Apple pulls anti-gay app from App Store

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    Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
    I believe we had another thread about this here earlier, criticizing Apple for approving this app. Seems like Apple continues to be a better friend to gays after all, than many here want to acknowledge. Or who even want to admit that such right-wing groups that authored this app are anti-gay at all. Well, at least Apple understands their true agenda. YAY Apple! icon_biggrin.gif

    http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/30/5552779-apple-pulls-anti-gay-app-from-app-store

    Apple said in a recent statement that it removed the Manhattan Declaration from the App Store "because it violates our developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people."
  • metta

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    Dec 02, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
    Christian Group Asks Apple To Reinstate Pulled App

    http://www.cultofmac.com/christian-group-asks-apple-to-reinstate-pulled-app/71645
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    Dec 02, 2010 6:20 AM GMT
    Thanks for posting this--I was wondering how this was going to play out
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    Dec 02, 2010 5:58 PM GMT
    Is it really so bad? It's a set of FOUR questions, 2 of which have nothing to do with "gay," but yet it's labeled as an "anti-gay app." It's not like it's some sort of game where you shoot a gay kid. People just want to create an issue out of nothing.

    1. Do you believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman?
    2. Do you believe in protecting life from the moment of conception?

    A simple NO to those questions is still an option.
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    Dec 02, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
    Mepark saidIs it really so bad? It's a set of FOUR questions, 2 of which have nothing to do with "gay," but yet it's labeled as an "anti-gay app." It's not like it's some sort of game where you shoot a gay kid. People just want to create an issue out of nothing.

    1. Do you believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman?
    2. Do you believe in protecting life from the moment of conception?

    A simple NO to those questions is still an option.


    The app itself is not the problem. It is really about the gays and Christians fighting to getting their way.
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    Dec 02, 2010 7:35 PM GMT
    Why these self-identified Christian care so much? I don't get it! The Catholic Pope forbid their believers to wear condoms for sex. The result: population growth, leading to the earth depletion of resources, which lead to wars, killing in the name of religions. Gay is good for the earth. There are gay animals all over the animal kingdom. Wake up.
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    precurser4t saidWhy these self-identified Christian care so much? I don't get it! The Catholic Pope forbid their believers to wear condoms for sex. The result: population growth, leading to the earth depletion of resources, which lead to wars, killing in the name of religions. Gay is good for the earth. There are gay animals all over the animal kingdom. Wake up.


    In my personal experience, it's been pretty much self-entitlement. That and a lack of education. I took an animal behavior class in my high school and my teacher never discussed homosexuality in the animal kingdom, which is there. Hell- they even found the cause of homosexuality in some species (which basically was a brain rewiring).
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    Dec 05, 2010 9:14 AM GMT
    Mepark saidIs it really so bad? It's a set of FOUR questions, 2 of which have nothing to do with "gay," but yet it's labeled as an "anti-gay app." It's not like it's some sort of game where you shoot a gay kid. People just want to create an issue out of nothing.

    1. Do you believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman?
    2. Do you believe in protecting life from the moment of conception?

    A simple NO to those questions is still an option.


    ONly that the first question is SO evilly drafted: I do believe in the "sanctity" of hetreo marriage, just as I believe in the "sanctity" of homo marriage. Depends on what framework you bring to the question: people who are not anti gay marriage, but not very aware of such things, might answer yes when what they mean is "both... and..."
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    Dec 05, 2010 9:53 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI believe we had another thread about this here earlier, criticizing Apple for approving this app. Seems like Apple continues to be a better friend to gays after all, than many here want to acknowledge. Or who even want to admit that such right-wing groups that authored this app are anti-gay at all. Well, at least Apple understands their true agenda. YAY Apple! icon_biggrin.gif

    http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/30/5552779-apple-pulls-anti-gay-app-from-app-store

    Apple said in a recent statement that it removed the Manhattan Declaration from the App Store "because it violates our developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people."


    Apple approved it. They are only removing it, after the fact, because of bad PR which Steve Jobs said for people not to do if they have a problem with an app.. It's in his app development guidelines.

    He controls content of the app store like an Iranian official trying to be the morality police of what is acceptable and what is not.

    Have you paid attention to any of the controversy that has been going on over the past couple of years in regard to how Apple has treated developers and censored or banned apps or app content?

    Just do a google 'Apple Censorship' for some examples.

    Apple is not exactly gay friendly in regard to the app store. I don't understand how anyone can support or defend Apple's ideology in regard to how it wants to control information and technology. It's very 1984, exactly how Apple portrayed itself as not being in the 1980's.
  • Anto

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    Dec 05, 2010 9:55 AM GMT
    If people really cared so much about anti-gay apps like that then they would be petitioning Apple to remove religious apps that are inherently anti-gay, like Bibles with interpretations that condemn homosexuality and a host of other objectionable content.
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    Dec 05, 2010 10:05 AM GMT
    red lets not forget your many years of being anti gay! You yourself have told us that you used to promote all homosexuals where dirty. Now one only points this out as you have just put yourself up on a pedestal, criticising, another group for something yourself have a very long history of; just saying.

    But I myself a pure homosexual, for 45 years, am not sensitive ot insecure. Also I myself have never supported apply either!

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    Dec 05, 2010 10:13 AM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Mepark saidIs it really so bad? It's a set of FOUR questions, 2 of which have nothing to do with "gay," but yet it's labeled as an "anti-gay app." It's not like it's some sort of game where you shoot a gay kid. People just want to create an issue out of nothing.

    1. Do you believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman?
    2. Do you believe in protecting life from the moment of conception?

    A simple NO to those questions is still an option.


    ONly that the first question is SO evilly drafted: I do believe in the "sanctity" of hetreo marriage, just as I believe in the "sanctity" of homo marriage. Depends on what framework you bring to the question: people who are not anti gay marriage, but not very aware of such things, might answer yes when what they mean is "both... and..."


    I myself would have no issue with saying yes to both of those questions, and this would not make one anti gay, or self loathing either. Being in a homosexual relasionship for 20 years means I have no issues with gay unions, I just don't support it under the heterosexual institution of marriage, Civil Unions get my full support.
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    Dec 05, 2010 10:15 AM GMT
    Art_Deco,

    These links are more gay orientated but there are a whole host of issues that have come up in regard to how Apple treats developers, censors content, and tries to control information and technology on the iOS platform. I don't understand how people who support Apple don't see this sort of thing as very troubling and unsettling.

    Steve Jobs Releases His 10 Commandments

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    Apple Rejects Gay-Sightseeing App Over Gay Sights



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    Dec 05, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidred lets not forget your many years of being anti gay! You yourself have told us that you used to promote all homosexuals where dirty.

    How your incoherent post really relates to this thread is not clear to me.

    If you're referring to me in it, I never was anti-gay. In fact, in the US Army I was about as gay friendly as the regulations would allow me as an Officer. What I did say was that I didn't understand how gays actually lived at that time, having grown up with many of the gay stereotypes that straights hold.
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    Dec 05, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    Anto saidArt_Deco,

    These links are more gay orientated but there are a whole host of issues that have come up in regard to how Apple treats developers, censors content, and tries to control information and technology on the iOS platform. I don't understand how people who support Apple don't see this sort of thing as very troubling and unsettling.

    I read in one of your links that Apple's efforts are a "Disneyfication" of their apps. But Apple is a company, not the government, and is not governed by free speech considerations. If they want a Disney business model they are free to do so, just like Disney is. When Disney doesn't have the marchers in their Main Street Parade wearing thongs, is that troubling & unsettling to you? If you want thongs (or less) on your iPhone use the browser without parental controls, or upload pics from your computer, like I do.

    Jobs' view is that since online content on apple wireless devices is potentially available to all ages, they have to keep them as G-rated as possible. I really don't see a problem with this. And I still have gay search apps on my iPhone, which manage to provide the info I need without the risque content that Apple doesn't want.
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    Dec 31, 2010 7:48 PM GMT
    Apple Rejects Anti Gay Marriage App A Second Time

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/12/apple-rejects-anti-gay-manhattan-declaration-app-for-second-time.html
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    Jan 02, 2011 7:26 AM GMT
    Grindr is trying it's hardest not to get banned by erasing profiles with even a PG-13 word or picture in it. It pisses me off, but I understand they're under Apple's control. I wouldn't have a problem with it, except the app says you must be 17+ to have it. Well if you have to be 17+ then why the FUCK is it a PG app?

    And btw I TRULY appreciate the freedom to cuss on RJ. =)
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    Jan 02, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    I don't like Apples ambiguous "no porn" rule. According to them and most fuckwads in America, porn entails a nude or almost nude person. Meanwhile in Europe nudity is in teenage magazines.
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    Jan 09, 2011 10:35 AM GMT
    Art_Deco,
    So your stance on the issues brought up in the articles I linked to is that because Apple is not the government that what they are doing or have done is ok?
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    Jan 09, 2011 10:44 AM GMT
    metta8 saidApple Rejects Anti Gay Marriage App A Second Time

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/12/apple-rejects-anti-gay-manhattan-declaration-app-for-second-time.html


    Why does Apple reject this and not religious text apps which have been used to condemn homosexuality?
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    metta8 saidApple Rejects Anti Gay Marriage App A Second Time

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/12/apple-rejects-anti-gay-manhattan-declaration-app-for-second-time.html


    Why does Apple reject this and not religious text apps which have been used to condemn homosexuality?


    Cuz Apple is a retarded cunt. That's why.
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    Jan 09, 2011 1:16 PM GMT
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    Mepark saidIs it really so bad? It's a set of FOUR questions, 2 of which have nothing to do with "gay," but yet it's labeled as an "anti-gay app." It's not like it's some sort of game where you shoot a gay kid. People just want to create an issue out of nothing.

    1. Do you believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman?
    2. Do you believe in protecting life from the moment of conception?

    A simple NO to those questions is still an option.


    The app itself is not the problem. It is really about the gays and Christians fighting to getting their way.


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    Jan 09, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    Religion is evil and religious people are the scum of the eartn
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    Anto saidArt_Deco,
    So your stance on the issues brought up in the articles I linked to is that because Apple is not the government that what they are doing or have done is ok?

    Your small mind does not comprehend what I said. We'll try again.

    Apple is a corporation, and is therefore not bound by the same laws that control the operation of the US government. Apple may use whatever business model it likes, within the laws that govern US business. Consumers who disapprove of Apple's practices are free to buy elsewhere. These are business decisions, not matters of law or the US Constitution.

    As for whether what Apple has done regarding this anti-gay app is "OK" or not, I think on balance it's OK. Thousands of apps are constantly being submitted to Apple, the biggest app store in the world. Apple's app reviewers can make mistakes, despite the guidelines given to them.

    When these potential errors are pointed out, it goes up the chain to higher management for a decision. That's what happened here.

    What I do see is that more senior management at Apple pulled this offensive app when they became aware of it. Good, the system works. Whether Steve Jobs himself was personally involved or not I can't guess.

    The other thing I see at play in this thread here is brand loyalty. In my day the big deal was Ford vs. Chevy. You were either a Chevy man or a Ford man. Whatever you drove yourself was the Holy Grail, and the competition was crap, to Hell with any contradictory evidence & facts.

    So it is with Windows vs. Mac. It's rather obvious who the Windows guys here are, and they'd hate anything Apple does even if the computers levitated off the desk and magically granted us our every wish.

    It's just not creepy old geezers who can be set in their ways -- I remember teens who thought the same way about car brands. And so it is today with loyalties to modern technology.
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    Jun 04, 2011 4:53 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Anto saidArt_Deco,
    So your stance on the issues brought up in the articles I linked to is that because Apple is not the government that what they are doing or have done is ok?

    Your small mind does not comprehend what I said. We'll try again.
    Apple is a corporation, and is therefore not bound by the same laws that control the operation of the US government.


    That's not the point though.. It's like saying that it's ok for marriage to be illegal for gays because they are not legally considered a protected class by the government. The idea of it is wrong regardless if it's legal or not.

    I don't know why people like you who are so loyal to Apple think it's ok for a company like that to be determining what is morally and technologically acceptable for you to have or view on your own device. It's like the company has domesticated you as their pet.

    When these potential errors are pointed out, it goes up the chain to higher management for a decision. That's what happened here.

    Not quite, Apple has had to concede or face the negative PR over it - it changes things after the fact. It's not a mistake. Just look at excerpts from the developer guidelines I linked above. That ideology is coming from the top down, they aren't mistakes. It's Apple and it's ideological controls backfiring.

    In the guidelines it even states that people shouldn't go to the press with their complaints, but that is the only way certain issues have been resolved or even given in real concern or notice. Why should a company even be saying that to you?!