Cut spending and raise taxes, but...

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    Nov 30, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    ...no specific plans.

    Correction: cut spending and raise taxes, but not where it touches my pocket.

    I recently did the NYT federal budget together with 2 friends, one Democrat and one Republican. I just gave them the rule that they have to justify their reasons about the choices they made. They came out with exactly the same ratio of tax increases and spending cuts: 50/50.

    However, the Republican did it purely by what would touch her pockets (e.g. don't cut military or Medicare but cut federal employee pay) , while the Democrat did it by thinking out loud what would happen to other people instead of his pockets.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/all-talk-voters-want-spen_n_789872.html
    No other item came close, although ironically, the highest-ranking reason to vote against a candidate was support for a specific spending cut advocated by many Republicans, "abolishing some federal agencies, including the Department of Education" (55% major reason to oppose).

    So we do have evidence that a large majority of voters would like to see cuts in "spending." But what spending do they want to cut?

    "I'm sure there's waste somewhere," said Terri Davis, 44, a travel company employee from Ashburn, Va. "But I like a lot of government programs that keep order in the streets, that do research about what's dangerous. A lot of things are worthwhile."

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    Nov 30, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    yea, we hate spending but love our entitlement programs!
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    Nov 30, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    tongun18 saidyea, we hate spending but love our entitlement programs!


    No kidding.
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    Correction: YOU can spend as much as you want, as long as I keep MY benefits.

    Corollary: I will spend as little as I want to cut YOUR benefits. icon_razz.gif

    Which is why taxing the rich is so popular, as it should be (99% vs 1%).
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    Well we do love our entitlements as Americans don't we .!!! even the TeaBaggers !! I have a few that could be done, lets start with Social Security, raise the limit (currently $98,000) over which no one pays into Social Security up to a limit of about $150,000 of taxable income. These earners get the most back out of social security so it would be fair to charge more. increase the retirement age for "classes" of employment up to 69 yrs of age. offic workers, attorney's, doctors, dentists who sit on their asses can work longer, those doing physical labor should retain the current age of 65 yrs old. The ones that have sedentary jobs can stand to work longer. Hell !!! I'm trying to be conservative surely the repugs can go along with that eh ?? LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Having spent most of my working life in Government employment, I can think of several things. For instance cut travel for government employees by 3/4's, most of it is a waste and with todays technology there is no reason for all the travel, lodging, meals expenses to continue, that would save billions. I remember one meeting 300 of us Housing Authority employees went to where we spent $30,000 for one evenings dinner, entertainment and "open bar" Just imagine what is spent accross the nation on this crap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for welfare, the programs are set up in a way that punishes any recipient if he dares to help himself to try to become self sufficient, he immediately loses all assistance and cannot make it. Leave a cushion in the system that promotes self sufficiency rather than punishes those who try. As it is now the recipients are slapped down when they try and rewarded when they remain totally dependent. While the cushion period of recipients may cost for a time, it would have an overall affect of more people trying because they would know there's safety in trying. that their kids won't do without and suffer months of doing without if they try but something goes wrong. Billions could be saved !!!! I'd bet on it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The biggest place to save would be at the pentagon, our troops are located in many unecessarry locations around the world, Close those bases, cut back at all remaining bases except for the most essential of personel, end the spending on weapons we don't need, and I'll bet there are hundreds of other places cuts could be made. The USA spends more than the rest of the world put together, we could cut this in half and still be safe. That's a few Ideas !!!!!!
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidCorrection: YOU can spend as much as you want, as long as I keep MY benefits.

    Corollary: I will spend as little as I want to cut YOUR benefits. icon_razz.gif

    Which is why taxing the rich is so popular, as it should be (99% vs 1%).


    I receive none of these "additional benefits" from the government. In other words, for every dollar I sent to Washington DC, I get far less in "benefits" than I am "purchasing."

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Didn't you drive on a road today? Maybe walk on a sidewalk today? Did you get mail today ? Did you turn on lights today? Eat safe food that you purchased at a store today ? If you drove, you used gas didn't you? Everything you did or touched today was in some way accomplished for your good or affected for your benefit by government, I know I know, Socialism is taking over isn't it !!!! So your tax dollars did go for some use of yours today.
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    C'mon I'm just playing devil's advocate. The "I" in those statements reflect at least some reasons why the poll got its results.

    You don't even want to know how much my Jan 15 quarterly payment is.

    SB, on the other hand, is like my Republican friend (who listens to Glenn Beck every single day):

    quoted since I can't see itI receive none of these "additional benefits" from the government. In other words, for every dollar I sent to Washington DC, I get far less in "benefits" than I am "purchasing."


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    Dec 01, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    Well then, SB, just quit your job and apply for welfare. You'll quickly see how magnificent those 'extra benefits' are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    (if you do, are you in for a shock)

    -Doug
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    You never read them. They're there. I've done so in the past will do so in the future. I can't help it if you naval gaze. icon_wink.gif


    ...and that's the usual lame argument you present when I've penetrated your callous shell. So thanks!

    -Doug
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    Dec 01, 2010 4:14 AM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidCorrection: YOU can spend as much as you want, as long as I keep MY benefits.

    Corollary: I will spend as little as I want to cut YOUR benefits. icon_razz.gif

    Which is why taxing the rich is so popular, as it should be (99% vs 1%).


    I receive none of these "additional benefits" from the government. In other words, for every dollar I sent to Washington DC, I get far less in "benefits" than I am "purchasing."



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    Dec 01, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    realifedad said
    southbeach1500 said
    q1w2e3 saidCorrection: YOU can spend as much as you want, as long as I keep MY benefits.

    Corollary: I will spend as little as I want to cut YOUR benefits. icon_razz.gif

    Which is why taxing the rich is so popular, as it should be (99% vs 1%).


    I receive none of these "additional benefits" from the government. In other words, for every dollar I sent to Washington DC, I get far less in "benefits" than I am "purchasing."

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Didn't you drive on a road today? Maybe walk on a sidewalk today? Did you get mail today ? Did you turn on lights today? Eat safe food that you purchased at a store today ? If you drove, you used gas didn't you? Everything you did or touched today was in some way accomplished for your good or affected for your benefit by government, I know I know, Socialism is taking over isn't it !!!! So your tax dollars did go for some use of yours today.


    Note that I wrote "additional benefits" ... I guess I didn't get my point across. I don't get anything beyond the "basic package" from the Federal government. There are millions in the USA who receive the "premium package" from the Federal government.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well lets think of it this way, there's a safety net system for you like for everyone else. If you suddenly have a health problem or an injury that keeps you from working then you can apply for disability and get help so you can survive. You would'nt want to take that away because while you may not be needing it now, there may come a time when you do. None of us have much promise of anything past the very next few minutes and even the next few minutes can end up lifechanging sometimes. everyone comes to a point where they're health goes to hell, its just a matter of when. Some are fotunate, some are not, so be glad its there.
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    Dec 01, 2010 6:56 AM GMT
    stoked to see privilege denying dude on RJ!