Help Stop the Canadian Seal Hunt

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    Mar 16, 2008 4:57 PM GMT




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    Please stop this horrific practice and email Prime Minister Harper
    http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/seal_hunt_skins
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    Mar 16, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
    Thanks for the link. How long you've been vegan? I've been vegetarian for 13 years now. If you're interested, there is an animal rights conference that meets every 2 years in DC. Here is the link, in case you (or anyone else) is interested:

    http://www.arconference.org/

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    Mar 16, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    Hey Jim,

    Thanks for the link, I have been Vegan 3 years. I am gonna def try to make it to that conference. Are you going?
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    Mar 16, 2008 5:18 PM GMT
    Definitely. I've been going every year since 2000 when they hold it in DC.
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    Mar 16, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
    awesome I heard about it a while back and really would like to go. what exactly happens there, just lectures?
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    Mar 16, 2008 5:24 PM GMT
    Oh boy first abortion now seal hunts.

    Being a Canadian I am not going to dictate to people in Newfoundland to stop hunting seals, I know how tough life is for them since the Cod fishery collapsed.

    Besides seals are hardly an endangered species. If people really want to kill off the seal hunt they need to stop the demand for seal pelts. That has what impacted it the most (Europeans have really turned their backs on it).

    Writing to Mr. Harper may make you feel better, but trust me it is a waste of time. Give a guilt trip to a person wearing a seal coat, that will go a lot further.
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    Mar 16, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    Well jbedwards I think it must be a combined effort of changing public opinion on the issue but also getting government to outlaw this barbaric practice.
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    Mar 16, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    Aside from the economic fallout, the seal population is pretty much dependent on this hunt to cull their numbers - it's happened for far too long and now if they stop it outright....the seal population will explode and pretty much lay waste to an ecosystem. Keep that in mind when calling for an outright ban - this isn't something that can be stopped quickly, or easily.

    Also, as per my buddy from Nunavut, seals are not nice and deserve to die.

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    Mar 16, 2008 8:11 PM GMT
    Look at the bloody method in the video that they use to club them to death. I think this ban is requesting they stop that practice, I don't know if it calls to ban seal hunting completely, although I would favor an entire ban on any kind of hunting.
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    Mar 16, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
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    Hippie, I can't thank you enough for posting that video. Silly me I always thought to find Seal Clubbing you had to go to gay bars in San Diego. I had no idea they were in Canada.
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    Mar 16, 2008 9:45 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidWell jbedwards I think it must be a combined effort of changing public opinion on the issue but also getting government to outlaw this barbaric practice.


    Hippie4lyfe, I appreciate your anger at the seal hunt, I am not a fan of it either (after all animal fur coats in my family are a definite no-no), but as a Canadian friend who knows the politics here, trust me this Canadian PM won't listen, especially since the Newfoundland Premier is of the same political party.

    Perhaps pressuring your American politicians will do more good, especially if Mr. Obama gets into power. Harper will listen to the US President, especially one who has opined about tearing up or revising NAFTA. Stephen Harper is an economist by training and instinct, trade and business is very important to him.
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    Mar 16, 2008 9:53 PM GMT
    Look,

    BioMatty is right on.

    I'm not PC on many things but to stop hunting on anything whose population is otherwise unchecked is out and out stupidity. As humans we have to be shepherds of the environment when our other failings have damaged the controls nature has engineered to maintain a balance. I was born and raised a hunter with the mindset that if you cant eat it, wear it, and it isn't damaging property or causing disease to run rampant then leave it alone. My club is usually a bit larger though.

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    Mar 16, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    Humans are not helping by wiping out the seals natural predator, the shark. We need more sharks in the world!

    I agree though if the seals population gets out of control, they will starve to death if their food supply gets curtailed with global warming or overhunting (they eat fish I believe) or just as bad they will severely deplete the fish population.

    I still don't like the seal hunt though, it is kind of barbaric, if it was for food it would not be so bad, but it is mainly for fur to clothe rich people who do not know what to do with their money.
  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 16, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe, the outrage over the Canadian seal hunt is how and why they're killed, but the pressure is to ban the hunt, not the manner in whcih the seals are killed.

    A ban on the seal hunt is a ridiculous notion. People tend to forget that humans are a part of nature as well, and as was already mentioned, the seal hunt has become a part of the ecosystem. What's worse, killing selas or the collapse of an entire ecosystem?

    Yes, as much as I love wearing leather and fur, it sucks that these seals are being killed primarily for fashion. However, in that part of Canada the people that make their living hunting seals have very little options. What about the Inuit that hunt seals for food and clothing? What do you purpose they do when it becomes illegal for them to hunt for their food?Does PETA have a plan in place to present to the Canadian government, one in which the economy and people lives in that area aren't ruined because of the ban?

    Doubtful, the downfall of PETA is that they all too often put the wellbeing of animals first without considering the wellbeing of humans.

    It's great to have strong convictions, but there is so much more to consider with this matter than just the death of some animals.



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    Mar 16, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    "It's great to have strong convictions, but there is so much more to consider with this matter than just the death of some animals."

    I have been following this site for about six months and I have gotten to the point that I fail to see the difference between the young man who starts this kind of thread and the Jehovah's witness who rings my doorbell on Sunday morning.

    Fred Phelps has strong convictions, so does Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and so on. I am sure Stalin was about as convinced as one could possibly be.

    Free flowing discussion forum or not, this youngster has repeatedly tossed hand grenades into the forums and stood back to watch the gore (er Al Gore).

    This is pretty tiresome and it is oh so predictable.

    Your right, convictions are cool, but decent behavior trumps cool. Endlessly pissing in the pool because one is a convinced -whatever- is just not cool.

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    Mar 16, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    The more frightened they are of their demise, the more delicious is the meat.
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    Mar 16, 2008 11:53 PM GMT
    Well, that's just sick. Even I can't believe what I just posted. That was sick, McGay, SICK SICK SICK!
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    Mar 17, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    looking for an SNL skit (Brian Fellows Animal Safari with Rev. Al Sharpton on it) i've now come across a new band i like. the Seal Cub Clubbing Club. Check 'em out.
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    Mar 17, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    McGay saidThe more frightened they are of their demise, the more delicious is the meat.


    I love you
  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 17, 2008 1:03 AM GMT
    McGay saidThe more frightened they are of their demise, the more delicious is the meat.


    I'm a bit confused...are you talking about the seals or your dates?
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    Mar 17, 2008 2:19 AM GMT
    Wow..."Kill the Messenger"

    Although Hippie, at times, can shock folks with graphic still photos, he refrained from posting horrific slaughtered baby seal still shots, instead opting to post a video illustrating the horrific practice of hunting baby seals -- No one has to watch it. (Looks like he is spreading a message without catching anyone by surprise -- I would say he's tempered his approach with this group and deserves some respect).

    FACT 1: The majority of Canadians are against the commercial seal hunt!

    FACT 2: Canada's commercial seal hunt is the largest and most brutal slaughter of marine mamals on Earth.

    FACT 3: 97 percent of the baby seals killed are under 3 months of age and the majority are under 4 weeks old.

    FACT 4: An independent veterinary panel studied the commercial seal hunt. They concluded that 42 percent of the seals examined may have been skinned whilst conscious.


    Dirty laundry abounds in many Nations, and this is Canada's and 4 other countries' dirty laundry. That is why other Nations are boycotting Canadian seafood and other industries, bringing financial pressure on the government to act humanely.

    JB: I don't agree with your first post because I don't think it matters whether or not the seals are "endangered," but I do appreciate your second and third posts :-)

    BioM: The "economic fallout" is insignificant compared to the loss of revenues from the boycott. The seal hunt "culls their numbers" and "will lay waste to an ecosystem...if stopped" plus, "seals are not nice and deserve to die." WHERE DO YOU GET THIS LINE OF THINKING? SO, LET'S GO OUT AND KILL ALL ANIMALS WHO ARE "NOT NICE?" WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE MCGAY?

    ShawnTO: There are alternatives to each of the questions you raise, plus there are numerous models in different countries to transition a small population's livelihood when an industry diminishes. And, "banning the seal hunt is a ridiculous notion" is an opinion that is not shared by the majority of Canadians. In addition, the boycott is a message from other Nations that it is unacceptable and those Nations are exercising their right not to do business with Canada while it engages in this practice.

    UrsaMajor: Surely, you can do better than demagoguing Hippie with "Fred Phelps" and "Stalin" because of his views on the "death of some animals." Millions and millions of people agree with Hippie on this one! If he is "pretty tiresome" and "oh so predictable," just stay out of the "pool, piss and all..." The guy is dead right on this issue -- picking and clubbing baby seals to death for the profit of meetig the fashion tastes of the arrogant is f**d up to almost all Nations and they have indicated such. Again, most Canadians abhor the commercial seal hunt. If you dismiss "the youngster" for "pissing in the pool," try taking me on -- I'm a big boy!

    McGay: Be vigilant, some of these guys would allow "McGay Hunting" -- according to them, you're "only an animal." icon_wink.gif

    Jms84: Step away from the computer, go to the medicine cabinet, and take your meds.

    Don't be mistaken into thinking this is a PETA only issue.

    Hippie, continue rocking the Hell out of the boat!



  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 17, 2008 2:34 AM GMT
    My opinion that banning the seal hunt is ridiculous may not be shared by millions of Canadians...and? Your point is what?

    I have to change my opinion because millions don't share it? I have to be a mindless follower, going along with the popular crowd because I'm incapable of thinking for myself?

    The four facts that you stated is not new information, and it doesn't change my opinion.

    Those models in different countries are all well and good, but it still does not address the issue I have with forcing people to abandon their cultural tradtions. The Inuit have been hunting seals for thousands of years for food and clothing, and that isn't something I see that needs changing. Nor do I feel I have any place in making a decision about how a culture chooses to live.




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    Mar 17, 2008 2:46 AM GMT
    ShawnTO saidMy opinion that banning the seal hunt is ridiculous may not be shared by millions of Canadians...and? Your point is what?

    I have to change my opinion because millions don't share it? I have to be a mindless follower, going along with the popular crowd because I'm incapable of thinking for myself?

    The four facts that you stated is not new information, and it doesn't change my opinion.

    Those models in different countries are all well and good, but it still does not address the issue I have with forcing people to abandon their cultural tradtions. The Inuit have been hunting seals for thousands of years for food and clothing, and that isn't something I see that needs changing. Nor do I feel I have any place in making a decision about how a culture chooses to live.


    The point is that the MAJORITY of Canadians are against it, and just because something is "cultural" doesn't excuse it -- history is full of those lame "cultural" excuses. Plus, the Inuits are NOT the point, the wholesale commercial hunt employing toruturous methods is the POINT. For example, Native Americans are exempted from the ban on whale hunts in the USA -- it is the commercial whale hunt that is illegal. Also, it is unacceptable to the "culture" of many of Canada's business partners (Nations) whose boycotts have cost Canada well over 10 times the revenue that the seal hunt brings in.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Mar 17, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    I think that we should spade the seals not club them...

    We could heart them also.


    I don't know if it is possible to diamond them.