Our Hero In Washington Will Be Sadly Missed.....

  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Nov 27, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    Now is as good a time as any for this tribute.

    Call him outspoken. Brash. Controversial. Whatever label you put on him, the 8th Congressional District in Florida will sadly miss Alan Grayson. Alan was our guy in Washington for only two years until he was defeated by Daniel Webster.

    Webster is a far, far right-wing conservative who is currently sharpening his ax to use it against gay men and women, Latinos, African Americans and those that do not hold his beliefs. He believes that women are inferior to men and if you do not attend a conservative, regressive-thinking BAPTIST church, then all humankind will go to hell. Webster is also the man who wants to introduce a bill in Congress to waive the sonogram picture of a woman's fetus IN HER FACE prior to receiving an abortion.....

    While those of us in the 8th CD live in motal fear the next two years, we pause to remember the good times....when Alan represented us:

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    Goodbye to truth. Goodbye to freedom. Will you return in 2012??
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    Nov 27, 2010 9:27 AM GMT
    I guess this is what passes for objectivity by some of the members of this site. Factcheck.org called one of Alan Grayson's attack ads "one of the nastiest [ads] we have seen so far this year, and it’s false."
    http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/27/the-execrable-alan-grayson
    Is Alan Grayson the most loathsome member of Congress? Up against some pretty impressive competition, Grayson, who has likened fans of Glenn Beck to Klansmen and compared the state of American health care to the Holocaust, distinguished himself last week with the release of two campaign ads that present an impressive case for his topping the loathsome tables.

    Bizarrely, Grayson was also caught running a fake Tea Party Candidate:
    http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/06/busted-slimy-alan-grayson-caught-running-fake-tea-party-candidates/

    To show how extreme this man was, he believed that any Republican who said “Drill, baby, drill!” should be tracked down and put in prison.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlrAIqEgZwo

    He states even explicitly that we should "get rid of Republicans entirely" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vykuGgmz0to

    As a class act, he interrupts an executive group of Republicans at a Perkins restaurant:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Px5hJmFLqA

    He holds a "town hall meeting" at a Union Town Hall stacking the audience with union members:
    http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/20443023/detail.html

    Of course I don't know if you should feel too bad for Grayson who is the 6th richest member of the House with a networth of an estimated 54M USD:
    http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/2010/01/interesting-alan-grayson-is-6th-richest.html

    Do facts even matter to you turtleneckjock? or does party/groupthink matter above all else?
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    Nov 27, 2010 10:02 AM GMT
    Grayson is totally without class. He made a national spectacle of himself with an attack ad that was dishonestly edited. Reports are he lost many votes just because of that ad.

    Anyone who revers him is either a total ideologue or lives in his same moral cesspool, or both.
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    Nov 27, 2010 11:02 AM GMT
    Ooooh ....... the nails come Out

    Alan Grayson lost his bid because he won in a conservative Central FL district
    with Obama's help on his Presidential election
    You can say anything you want
    but he told it like it was and he made republicans back down
    and didn't let them get away with their lies

    He'll be back .... don't worry
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    Nov 27, 2010 3:05 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidGrayson is totally without class. He made a national spectacle of himself with an attack ad that was dishonestly edited. Reports are he lost many votes just because of that ad.

    Anyone who revers him is either a total ideologue or lives in his same moral cesspool, or both.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Between Congressman Grayson of Florida and lets say Olmert of Texas, which of the two were most likely to forward your interests as a gay man in a reasonable way ?? Take a look at Olmerts record of statements and votes compared to Graysons, and see what you think, then realize that its very likely that we will have another Olmert type in congress, to replace the mitigating of far right damages Grayson had previously accomplished. Do you think your going to be better off now as a gay man with two Olmert type congressmen ?? Why do you gay republicans keep voting against your own interests ??
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    Nov 27, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidGrayson is totally without class. He made a national spectacle of himself with an attack ad that was dishonestly edited. Reports are he lost many votes just because of that ad.

    Anyone who revers him is either a total ideologue or lives in his same moral cesspool, or both.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Between Congressman Grayson of Florida and lets say Olmert of Texas, which of the two were most likely to forward your interests as a gay man in a reasonable way ?? Take a look at Olmerts record of statements and votes compared to Graysons, and see what you think, then realize that its very likely that we will have another Olmert type in congress, to replace the mitigating of far right damages Grayson had previously accomplished. Do you think your going to be better off now as a gay man with two Olmert type congressmen ?? Why do you gay republicans keep voting against your own interests ??


    Why do you ass-u-me that the interests of anyone who is gay happens to only encompass gay interests? Look at Grayson's record of value destruction and you could easily make an argument that he has done more to harm gay interests and everyone else's other than trial lawyers and unions than most Republicans.
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    realifedad said
    socalfitness saidGrayson is totally without class. He made a national spectacle of himself with an attack ad that was dishonestly edited. Reports are he lost many votes just because of that ad.

    Anyone who revers him is either a total ideologue or lives in his same moral cesspool, or both.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Between Congressman Grayson of Florida and lets say Olmert of Texas, which of the two were most likely to forward your interests as a gay man in a reasonable way ?? Take a look at Olmerts record of statements and votes compared to Graysons, and see what you think, then realize that its very likely that we will have another Olmert type in congress, to replace the mitigating of far right damages Grayson had previously accomplished. Do you think your going to be better off now as a gay man with two Olmert type congressmen ?? Why do you gay republicans keep voting against your own interests ??


    Why do you ass-u-me that the interests of anyone who is gay happens to only encompass gay interests? Look at Grayson's record of value destruction and you could easily make an argument that he has done more to harm gay interests and everyone else's other than trial lawyers and unions than most Republicans.


    What "value" did Grayson destroy?
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    Nov 27, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
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    realifedad said
    socalfitness saidGrayson is totally without class. He made a national spectacle of himself with an attack ad that was dishonestly edited. Reports are he lost many votes just because of that ad.

    Anyone who revers him is either a total ideologue or lives in his same moral cesspool, or both.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Between Congressman Grayson of Florida and lets say Olmert of Texas, which of the two were most likely to forward your interests as a gay man in a reasonable way ?? Take a look at Olmerts record of statements and votes compared to Graysons, and see what you think, then realize that its very likely that we will have another Olmert type in congress, to replace the mitigating of far right damages Grayson had previously accomplished. Do you think your going to be better off now as a gay man with two Olmert type congressmen ?? Why do you gay republicans keep voting against your own interests ??


    Why do you ass-u-me that the interests of anyone who is gay happens to only encompass gay interests? Look at Grayson's record of value destruction and you could easily make an argument that he has done more to harm gay interests and everyone else's other than trial lawyers and unions than most Republicans.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know of no "values destruction", to what do you refer? Our gay interests I refer to is such things as the end of DADT, and maintaining anti discrimination against gays. The likes of this Olmert and Graysons replacement are of the ilk to take us backwards, how are these gay interests against anyones rights and values ? Lets have some examples of what "harm" Grayson has done to anyone
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    Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    realifedad saidI know of no "values destruction", to what do you refer? Our gay interests I refer to is such things as the end of DADT, and maintaining anti discrimination against gays. The likes of this Olmert and Graysons replacement are of the ilk to take us backwards, how are these gay interests against anyones rights and values ? Lets have some examples of what "harm" Grayson has done to anyone


    I'm talking about economic value and job creation - on this is record is quite clear. Not only is he thuggish in lying about his opponents and unapologetic (see references above - my first reply to this subject), he repeatedly pandered to the interests of unions at the expense of his broader constituents. He deserved to lose and his constituents agreed.

    You may be a one issue voter, but many people are not. I'm not American but it's still in my interests that the US remains a strong power economically and as an example to the world when it comes to civil rights. I however, and I think many economically conservative gay voters in the US believe, that some gains in civil liberties should not come at the expense of even greater losses in economic liberties. You're free to disagree that he has done this (though his record is pretty clear) or even the economic effect of his record, but it's arrogant and juvenile to believe that everyone should believe that gay rights should come above all other issues in the voting booth.

    PS insofar as a champion for civil liberties goes, what champion of those liberties would advocate jailing their political opponents? criminalizing speech? If anything that he would bother to champion gay rights to any degree suggests that he is more a political opportunist than one who actually believes in civil liberties.
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    Nov 27, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    Note the date on this - November 2, 2009 - by a more neutral observer of Alan Grayson.

    A Lesson on How Not to Win Re-Election in Florida’s 8th District
    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_50/-40109-1.html

    By Stuart Rothenberg
    Roll Call Contributing Writer
    Nov. 2, 2009, Midnight

    After almost 30 years doing this, I shouldn’t be surprised by anything Members of Congress do. But even I was taken aback when Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) referred to an adviser to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke as a “K Street whore.”

    Democratic colleagues called the comment “absurd” (Rep. Bill Pascrell of New Jersey) and “inappropriate” (Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland), and Rep. Anthony Weiner (N.Y.) even said that the freshman Congressman is “one fry short of a Happy Meal.”

    I didn’t meet Grayson during either of his two Congressional runs (2006 and 200icon_cool.gif, but I heard plenty about him. My first and only meeting with the Congressman occurred earlier this year, in late March, in Orlando, Fla., when we spoke at the same event.

    At the time, a handful of names of possible GOP challengers were already floating around, including former state Sen. Dan Webster and Orange County Mayor Richard Crotty. Both have since passed on the race.

    Smart freshmen from difficult districts, when asked about their re-election prospects, will respond either that they are focused on doing their job on Capitol Hill or that they know that they’ll have a tough fight on their hands and will do everything they can to deserve re-election. Some even say something nice (e.g., “he’d be formidable”) about a potential opponent.

    Grayson did none of those things. Instead, with not a whit of humility, he proceeded to bash, then dismiss, Webster and Crotty. A Grayson aide has since said in print that potential opponents have decided against challenging the Congressman because “they don’t want to be gutted like a fish.”

    Grayson’s problems, from what I can tell, include an exaggerated sense of his intellect to cover up some self-esteem issues and a misguided belief that voters supported him because they actually liked him.

    The Congressman has terrific academic credentials. He graduated in three years, summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from Harvard. He has a law degree, with honors, from Harvard Law School, and he’s only a doctoral dissertation short of a Ph.D. in government from Harvard.

    He’s also made millions in business and as an attorney, making him one of the wealthiest Members of the House.

    But Grayson’s official House Web site provides some clues to Grayson the man.

    His bio begins with a quote from Deuteronomy, “Justice, justice, ye shall seek,” and continues, “There is right, and there is wrong. We in Central Florida have sent someone to Washington who fights for what’s right.”
    Note that the Congressman isn’t merely fighting for what he believes to be right, or that he is trying to work with others to improve things. His side stands for right, while the other side is wrong.

    The bio continues by telling us that Grayson “was admitted to an exclusive public high school,” and while in that school, “he achieved the highest test score among almost 50,000 students who took the test.”

    It also asserts that “life at Harvard wasn’t easy. Alan cleaned toilets, and worked as a night watchman.” And he “graduated from Harvard in the top two percent of his class.” Surprisingly, given what he does include, Grayson does not include his SAT scores or his IQ.

    Grayson clearly has some issues with who he is and where he came from. And that shows, not only in his bio but also with the way he deals with those who may disagree with him.

    Grayson was elected to Congress not because of who he is and was, but because he wasn’t Ric Keller, the incumbent Republican. The challenger won because of a big Democratic wave in a competitive but Republican-leaning district that President George W. Bush won with 55 percent in 2004. Barack Obama carried it with 52 percent last year — roughly the same showing as Grayson. The district’s Democratic Performance Index is only 44 percent, making it a difficult district for any Democrat in a normal year.
    Keller, of course, had a shockingly close 53 percent to 47 percent primary win about 10 weeks before last year’s general election, a sure sign of his problems in the district. And Grayson outspent Keller by almost 2-to-1, $3.21 million to $1.77 million, in the race.

    It was his money and the mood for change that made Grayson a winner, not the public’s affection or admiration for him.

    So where does Grayson stand politically after his “whore” comment, after saying that Republicans want sick people to “die quickly” and after comparing the nation’s health care system to the Holocaust? In very hot water.

    Grayson’s comments resonated with some grass-roots Democrats, but elections in Florida’s 8th district aren’t won by those kinds of voters. Swing voters, and particularly Republican-leaning swing voters, are likely to pick the next Congressman.

    Republican strategists don’t have a top-tier challenger to Grayson, but given the Congressman’s public persona, they probably don’t need one to make for a competitive contest. A competent, well-funded challenger with some private-sector experience would give Grayson a headache.

    Those who say that Grayson will or won’t win re-election at this point are getting too far ahead of themselves. The race is a long way from developing. But it’s already clear that Grayson loves controversy, thinks he can do no wrong and is widely seen as the loosest of cannons. That’s enough to almost guarantee he’ll be in the political fight of his life.

    Stuart Rothenberg is editor of the Rothenberg Political Report.
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    realifedad saidI know of no "values destruction", to what do you refer? Our gay interests I refer to is such things as the end of DADT, and maintaining anti discrimination against gays. The likes of this Olmert and Graysons replacement are of the ilk to take us backwards, how are these gay interests against anyones rights and values ? Lets have some examples of what "harm" Grayson has done to anyone


    I'm talking about economic value and job creation - on this is record is quite clear.


    How did Grayson harm economic value and job creation?
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    realifedad saidI know of no "values destruction", to what do you refer? Our gay interests I refer to is such things as the end of DADT, and maintaining anti discrimination against gays. The likes of this Olmert and Graysons replacement are of the ilk to take us backwards, how are these gay interests against anyones rights and values ? Lets have some examples of what "harm" Grayson has done to anyone


    I'm talking about economic value and job creation - on this is record is quite clear.


    How did Grayson harm economic value and job creation?


    Would you concede on the other points - that his attempts to stifle the political views of others makes his record as a civil libertarian questionable at best? I presume we would disagree with his near consistent support of the President's policies that have wrought havoc to business (and yes, I would even say that Bush was no friend of markets - specific favored businesses perhaps, but not to markets), but it is the President's/Pelosi's policies and regulations that have made the economy even worse.

    One simple example here is the union provision that would tax "cadillac healthcare plans" on all except for those of unions. That said, in reading more about him, I would say I like some of his views on financial transparency in the Fed though he is a rather poor advocate of practically any position given how prone he is to what one hopes is overstatement and hyperbole.
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    Nov 27, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
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    realifedad saidI know of no "values destruction", to what do you refer? Our gay interests I refer to is such things as the end of DADT, and maintaining anti discrimination against gays. The likes of this Olmert and Graysons replacement are of the ilk to take us backwards, how are these gay interests against anyones rights and values ? Lets have some examples of what "harm" Grayson has done to anyone


    I'm talking about economic value and job creation - on this is record is quite clear.


    How did Grayson harm economic value and job creation?


    Would you concede on the other points - that his attempts to stifle the political views of others makes his record as a civil libertarian questionable at best? I presume we would disagree with his near consistent support of the President's policies that have wrought havoc to business (and yes, I would even say that Bush was no friend of markets - specific favored businesses perhaps, but not to markets), but it is the President's/Pelosi's policies and regulations that have made the economy even worse.

    One simple example here is the union provision that would tax "cadillac healthcare plans" on all except for those of unions. That said, in reading more about him, I would say I like some of his views on financial transparency in the Fed though he is a rather poor advocate of practically any position given how prone he is to what one hopes is overstatement and hyperbole.


    In other words, you don't have a single example of how Grayson hurt economic value while in Congress? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Of course, we disagree on the president's policies wreaking havoc to business at a time when profits and bonuses are at historic highs. Please point to one example of the president's policies making the economy worse. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.

    The other examples you cite are hyperbole on Grayson's part, which rarely exceeded things said by Republicans or Tea Partiers.
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    Nov 27, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
    Alan Grayson was the biggest piece of garbage in the entire Congress. I celebrated his defeat. He ran a smear campaign against a good man, Congressman elect Daniel Webster. He's a liar, a cheat and owes that guy an apology. I remember at one point in his term he called a woman a whore. He's disgusting and lacks class. He's just a bad person.
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    Nov 27, 2010 10:45 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIn other words, you don't have a single example of how Grayson hurt economic value while in Congress?

    Of course, we disagree on the president's policies wreaking havoc to business at a time when profits and bonuses are at historic highs. Please point to one example of the president's policies making the economy worse. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.

    The other examples you cite are hyperbole on Grayson's part, which rarely exceeded things said by Republicans or Tea Partiers.


    So are we going to agree herewith that a great deal of charity be used not only to evaluate rhetoric but also obvious misspeakings by Tea Partiers and Republicans? Or do words have consequences - especially from and by people who wield power?

    As for the President's policies making the economy worse - the stimulus is the obvious example - that is already starting to push up long term interest rates for everyone resulting in a negative stimulus. Further, the issue for most fiscal conservatives was not that the stimulus wouldn't create any jobs but that those jobs are unsustainable and do not correct any of the underlying issues with the economy which include debts that exceed the values of their underlying assets for mortgages after the asset bubble burst and continues to burst. Even the CBO is now saying that the effect of stimulus is waning despite effective real unemployment north of 20%.

    The stimulus simply isn't working nor has it kickstarted the economy despite its costs so that now the US is left with greater debts and in an economic state no better than before if not even worse because of rising long term interest rates. I note even further that there is considerable cash on the sidelines such that QE2 is unnecessary - the reason why businesses are not investing is because of regulatory and tax uncertainty which is unsurprising and predictable. Alan Grayson, given his strong advocacy was a figurehead and advocate of these policies for which he found considerable support among certain grassroot Democratic voters.
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    Christian73 saidIn other words, you don't have a single example of how Grayson hurt economic value while in Congress?

    Of course, we disagree on the president's policies wreaking havoc to business at a time when profits and bonuses are at historic highs. Please point to one example of the president's policies making the economy worse. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.

    The other examples you cite are hyperbole on Grayson's part, which rarely exceeded things said by Republicans or Tea Partiers.


    So are we going to agree herewith that a great deal of charity be used not only to evaluate rhetoric but also obvious misspeakings by Tea Partiers and Republicans? Or do words have consequences - especially from and by people who wield power?

    As for the President's policies making the economy worse - the stimulus is the obvious example - that is already starting to push up long term interest rates for everyone resulting in a negative stimulus. Further, the issue for most fiscal conservatives was not that the stimulus wouldn't create any jobs but that those jobs are unsustainable and do not correct any of the underlying issues with the economy which include debts that exceed the values of their underlying assets for mortgages after the asset bubble burst and continues to burst. Even the CBO is now saying that the effect of stimulus is waning despite effective real unemployment north of 20%.

    The stimulus simply isn't working nor has it kickstarted the economy despite its costs so that now the US is left with greater debts and in an economic state no better than before if not even worse because of rising long term interest rates. I note even further that there is considerable cash on the sidelines such that QE2 is unnecessary - the reason why businesses are not investing is because of regulatory and tax uncertainty which is unsurprising and predictable. Alan Grayson, given his strong advocacy was a figurehead and advocate of these policies for which he found considerable support among certain grassroot Democratic voters.


    Well, in terms of words there is a difference between hyperbole and claiming the president is a socialist, Muslim extremist from Kenya. It just requires a bit of discernment.

    The stimulus was too small, which nearly everyone worth his or her salt said at the time, but Republican obstructionism made anything larger impossible. And the 40% of that were tax cuts were useless, as we all must now agree that cutting taxes does not stimulate the economy. Because if they did, the fact that all taxes are at historical lows would mean that the economy must be rocking and rolling, but it isn't.

    I agree that QE is unnecessary but your reasons for why business are not investing is wrong. They are not investing because there is no ability on the part of the middle class to consume. They are out of work, out of money, and out of credit. This is the unsurprising and predictable outcome of the nearly four decades of conservative economic policy, which has shifted the majority of our country's wealth to the top 2%. Now, they have all the money, aren't really spending it, and they cannot make up for the lack of capital among the middle and working classes.

    The quickest way to turn the economy around would be to increase taxes on the wealthiest Americans and undertake a massive jobs program focused on infrastructure, clean fuel development, healthcare efficiency, and education.

    If the country instead moves into an austerity program we will end up as fucked over as Ireland is at the moment.

    All that said, you have still not provided any evidence that Grayson destroyed economic value. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 28, 2010 1:42 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidI guess this is what passes for objectivity by some of the members of this site. Factcheck.org called one of Alan Grayson's attack ads "one of the nastiest [ads] we have seen so far this year, and it’s false."
    http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/27/the-execrable-alan-grayson
    Is Alan Grayson the most loathsome member of Congress? Up against some pretty impressive competition, Grayson, who has likened fans of Glenn Beck to Klansmen and compared the state of American health care to the Holocaust, distinguished himself last week with the release of two campaign ads that present an impressive case for his topping the loathsome tables.

    Bizarrely, Grayson was also caught running a fake Tea Party Candidate:
    http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/06/busted-slimy-alan-grayson-caught-running-fake-tea-party-candidates/

    To show how extreme this man was, he believed that any Republican who said “Drill, baby, drill!” should be tracked down and put in prison.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlrAIqEgZwo

    He states even explicitly that we should "get rid of Republicans entirely" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vykuGgmz0to

    As a class act, he interrupts an executive group of Republicans at a Perkins restaurant:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Px5hJmFLqA

    He holds a "town hall meeting" at a Union Town Hall stacking the audience with union members:
    http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/20443023/detail.html

    Of course I don't know if you should feel too bad for Grayson who is the 6th richest member of the House with a networth of an estimated 54M USD:
    http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/2010/01/interesting-alan-grayson-is-6th-richest.html

    Do facts even matter to you turtleneckjock? or does party/groupthink matter above all else?


    Puhleeze! The man told it like it is. We need more people like that in government, rather than the lambs already entrenched there. Now to refute your baseless charges:

    So what if he is the 6th richest member of the House? Cast your stones at the top five and while you're at it, go take on the Senate.

    Hey, the town hall meeting was open to everyone and if more union members showed up, so what? Alan has always been well supported by our union friends.

    What went unreported with the Perkins incident is the Republican bullies were taunting him. I know....I was there!!

    I think we should get rid of Republicans too, but it isn't gonna happen. I do have some friends that are, but it's the wacked out ones that need to be shipped to the moon.

    Everyone that lives in Florida should be opposed to offshore drilling near our coast. Remember the BP mess??? Republicans want like hell to drill out from the Tampa Bay area and near the Panhandle/Big Bend area. Insane!

    Grayson had nothing to do with Peg Dunmire, the Tea Bagger idiot that ran in the General. She only got 3,000 votes and I was really hoping she would siphon votes away from Webster, but didn't. Now if you think Grayson silently funded her candacy, you are wrong. She only received about $10,000 (all raised on her own) and spent it on some billboards. That's it. And....she badmouthed Grayson during the campaign. I was with a friend of mine at a Chili Cook Off in Umatilla, which is in the northern part of the 8th District. She was there passing out literature and spouting nonsense---and talking trash about Alan. An idiot.

    And in case you weren't aware.....Glen Beck's fans could easily be Klan members.

    Think about it.



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    Nov 28, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    Sounds like a self-built man if there is one, and I suppose much of his wealth can be traced to his telecommunications company and whistleblower suits for the Iraq war contractors. So let's all thank Bush.

    Somebody who uses the Force for good...maybe he should run for a New York position next.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_graysonGrayson was born in the Bronx, New York. He graduated from Bronx High School of Science and worked his way through Harvard University as a janitor and nightwatchman,[2] graduating summa cum laude in three years. He was also a member of Phi Beta Kappa. He returned to Harvard for graduate studies. Within four years, he earned a law degree with honors from Harvard Law School, a master's in public policy from the John F. Kennedy School of Government, and completed the course work and passed the general exams for a Ph.D. in government.[2][3]

    Grayson was employed as a law clerk at the Colorado Supreme Court in 1983,[4] and at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals from 1984 to 1985, where he worked with such judges as Abner Mikva, Robert Bork, and two judges who later joined the U.S. Supreme Court: Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Antonin Scalia.[citation needed] He was an associate at the Washington D.C. firm of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson for five years, where he specialized in contract law.

    Grayson wrote his masters thesis on gerontology and in 1986, he helped found the Alliance for Aging Research (AAR), and served as an officer of the organization for more than twenty years.[5] AAR is a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C. that was founded to promote medical research to improve the human experience of aging.

    In 1991 he founded the law firm Grayson, Kubli which concentrated on government contract law. He was a lecturer at the George Washington University government contracts program and a frequent speaker on the topic.[3] Grayson also was the first president of IDT Corporation, a publicly traded billion-dollar telecommunications company.[5][6]

    In the 2000s, he worked as a plaintiffs' attorney specializing in whistleblower fraud cases aimed at Iraq war contractors. One contractor, Custer Battles, employed individuals who were found guilty of making fraudulent statements and submitting fraudulent invoices on two contracts in 2003 the company had with the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.[7][8] On behalf of his clients, Grayson filed suit under the False Claims Act and its qui tam provisions.[7]

    The Iraq war contractor fraud case brought Grayson his first national attention.[9] In 2006, a Wall Street Journal reporter described Grayson as "waging a one-man war against contractor fraud in Iraq" and as a "fierce critic of the war in Iraq" whose car displayed bumper stickers such as "Bush lied, people died".[10]
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    Nov 28, 2010 2:27 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidAnd in case you weren't aware.....Glen Beck's fans could easily be Klan members.

    Think about it.

    So what do you have to say about the false editing job he did in the famous ad? It was shown nationwide. Totally dishonest, and it was clear how it took his opponents words out of context.

    And the above statement about Beck and the Klan shows a left-wing radical becoming even more unhinged and pathetic.

    Think about it.
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    Nov 28, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    Another comment was made by a poster here that I also want to clarify:

    The 8th CD has been trending Democratic in recent years thanks to a large number of Latinos that call the area home. However, the way the lines were drawn in 2000 have a large conservative bloc of voters in Lake and Marion Counties. Alan only got 53 percent of the vote in 2008, but beat a weak and whining Republican, Ric Keller to send his ass packing for good.

    Other note: Orange County Florida is carved up into 4 Congressional Districts. Depending where in the county you live, you could be represented by Alan Grayson, Suzanne Kosmas, Corrine Brown or John Mica.

    What hurt Grayson on Election Day was the fact the Latino vote basically stayed home. His base showed up, but moderate Dems ran and hid and the swing voters mainly went for Webster. Also, there is a small percentage of African American voters in CD 8, which would have helped, however, those neighborhoods are in Corrine Brown's district.
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    Nov 28, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    Christian73 said. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.


    Quite so. But then again, without the stimulus, we just might have been out of the recession, or nearing the end of it.

    With stimulus, we may very well be looking at a 15-20 year malaise that will dwarf the one Japan has been undergoing since its real estate bubble collapse of the early 1990s.

    Taking our medicine in full strength in the 2006-2007 time frame might have hurt more in the short run, but it would have swept away the rotten and weak businesses like so much garbage instead of buttressing them for a much worse collapse which may yet still come.
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    Christian73 said. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.


    Quite so. But then again, we just might have been out of the recession, or nearing the end of it.

    With stimulus, we may very well be looking at a 15-20 year malaise that will dwarf the one Japan has been undergoing since its real estate bubble collapse of the early 1990s.


    How? What would have been different besides less consumer demand than there already is?

    What would have actually boosted consumer confidence would have been a few perp walks by the guys who imploded the economy.
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    See my edited post above.

    Basically, I think stimulus was a measure to sugarcoat and support something that should have been allowed by market forces to collapse and die, a large part of which was bad banking practices.

    That, and along with prudent and cautiously implemented regulation (without strangulating the markets by over-regulating) to put some of the checks afforded by the Glass–Steagall Act back into place.
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    alphatrigger said
    Christian73 said. Without the stimulus, most economists estimate unemployment would be at 12 to 15%.


    Quite so. But then again, without the stimulus, we just might have been out of the recession, or nearing the end of it.


    I would take Great Recession over Great Depression 2.0 any day.
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    http://www.economics-ejournal.org/economics/journalarticles/2010-18This paper compares the depth of the recent crisis and the Great Depression. We use a new data set to compare the drop in activity in the industrialized countries for seven activity indicators. This is done under the assumption that the recent crisis leveled off in mid-2009 for production and will do so for unemployment in 2010. Our data indicate that the recent crisis indeed had the potential to be another Great Depression, as shown by the speed and simultaneity of the decline in the first nine months. However, if we assume that a large second dip can be avoided, the drop in all indicators will have been smaller than during the Great Depression. This holds true specifically for GDP, employment and prices, and least for manufacturing output. The difference in the depth in the crises concurs with differences in policy reaction. This time monetary policy and fiscal policy were applied courageously, speedily and partly internationally coordinated. During the Great Depression for several years fiscal policy tried to stabilize budgets instead of aggregate demand, and either monetary policy was not applied or was rather ineffective insofar as deflation turned lower nominal interest rates into higher real rates. Only future research will be able to prove the exact impact of economic policy, but the current tentative conclusion is that economic policy prevented the recent crisis from developing into a second Great Depression. This is also a partial vindication for economists. The majority of them might not have been able to predict the crisis, but the science did learn its lesson from the Great Depression and was able to give decent policy advice to at least limit the depth of the recent crisis.
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    turtleneckjock saidAnd in case you weren't aware.....Glen Beck's fans could easily be Klan members.

    Think about it.

    So what do you have to say about the false editing job he did in the famous ad? It was shown nationwide. Totally dishonest, and it was clear how it took his opponents words out of context.

    And the above statement about Beck and the Klan shows a left-wing radical becoming even more unhinged and pathetic.

    Think about it.


    Nope. Don't need to. You are the one that needs to think about it. Glen Beck appeals to people with a limited education, appeals to the far right and is a man clearly pissed that an African American has been elected President (as all Republicans and Tea Baggers are). Therefore, it is perfectly plausable that he appeals to Klan members. Not unhinged. Not pathetic either. Perfectly possible.

    Yes, the Taliban Dan ad was tweaked, but Republicans do the same thing. Besides, Webster DID NOT REFUTE anything that was said about women being an inferior class to men. He said nothing----but let the US Chamber of Commerce do his bidding for him---that bastard!