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Apple Approves iPhone Anti GLBT rights App

  • Kage Posts: 707
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 4:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Timberoo saidLet Apple know you disapprove by boycotting their products.


    Hell no!!!! I love me my MacBook and iTouch


    My point exactly.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    SanDiegoNewbie said
    FearTheFall saidI see nothing wrong with this. It's called freedom of speech. People are entitled to their opinions.


    iPhone also blocked an app that would allow users to watch full length Family Guy or South Park episodes on their phones... because they did not approve of the content of the shows. It was from the actual creators of South Park so its definitely not like it was an infringement issue on copyrights... they also blocked an iPhone app that was simply Dalai Lama quotes. Really?

    I think these things combined should really be a no-brainer as far as this companies stance goes. And no amount of sleek designs and catchy commercial tunes will ever cover it up for me.

    If you really want to test it, develop an app for the opposing side and lets see how far it gets...

    beta


    this arguement is compleatly just. i dont think its a problem of convincing US that you're right.

    However, apple also has the right to chose, approve, and reject what ever apps it wants. its not a goverment run bussiness.

    jsut like how its Chick-fil-a's choice to not be open on sundays.
  • Sk8Tex Posts: 738
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    Thats true...but to say Apple approved it simply due to free-speech rights...isn't exactly an accurate picture
  • Citrushills Posts: 56
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    PrinceOfArya said
    FearTheFall saidI see nothing wrong with this. It's called freedom of speech. People are entitled to their opinions.


    should we allow an app for the black panthers and the kkk as well?

    its not a freedom of speech when it infringes the rights of others.. but then again this is the Canadian definition hence a non issue in Canada.


    I don't see it as a "freedom of speech" issue for Iphone but rather the limiting of an individuals' freedom of speech and another marketing tool by a huge corporation. It's the same thing as the argument (recent and horrible supreme court decision that controls our elections) for unlimited campaign donations by corporations. That's not freedom of speech when it costs money. Real "freedom of speech" cannot be bought or sold. Freedom of speech is limited when our corporatocracy exploits its consumers with views that would stifle our freedom of speech in favor of their marketing apparatus and power in our peronsal lives and government policies.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidLet Apple know you disapprove by boycotting their products.


    No way. Apple is totally gay friendly. Its is based in the freakin bay area. I have dozens of friends that work for the Apple corporate office and they all make it pretty high up in the company. They are all out at work too. Like Art_Deco mentioned Apple is against prop 8 and donated to the opponents of that measure.

    They probably have policies and procedures on what apps are approved or disapproved. If this app happens to fall within the policies then it would be hard for them to say no. I am sure there will be noise within the Company regarding the approval of this app. Plus, this app doesn't do shit. Now if Angry Bird was anti-gay then that would be another story.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 5:57 PM GMT
    jeepguySD said
    metta8 saidApple has approved an iPhone app which calls on users to sign up to a declaration against LGBT rights and gay marriage.


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/23/apple-approves-anti-gay-iphone-app/


    It seems to me that the best response to news like this is not to complain about it, but rather to write an app that does just the opposite -- that calls on users to sign a pro-LGBT rights declaration.

    I imagine the Human Rights Campaign, or other similar groups, could easily spearhead such an effort and be quite successful about it. HRC already has a buying guide app.



    THIS!


    As for those of you who say it's just freedom of speech... ok, so can I go out and make an app, and get it approved by Apple, that let's users declare that they think blacks, women, etc should get their rights taken away? I think not. I would be ok with this if it was just another one of those things where people make a site, or something similar, saying they think homosexuality is wrong, nasty, an abomination (lord knows there's many out there) then I wouldn't be as bothered because I put up with that shit every day with my family. But to go as far as approving an app that's against LGBT rights, which we SHOULD have, is just wrong and I can't believe Apple approved the shit. I hope they lose sells over this.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
    Whats the big deal? Isn't it a free market? Its not like that app its gonna change anything.

    I bet is a free app too, I mean who would buy something like this?
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:10 PM GMT
    Boycotting Apple's products would be truly wrong. They are EXCEPTIONALLY supportive of gay rights and gay employees. Approving an app because it conforms to basic guidelines does not mean Apple actually approves OF the app.

    Besides supporting gay marriage (by opposing prop 8 in California), Apple puts it's full corporate weight behind its gay employees. It has long had full benefits for same-sex domestic partners, before most companies even dared think of it. And beyond that, check this out:

    Apple has huge facilities in Austin, Texas--a city that fully supports gay rights. When Apple was looking to expand a decade or so ago, economics drove them to consider a location in Round Rock, in Williamson County just north of and adjacent to Austin. Williamson county is highly conservative and notoriously anti-gay. When the the county honcho's learned of Apple's policy of full benefits for same-sex domestic partners, they refused to extend any of the usual development incentives or tax abatements--incentives they always offered to any large business. The refusal was because of Apple's benefits policy, and that alone. The county stated so flat out. Apple's reaction: Williamson County, go to hell. We'll build our facility somewhere else, somewhere that does not tread on human rights and dignity. And indeed, Apple abandoned the Williamson Country project--one they had planned to build with or without incentives. In its smugness the county lost an enormous boost in employment and revenue. And it remains as anti-gay as ever.

    So think twice about boycotting Apple for the apps they approve. When push comes to shove, they stand firmly behind us.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
    Didn't know all of that. Thanks, roughplay.
  • metta8 Posts: 21299
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:36 PM GMT
    @Roughplay...interesting...did they build in another place...

    The only article that I found was one where the County gave in....

    Texas County Retreats Over Apple's Gay Policy
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE2DD103CF93BA35751C1A965958260


    Anyways, personally, I don't think that this calls for a boycott. I just think that people should be aware that this app exists.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    MenschPress saidUm, you're all missing the point.

    Yes, everyone has a right to hold and to speak their opinion, including homophobes and racists. That includes advocating that the rights of others be taken away. If it's your opinion, you can speak it.


    that in my opinion, is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard...

    so I advocate they take away your right to state that opinion..

    yuo see how that does not work?

    You cant advocate a freedom of that advocates taking away freedom
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:52 PM GMT

    Hate.





    ...There's an app for that.
  • MisterT Posts: 1272
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:57 PM GMT
    Davis510 said
    Hate.





    ...There's an app for that.


    Well said.

    With the amount of gay dollars Apple takes in, it's surprising they would allow such an app.

    Though with so many gay guys not caring and will buy the products anyway, they are basically supporting Apple making such a rash anti gay decision.

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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    metta8 said@Roughplay...interesting...did they build in another place...

    The only article that I found was one where the County gave in....

    Texas County Retreats Over Apple's Gay Policy
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE2DD103CF93BA35751C1A965958260


    Anyways, personally, I don't think that this calls for a boycott. I just think that people should be aware that this app exists.


    My favorite quote of this article:

    What is unclear is whether her likely Republican opponent, George W. Bush, son of the former President, will press the issue by staking out any differences with her.

    We all know how that turned out..
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
    I thought anyone who bought an Apple product was gay. Or some latte drinkin', Starbucks lurkin', NPR listenin', Gap shoppin', khaki wearin', bohemian frontin' preppy.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI thought anyone who bought an Apple product was gay. Or some latte drinkin', Starbucks lurkin', NPR listenin', Gap shoppin', khaki wearin', bohemian frontin' preppy.

    All of the above...
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    They probably have policies and procedures on what apps are approved or disapproved. If this app happens to fall within the policies then it would be hard for them to say no.


    They do have policies and procedures... it mostly consists of a long waiting line for one reviewer- If the reviewer sees anything wrong or in violation with the guidelines, a message will be sent telling you why your app was rejected.
    The most commonly rejected apps are ones that feature nudity- male or female- and naughty games.

    This app doesn't seem to be anything more than a cheap survey for crazed christian fundamentalist... and it honestly would have probably been overlooked by thousand and buried underneath Apple's many other garbage apps if it weren't for this article.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:26 PM GMT
    Here are the guidelines:
    http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/engadget/files/app-store-guidelines.pdf
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    I believe that Dan Savage made a great point on CNN recently regarding the concept of opposing points of view and "freedom of speech" that is very relevant to this situation. He pointed out how our media is so eager to provide false equivalence on what should be basic human rights by giving Tony Perkins of AFA a microphone right beside him. He also drew a comparison to how you would never see someone invited on the network that with an openly racist agenda with talking points on why other races shouldn't have the same rights.

    I think it's the same thing here. Apple wouldn't be caught approving a similar app that asked people to sign up against interracial marriage because they know it flies in the face of basic human rights. Just like the app that they approved does.

    Apple is a great company, but I believe they need to recognize that while everyone has freedom of speech, Apple also has the freedom to exercise good judgment in whether or not they wish to implicitly condone this sort of app. They make judgment calls on other apps after all.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    I’m all for gay rights, but it's bitching about ridiculously minute issues like this that sets us back rather than ahead. I'm sure the Apple reviewer (single person -- it's not like app approval has to climb the entire corporate ladder) spent less than 1/10th of the time approving this app than has been spent just talking about it on this forum.

    Apple has a diverse customer group. The makers of this app are sharing their opinion. If they included a game that involved burning or killing gay people, I’m sure Apple would have rejected it.

    There are over 200,000 apps in the app store. Are you guys fucking serious about freaking over this 1 app?

    Instead of asking Apple to do our agenda setting for us, how about a couple of you go out there and build a pro LGBT rights app?
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 8:04 PM GMT
    Well, why not download it and vote that you DO support gay rights? There are more gay men with iPhones than there are hate-filled friends of jeebus. Use the technology.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 8:08 PM GMT
    Skotlake saidInstead of asking Apple to do our agenda setting for us, how about a couple of you go out there and build a pro LGBT rights app?

    I wish I had that skill set, and maybe somebody will do that. But this did make me think about a fundraising app for our HIV/AIDS SMART Ride, from which we just returned yesterday (Tue). I will be trying to find someone who knows how to write these iPhone apps, and see if we can design one to raise money & awareness for our annual event.

    I've already read the Apple guidelines, and realize that the app has to be free, and we have to be US government-recognized as an official non-profit, which we are. So that at least for me and our cause, this discussion may have some beneficial result.
  • charlitos Posts: 8934
    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 8:08 PM GMT
    FearTheFall saidI see nothing wrong with this. It's called freedom of speech. People are entitled to their opinions.


    Freedom of speech has a limit on the human rights scale, it can only go so far. Try to publish an anti-women rights app, or an anti-blacks rights app, what am I saying just try to get away with an anti-animals right app and you'll have the entire Animal Liberation Front asking for your head on a plate.

    Too fucking bad some people think that gays deserve less rights than a monkey. Yes freedom of speech only when you dont directly take away the human rights of others. The GLTB is not asking for more than any other regular citizen gets, its a matter of equality and fairness. People should stop coming back with the freedom of speech line to justify such erratic behaviors, cause that freedom of speech is what pushed so many teenagers to commit suicide over gay bullying. Freedom of speech has a powerful psychological impact that can be as effective as any physical attack on a human being. Lets stop pretending its just a basic right we all should have, cause it is not just like punching someone on the face isnt your right either.
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    QUOTE Nov 24, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    I wish I had that skill set, and maybe somebody will do that. But this did make me think about a fundraising app for our HIV/AIDS SMART Ride, from which we just returned yesterday (Tue). I will be trying to find someone who knows how to write these iPhone apps, and see if we can design one to raise money & awareness for our annual event.


    Apps like these are actually very simple to build. It's just a series of "Hello World!"s, which you can do with very minimal programing skills.
    If you search hard enough you can probably even find a basic template to build on- and if you're willing- you can try finding someone (a student?) on craigslist-

    Programing project only get really difficult if you're trying to build a game that requires great AI... for all others there's Gamesalad.
  • Anto Posts: 2035
    QUOTE Nov 25, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    FearTheFall saidI see nothing wrong with this. It's called freedom of speech. People are entitled to their opinions.


    Are you kidding? Apple is anything but freedom of speech on their iOS platform. Apple enforces it's policies arbitrarily and with an almost American Family Association/ Taliban moral authority ethic.

    There have even been cases of anti-gay bias.

    Apple is notorious in regard to how it censors and bans apps and content on the iOS platform.