REPUBLICAN Tom DeLay Found Guilty

  • Webster666

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    Nov 25, 2010 7:06 AM GMT
    (11-24) 21:27 PST Austin, Texas (AP) --
    Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay — once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress — was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.

    Prosecutors said DeLay conspired with two associates, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, to use his Texas-based PAC to send $190,000 in corporate money to an arm of the Washington-based Republican National Committee, or RNC. The RNC then sent the same amount to seven Texas House candidates. Under Texas law, corporate money can't go directly to political campaigns.

    Prosecutors claim the money helped Republicans take control of the Texas House. That enabled the GOP majority to push through a Delay-engineered congressional redistricting plan that sent more Texas Republicans to Congress in 2004 — and strengthened DeLay's political power.

    Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering.

    He faces up to life in prison on the money laundering charge.
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    Nov 25, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
    This just shows that the most important thing we need right now is government reform because I truly believe Washington is full of political criminals and there's a lot more that should be given life in prison other than just him.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 25, 2010 12:32 PM GMT
    I am SO glad that they found him guilty because he is such a scumbag
    Tom Delay is and was the epitome of what is wrong with Washington right now

    .... and the fact that he did all this crap while he was there and NO ethics charges were brought up by the republican majority says SO much
  • Webster666

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    Nov 26, 2010 8:12 AM GMT
    And, he isn't as lucky as Jack Abramhoff, to have a Republican President break him out of prison immediately after he was convicted and sentenced.

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    Nov 26, 2010 8:32 AM GMT
    Don't forget people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. The Democrats and greens a fare from free of sin and bad deeds.
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    Nov 26, 2010 8:36 AM GMT
    Lets not forget Ted kennedy is proof that American Justis is not blind. A woman dyed at his hands, and because his family where Camelot, he walked away free because of his family name. Now there are his supports who will tell you: "well with all the good he did since then, it out weighs any wrong he may of done." Sad they are not so open minded when it come to anything conservative.
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    Nov 26, 2010 8:46 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidLets not forget Ted kennedy is proof that American Justis is not blind. A woman dyed at his hands, and because his family where Camelot, he walked away free because of his family name. Now there are his supports who will tell you: "well with all the good he did since then, it out weighs any wrong he may of done." Sad they are not so open minded when it come to anything conservative.





    Whether or not Ted Kennedy was or was not guilty of whatever, has nothing to do with the fact that Tom DeLay is a REPUBLICAN CONVICTED FELON.

    If you have an opinion on whether or not Tom DeLay is guilty (or anything else pertaining to the Tom DeLay scandal), I welcome your input.

    If you want to bitch about Ted Kennedy, start your own damn thread.

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    "I still maintain that I am innocent," DeLay told reporters. "The criminalization of politics undermines our very system. I'm very disappointed."



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    Nov 26, 2010 11:36 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidLets not forget Ted kennedy is proof that American Justis is not blind. A woman dyed at his hands, and because his family where Camelot, he walked away free because of his family name. Now there are his supports who will tell you: "well with all the good he did since then, it out weighs any wrong he may of done." Sad they are not so open minded when it come to anything conservative.


    Like I had said before
    Mr DeLay was in a very powerful position in congress over the last decade
    and is part and parcel of all the sh*t that is coming down around us right now
    He was the spear head of the K Street Project that welcomed with open arms the lobbyists to come and paint the town with money for the republican party

    So you wanna bring up old ghosts about Ted Kennedy ?
    Go Head
    It doesn't abolish anything that this crook did in one bit at all
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    Nov 26, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    Both democrats and republicans are a bunch of goddamned crooks. Both political parties are plagued with hypocrisy and corruption. It is time to serve eviction papers on both democrats and republicans in Washington and in all 50 state capitals as well. It is time for a major political change in this country. Enough of the pointless oscillating between democrats and republicans because it is just more of the same. icon_mad.gif
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    Nov 26, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidBoth democrats and republicans are a bunch of goddamned crooks. Both political parties are plagued with hypocrisy and corruption. It is time to serve eviction papers on both democrats and republicans in Washington and in all 50 state capitals as well. It is time for a major political change in this country. Enough of the pointless oscillating between democrats and republicans because it is just more of the same. icon_mad.gif


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    Isn't this a good argument for reducing the size of government then? This is what I don't really understand for those who view government as a force of good - invariably also means they are given more power and more money to spend creating increasingly large incentives for corruption. Taxing less, regulating less and spending less is therefore a more effective longer term solution.
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    Nov 26, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidBoth democrats and republicans are a bunch of goddamned crooks. Both political parties are plagued with hypocrisy and corruption. It is time to serve eviction papers on both democrats and republicans in Washington and in all 50 state capitals as well. It is time for a major political change in this country. Enough of the pointless oscillating between democrats and republicans because it is just more of the same. icon_mad.gif


    +1

    Isn't this a good argument for reducing the size of government then? This is what I don't really understand for those who view government as a force of good - invariably also means they are given more power and more money to spend creating increasingly large incentives for corruption. Taxing less, regulating less and spending less is therefore a more effective longer term solution.


    I think the corruption in our politics is cause for grave concern, but I have two issues with "reducing the size of government" argument.

    First, as the nation grows in population and the world becomes increasingly complex across a range of axes (finance, technology, medicine), don't we need a government that has the size to manage this increasing complexity, particularly in ensuring that your average American doesn't have the wool pulled over her eyes?

    Second, though some on here (I think you're one, riddler, and I know SB is) recognize the fact that our military is enormous and a huge drain on the Treasury, the majority of those who call for shrinking government focus solely on (what is left of) the welfare state. The majority of them, including the co-chairs of the deficit commission, have an agenda of eliminating any semblance of a welfare state and/or transferring working- and middle-class wealth from us to their friends in finance.

    So, yes, let's shrink government but how do we decide what to shrink?
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    Nov 26, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
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    "I still maintain that I am innocent," DeLay told reporters. "The criminalization of politics undermines our very system. I'm very disappointed."

    Yeah, I'm disappointed, too, that Tom DeLay DID criminalize politics with his own illegal actions. What a load of double-speak, but par for the course with the current crop of Republicans.
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    Nov 26, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
    Christian73First, as the nation grows in population and the world becomes increasingly complex across a range of axes (finance, technology, medicine), don't we need a government that has the size to manage this increasing complexity, particularly in ensuring that your average American doesn't have the wool pulled over her eyes?


    Nope.
    Fire all the experts, they're not from Real America.
    Everybody should speak American English...fire all the Arabic and Korean linguists. Who needs political analysts when you have the geopolitical genius of Sarah Palin, who knows political jujitsu?
    All we need is Sarah Palin: the expert on everything. Intellectual sloth is now the most effective anti-elitist weapon...as if it never was. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 26, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    Well, if he goes to prison, at least he wont have to worry about bending over in the shower.
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    Nov 26, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    I for one, was gratified to hear this news. Tom DeLay is a disgraceful human being and should serve his entire term in prison.

    The only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry. Pardoning DeLay will come at a huge cost, not only to Perry but to the entire Republican party.

    Let this be a lesson for all of those who are registered Republicans to depart this disgusting group of self serving and self-centered individuals and turn to the Democratic party, where inclusion and the concern for all Americans is their message.

    TOM DeLAY IS THE FACE OF THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY
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    Nov 26, 2010 11:10 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidThe only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry. Pardoning DeLay will come at a huge cost, not only to Perry but to the entire Republican party.

    I think you're wrong there. Pardoning DeLay would be very popular in Texas, where he remains a hero, and a victim of the evil Liberals. But before he needs a pardon, I'm pretty sure a Republican judge will overturn his conviction, and he won't be retried.
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    Nov 26, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
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    turtleneckjock saidThe only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry. Pardoning DeLay will come at a huge cost, not only to Perry but to the entire Republican party.

    I think you're wrong there. Pardoning DeLay would be very popular in Texas, where he remains a hero, and a martyr of the evil Liberals. But before he needs a pardon, I'm pretty sure a Republican judge will overturn his conviction, and he won't be retried.


    Clarification: DeLay's pardon by Rick Perry will reflect bad on a national level on the Republican party as well as to come back on Perry. In Texas, it won't matter one bit. Nationally, it will damage the wing nuts as as forgiving one of their own for criminal activity.....
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    Nov 26, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    Art_Deco said
    turtleneckjock saidThe only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry. Pardoning DeLay will come at a huge cost, not only to Perry but to the entire Republican party.

    I think you're wrong there. Pardoning DeLay would be very popular in Texas, where he remains a hero, and a victim of the evil Liberals. But before he needs a pardon, I'm pretty sure a Republican judge will overturn his conviction, and he won't be retried.

    Clarification: Nationally, DeLay's pardon by Rick Perry will reflect bad on a national level on the Republican party as well as Perry. In Texas, it won't matter one bit. Nationally, it will damage the wing nuts as a whole....

    I differ again. The US is now dominated by right-wing conservatism, and DeLay's pardon (or the overturning of his conviction, which I see as more likely) will be welcomed. Only Liberals will scream about it, but with no audience to hear them.
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    Nov 27, 2010 1:08 AM GMT
    The only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry.

    You're absolutely right Turtle

    But it might not be for the reason that you're thinking about
    This little punk DeLay had his hands on power for many many years and he made some lasting alliances with lots of upper echelon people in the republican party as well as on K Street
    Once DeLay gets sentenced and is facing the possibility of real jail time
    He might SING like a bird and there are probably a lot of people shaking in their wing tips right now

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  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Nov 27, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    uh... icon_rolleyes.gif ... what a crook. I'm sure he came in contact with the SC Republican Party at some point in his miserable career. He'd definitely fit in here.
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    Nov 27, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    Fuck prison for life - that piece of crap should have to serve life-time community service in impoverished minority communities AND hard labor. Or publicly flogged. Bastard hell-spawn. icon_exclaim.gif
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    Nov 27, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    Or we could talk the Tea Party favourite encouraging the USA to support the communist North Koreans, ooops, by mistake.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Nov 27, 2010 4:10 AM GMT
    Have you noticed the conservative Republican Tea Baggers here on RJ have remained quiet? They haven't come to the rush of their good friend who is the FACE of their party. Their darling! The chosen one.......????

    There are lots of skeletons in the Republican closet. They know Palin is a clueless moron, but continue to love her....they KNOW they are a fractured party who will not be able to govern come January. They KNOW us Democrats are going to put their feet to the fire when they do what is best for their billionaire friends...and not for the American people as a whole.

    Clueless. Shameless. Lacking focus. Caring for a chosen few. That's the Republican party.....
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    Nov 27, 2010 4:19 AM GMT
    Webster666 said

    If you want to bitch about Ted Kennedy, start your own damn thread




    Oh let him. It's entertaining reading his fractured English....that true-blue-aussie. A woman "dyed" at his hands? Priceless.
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    Nov 27, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    Art_Deco said
    turtleneckjock saidThe only thing preventing this "Republican criminal" from completing his sentencing will be a pardon by the far right, conservative Texas governor, Rick Perry. Pardoning DeLay will come at a huge cost, not only to Perry but to the entire Republican party.

    I think you're wrong there. Pardoning DeLay would be very popular in Texas, where he remains a hero, and a martyr of the evil Liberals. But before he needs a pardon, I'm pretty sure a Republican judge will overturn his conviction, and he won't be retried.


    Clarification: DeLay's pardon by Rick Perry will reflect bad on a national level on the Republican party as well as to come back on Perry. In Texas, it won't matter one bit. Nationally, it will damage the wing nuts as as forgiving one of their own for criminal activity.....





    Actually, under Texas law, the Governor is not permitted to grant pardon or parole.
    Instead, the Board of Pardons and Paroles will recommend to the Governor whether or not to grant such.