"God punished you" - PEI legislator

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    Nov 26, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
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    Background:PEI is the last province in Canada to have a ban on Sunday Shopping.

    The Premier has blocked any attempt to repeal that ban (his family owns a lot of convenience stores.)

    The Opposition Leader introduced a private member's Bill to repeal it. It passed second Reading this week. The Opposition forced a stand-up free vote (not whipped along Psrty lines). The result was a tie; the Speaker cast the deciding vote to repeal.


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    A veteran Liberal MLA who is celebrating 25 years in the P.E.I. legislature is coming under fire for suggesting Opposition Leader Olive Crane’s recent fall may have been the Lord’s doing.

    During a debate on Sunday shopping, MacKinley accused Crane of going out to the CBC to push Sunday shopping.

    “And right after that interview, what happened to ya?” MacKinley asked Crane from the floor of the P.E.I. legislature.

    Crane replied that she had a bit of an accident.

    MacKinley then said: “Does that not tell you something?”

    MacKinley went on to say: “That the Lord works in mysterious ways, maybe you should start worrying about what is going on here. We are getting further and further away, whether it’s prayers in the school or whatever it is, we’re getting further away from it.

    “I think, if I was you, Leader of the Opposition, I would pull this bill off the floor and go back and sit down.”

    Crane fell off a raised platform in the studios of CBC News: Compass, on Monday, causing injuries to her right arm and leg, including a sprained wrist and ankle.

    The mishap forced her to miss two sittings of the legislature. She remains in pain and swelling in her ankle and wrist forced her to carry out question period while seated on Thursday.

    Crane described the comments as “totally inappropriate” and “uncalled for.”

    Still, she won’t call for an apology.

    “His comments were quite inappropriate and really didn’t add to the debate,” said Crane.

    Premier Robert Ghiz said he wasn’t in the P.E.I. legislature when the comments were made and he referred all other questions to MacKinley.

    “Sounds like a bit of a joke to me,” said Ghiz.

    “I didn’t hear it. I don’t know what the context was so it’s hard for me to give an opinion on that.”

    Crane said MacKinley was deadpan when he made the comments, suggesting to her that the comments were not made in jest.

    “(MacKinley) wasn’t joking,” said Crane.

    “I thought he was quite serious.”







    In his own words

    Transportation Minister Ron MacKinley’s comments are being described as “totally inappropriate” and “uncalled for” by the Opposition leader, here’s what MacKinley had to say in his own words:

    Ron MacKinley: You were out at CBC pushing Sunday shopping, were you not?

    Olive Crane: I was doing an interview at CBC, yes.

    MacKinley: And right after that interview, what happened to ya? (There is now nervous laughter from Liberal MLAs.)

    Crane: We had a bit of an accident.

    MacKinley: Does that not tell you something?

    Crane: Like what?

    MacKinley: That the Lord works in mysterious ways, maybe you should start worrying about what is going on here. We are getting further and further away, whether it’s prayers in the school or whatever it is, we’re getting further away from it.

    I think, if I was you, Leader of the Opposition, I would pull this bill off the floor and go back and sit down.

    (MacKinley’s comments drew applause and the traditional thumping of desks from Liberal MLAs showing their support for his comments.)

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    Nov 26, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    *sighs* the rotten stick of religion-applied-to-politics.

    Perhaps someone should point out that if god did that to her over Sunday shopping, there should already be an epidemic of calamities happening to store owners from coast to coast.

    -Doug
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    Nov 26, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    I remember Toronto use to have these very conservative laws. Bars would close early, no porno could be shown and I believe they had some type of Sunday blue law. It reminded me of the archaic blue laws they had in Massachusetts. People would drive to New Hampshire to buy booze on Sunday. I don't know if they still have those laws but there is a lesson to learn. It is not just the southern US where the church has too much influence over the laws. But I do think that the southern baptists can be the most aggressive politically and can also be the most homophobic.

    At least you guys have Quebec where they went through their anti-clerical movement. There is something so free and playful about Montreal that is hard to find in the rest of North America. Catholic countries that have had their anti-clerical movement like France and Spain are especially weary of mixing religion with politics. I was discussing this subject the last time I was in France. I said we in the US have freedom of religion but we don't have freedom from religion as you do in France.
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    Nov 26, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    friendormate saidI remember Toronto use to have these very conservative laws. Bars would close early, no porno could be shown and I believe they had some type of Sunday blue law.

    We had Blue Laws in New Jersey when I was a kid. About the only thing you could buy on Sunday was from a drug store, everything else closed down.

    And I wondered even then, how come we don't shut down stores on Saturday, too, for the Jews? Why do we have civil laws that only respect Christian values, but not those of other religions?

    I like friendormate's observation that in the US we may have freedom OF religion, but not freedom FROM religion. We once were taught in school about the separation of church and state in the US, but no longer. And since the Bush Administration and its Faith-Based Initiatives, that line between religion and government has been erased. Christian fundamentalists now believe the US government is their exclusive tool, to reflect & execute their religious beliefs (euphemistically disguised as "traditional values") to the exclusion of all others.
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    Nov 26, 2010 3:35 PM GMT
    "Christian fundamentalists now believe the US government is their exclusive tool, to reflect & execute their religious beliefs (euphemistically disguised as "traditional values") to the exclusion of all others. "


    It has an eerie fanatical-Islamic feel to it.

    -Doug

    PS I think the religious factions in the US are heading for a show-down unless the US political parties start enforcing secular perspectives, that freedom of religion stuff is going to bite them with an Islamic political party that the constitution will protect. It's not freedom of religion for some, it's for all, and to put Christian religion into politics means all religions must have that freedom. What a nightmare. We have the same kind of crap to a lesser degree happening here in BC, with Wilf Hanni heading up the wacky christian heritage party.

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    Nov 26, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
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    "Christian fundamentalists now believe the US government is their exclusive tool, to reflect & execute their religious beliefs (euphemistically disguised as "traditional values") to the exclusion of all others."

    It has an eerie fanatical-Islamic feel to it.

    -Doug

    Hence they are appropriately termed the "Christian Taliban."
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    Nov 26, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    Looking back in history in every country where religion has come to the forefront of Government regulations and law making, the people have lost freedoms. If the far right come into power we will repeat history and lose established freedoms, and don't think it cannot happen here in the US because it can. I'm not predicting that it will though, I'm just hoping that enough people wake up to what the likes of Palins far right followers would bring about here in the USA
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    Nov 26, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    I thought that the puritanical blue laws against sunday shopping came down throughout most of the developed world a long time ago. Hopefully Prince Edward Island will eventually repeal its hard to enforce, puritanical blue law and let the people decide for themselves whether or not they want to shop on sundays. As for God having a hand in one of P.E.I. politicians downfall, that is a ridiculous fairy tale. There is no such thing as devine punishment.
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    Nov 26, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    UpperCanadian saidA veteran Liberal MLA who is celebrating 25 years in the P.E.I. legislature is coming under fire for suggesting Opposition Leader Olive Crane’s recent fall may have been the Lord’s doing.

    And here I didn't realize that PEI still has a House of Lords.
    You learn something every day on RJ.


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