would be where the USA is now, gays being treated like second-class citizens.

    I agree changing attitudes are not going to happen overnight, but to prevent somebody from making a living is not only immoral, it is also bad for the economy. And how is a hostile environment ever going to change if people that are different are excluded? Should baseball have kept Jackie Robinson out of the Brooklyn Dodgers lineup because of the hostility he was going to face? Should he have had to go through the courts? I wish people would explain to me what the big deal is about tightening up anti-discrimination laws. Don't discriminate then there will not be any issue! Keep your bigotry at home it does not belong in the workplace.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:30 PM GMT
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    Why should a gay person have to go through the expense, stress and hassles of taking it to court. If there are no anti-discrimination laws what recourse do you have in the courts. Canada has gone through this and trust me without the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Constitution we would be where the USA is now, gays being treated like second-class citizens.


    Gay's are hardly treated like second class citizens everywhere.

    Imagine for a moment you are a white male applying to a hair salon where all the employees are black females. You don't get the job. Are you being discriminated against because your white? Should we now add whites to the list of groups needing special protection because they could potentially be discriminated against?

    You see where the discrimination argument fails? There will always be hatred based of race/gender/orientation but now you have to divide people into groups, some of which apparently are not equal and are in need of special protections.

    All being said I'm not gonna argue this point any further. This isn't likely the best place to do so. I'm not against anti discrimination laws per say. But there should be no need for separate laws targeting specific groups as if they are less than deserving compared to others.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:38 PM GMT
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    Gay's are hardly treated like second class citizens everywhere.

    Imagine for a moment you are a white male applying to a hair salon where all the employees are black females. You don't get the job. Are you being discriminated against because your white? Should we now add whites to the list of groups needing special protection because they could potentially be discriminated against?

    You see where the discrimination argument fails? There will always be hatred based of race/gender/orientation but now you have to divide people into groups, some of which apparently are not equal and are in need of special protections.



    They already are. You know, that whole "race or color" thing. If they're discriminated against because they're white, they have just as much right and access to the law to reconcile their grievance.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:47 PM GMT
    You see where the discrimination argument fails? There will always be hatred based of race/gender/orientation but now you have to divide people into groups, some of which apparently are not equal and are in need of special protections

    Yes we have to divide people into groups because they are discriminated based on the group they belong to. In the example you gave, the white person could claim discrimination because of race in Canada. When it comes to applying for a job you can discriminate only based on their qualifications, not on race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, marital status, disability, etc..

    You might find it offensive that Americans are being divided into groups. You are all Americans right? But who defines what an American is? Traditionally it has been white anglo-saxon protestant males, who cannot seem to understand that they are no longer captains of the ship, not everybody has the same cultural traditions as they do, and not everybody views the world like they do. In a civilized society like the USA that values individuality, should there not be tolerance for people of different races, sexual orientation, gender, or religious belief? I can understand Iran, Syria or Egypt balking at anti-discrimination laws against gays, but the USA?

    I agree that not all gay people are treated as second-class citizens, but the fact is no gay person in a civilized society should be treated as a second class citizen period.

    I guess your age is partly why you are so laissez-faire about this issue compared to older gay people, because you have not faced discrimination personally, I don't know.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:50 PM GMT
    Then all you need is a standard anti discrimination law giving everyone equal protection. No need for special laws that just break people into groups.

    If your still fired under a standard law then take it to the courts to set the precedence for that law to apply to gays.

    And IMO if your concerned over expense and "gays shouldn't have to go to lengths" thats kinda insulting to every woman and black person who DID have to go through expense and lengths to get themselves recognized as just as deserving as anyone.

    And please don't start with the "at your age" thing. Personally I think age just makes people more jaded. Change is a hard thing to come by, but the answer shouldn't be to just demand very pro liberal leaders who will pass sweeping laws to "fix" everything according to our view.
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    Mar 14, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidImagine for a moment you are a white male applying to a hair salon where all the employees are black females. You don't get the job. Are you being discriminated against because your white? Should we now add whites to the list of groups needing special protection...


    You're missing exactly what discrimination is. Discrimination is when a person chooses to ignore a job applicant, for example, because of his or her ethnicity, even though that ethnicity has nothing to do with job performance.

    So, if you are casting a movie on the life of Martin Luther King, it is not discrimination to only interview or audition black actors. However, if you are hiring a person to be a professor of, say, meteorology, the issue is only the meteorological background of the applicants, not whether he or she is gay, straight, black, white whatever.

    It is also discrimination not to hire a person based upon ethnicity because of racist views of society. In other words, it is illegal not to hire a chef, for example, who is black, white, green, or gay, if the reason you are not hiring that person, despite his or her exceptional talents as a chef, is merely because your friends won't come to a restaurant that has a chef who is a gay, or black, or whatever.

    It is a common, fallacious, argument of the far white "fat cats", to muddy the definition of what discrimination is.

    By the way, with respect to the hair salon example you cite, yes it would be discrimination if the salon specializes in a special hair style, and the applicant can do that hair style as well or better than other applicants, regardless of ethnicty, and you don't hire that person because he or she doesn't fit the ethnicity of the other workers.

    Now, tell me, Trance, do you think that particular example you chose is more reflective of what happens in society as a whole, or do you think that a black person not being hired just because he or she is black (and, therefore, in the mind of the racist, inferior) is more of a problem in society? You purposefully chose a minor example often trumpeted by white conservatives, whereas the example I just cited above is much more reflective of the issues society faces.

    Pullleeeaaasssse.

    John