Gay Rights Political Donations Plummet Amid Contentious Congressional Session

  • metta

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    Nov 30, 2010 10:54 PM GMT

    Gay Rights Political Donations Plummet Amid Contentious Congressional Session

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/gay-rights-donations-plummet-amid-c.html
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    From the link: But others say the sharp decline is a function of the Obama administration and Democratic-controlled Congress failing to deliver on campaign promises to gay rights supporters.

    I agree with this assessment. The Dems were timid about gay rights, and let us down. They were afraid of losing votes in 2010, but ended up getting plastered anyway, when gays and Liberals failed to vote out of disillusionment.

    Meanwhile the anti-gay Right-Wing extremists were energized by the Teabagger movement, along with FOX news and other Right-wing media outlets. A strategic miscalculation of epic proportions that will go down in history as one of the greatest political errors in the US ever.

    At the same time, I wouldn't support those anti-gay agents here on RJ, whose illogical solution is: "The Democrats did a bad job of supporting you gays, so you should instead support your avowed enemies, the Republicans."

    Yeah, right. As I've written here before, just because we got nipped by the weasels, doesn't mean we should jump into the tank with the sharks.
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:39 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidFrom the link: But others say the sharp decline is a function of the Obama administration and Democratic-controlled Congress failing to deliver on campaign promises to gay rights supporters.

    I agree with this assessment. The Dems were timid about gay rights, and let us down. They were afraid of losing votes in 2010, but ended up getting plastered anyway, when gays and Liberals failed to vote out of disillusionment.

    Meanwhile the anti-gay Right-Wing extremists were energized by the Teabagger movement, along with FOX news and other Right-wing media outlets. A strategic miscalculation of epic proportions that will go down in history as one of the greatest political errors in the US ever.

    At the same time, I wouldn't support those anti-gay agents here on RJ, whose illogical solution is: "The Democrats did a bad job of supporting you gays, so you should instead support your avowed enemies, the Republicans."

    Yeah, right. As I've written here before, just because we got nipped by the weasels, doesn't mean we should jump into the tank with the sharks.


    This is just not true. Obama and the Congress have done more for gays in two years than any other administration in history. Whether or not you agree with what they prioritized (hate crimes), that is the truth. Marriage is never going happen legislatively at the federal level. That is probably a 10+ year fight and will require restacking the Supreme Court. Now, DADT is on the verge of repeal. So that leaves ENDA and Marriage as what will not have been accomplished in Obama's first two years.
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThis is just not true. Obama and the Congress have done more for gays in two years than any other administration in history. Whether or not you agree with what they prioritized (hate crimes), that is the truth. Marriage is never going happen legislatively at the federal level. That is probably a 10+ year fight and will require restacking the Supreme Court. Now, DADT is on the verge of repeal. So that leaves ENDA and Marriage as what will not have been accomplished in Obama's first two years.

    I believe it is all true. And DADT repeal is dead for as much as a decade or more. Indeed, if it is repealed, it will be by Republicans, who will return to the basic provisions of the UCMJ, which DADT tried to block, with the full banning of all gays from military service being reinstated.

    2012 will see more Republican Congressional gains, that will take years to reverse. Nor will the Supreme Court be "restacked" even if Obama wins a second term, or some other Democrat (go Hillary!). The Republicans will either control or dominate the Senate, and decide who sits in any Court vacancies that may occur.

    You need to be a political realistic, not an idealist. Everything I have predicted here regarding US politics has come to pass, despite the heavy criticism I have taken, and will continue to come true. The US is taking a long-term turn to the Right, and gays need to consider their survival strategies.

    I know the conventional wisdom about generational change, but there are more powerful forces at work that will neutralize it. The US Right Wing will be dominant in the first half of this century, and gays will be at great risk. I strongly urge US gays to consider their alternatives. Being a gay in the US will soon no longer be viable.
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    Nov 30, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidThe US Right Wing will be dominant in the first half of this century, and gays will be at great risk. I strongly urge US gays to consider their alternatives. Being a gay in the US will soon no longer be viable.


    Time for your meds.... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your pic suggests you've already taken yours.

    But your typical ad hominem attack on me, or others here, when you can't answer what we've written.
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    This is just not true. Obama and the Congress have done more for gays in two years than any other administration in history.


    Nonsense.


    did one blink?
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
    In many ways the advancement of marriage rights to same sex couples in Australia has taken a big step backwards, and will end up a black lash for the Greens, and the gay lobbyist, because the majority of Australian voters, don't want a change to the Marriage act, they want the Status Que to stay; and it will

    They also resent this "old topic" stifling more important issues that need to be addressed. But this will be the will of the majority; like in the US. If you want to live under a minority rule, more to Cuba, or even China.

    lets not forget what happend the last time gay activist help put a minority into power with a promise of advancement; Germany got Mr Hitler, us WWII.
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    Dec 01, 2010 4:33 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    This is just not true. Obama and the Congress have done more for gays in two years than any other administration in history.


    Nonsense.


    Please cite the administration that did more. Provide examples. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Citrushills

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    Dec 01, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    The Dems are timid on everything except compromise which the Republicans refuse to do. So, the result is that the Dems keep giving up their talking points in exchange for nothing. It has disintegrated into it almost being one party, the incumbent party, where nobody dares speak out courageously on anything lest they be ridiculed and loose their corporate campaign donations and possibly an election. So, re-election has risen to the highest priority for all those elected and the issues and causes that we vote them in for are not treated with the importance that they should be. Hopefully, both major parties totally split into two and we get a progressive/liberal Democrat elected--I would not bet on it happening that way. I just do not see any other way out of this mess.
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    Dec 01, 2010 5:09 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco saidThe US Right Wing will be dominant in the first half of this century, and gays will be at great risk. I strongly urge US gays to consider their alternatives. Being a gay in the US will soon no longer be viable.


    Time for your meds.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    No he needs to go and look at over the first half of his life, Oh this may make him worse than any of the conservatives he loves to bitch about, but then I suppose it helps him feel better, for all his own wrongs.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 01, 2010 5:50 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    I believe it is all true. And DADT repeal is dead for as much as a decade or more. Indeed, if it is repealed, it will be by Republicans, who will return to the basic provisions of the UCMJ, which DADT tried to block, with the full banning of all gays from military service being reinstated.


    Oh would you please STOP THE INSANITY!!! I feel confident that we are likely a few months, if not weeks from seeing the repeal, so just relax and quit with all the pessimistic doomsday babble.

    2012 will see more Republican Congressional gains, that will take years to reverse. Nor will the Supreme Court be "restacked" even if Obama wins a second term, or some other Democrat (go Hillary!). The Republicans will either control or dominate the Senate, and decide who sits in any Court vacancies that may occur.

    Coming from the cracked CRYSTAL BALL you purchased at "The Happy Store"? More doom and gloom --- the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! You're like a broken record of bleek forecasts.


    You need to be a political realistic, not an idealist
    . Everything I have predicted here regarding US politics has come to pass, despite the heavy criticism I have taken, and will continue to come true. The US is taking a long-term turn to the Right, and gays need to consider their survival strategies.

    Yes, by all means, man the battle stations!! Board up the doors and windows!!! Those mean nasty Republicans are coming to put us away!!!! Oh Good grieft!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

    I know the conventional wisdom about generational change, but there are more powerful forces at work that will neutralize it. The US Right Wing will be dominant in the first half of this century, and gays will be at great risk. I strongly urge US gays to consider their alternatives. Being a gay in the US will soon no longer be viable.


    Okay, you need to see someone for this paranoia, You've really become unhinged. Seriously...Now you're gloomy predictions stretch half a century? At what point do you become afraid to get out of bed...much less leave the house?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 01, 2010 6:04 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco saidThe US Right Wing will be dominant in the first half of this century, and gays will be at great risk. I strongly urge US gays to consider their alternatives. Being a gay in the US will soon no longer be viable.


    Time for your meds.... icon_rolleyes.gif




    Perhaps "The Meds" are the problem here. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 01, 2010 6:06 AM GMT
    Thank you for the laugh CJAZ---


    -loved your use of Mr. Deco's blue font---
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    Dec 01, 2010 6:10 AM GMT
    deanaane saidThank you for the laugh CJAZ---


    -loved your use of Mr. Deco's blue font---



    Hey, I thought it was MY blue font icon_lol.gif
  • Deano963

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    Dec 01, 2010 6:58 AM GMT
    Art_Deco:

    "2012 will see more Republican Congressional gains, that will take years to reverse."

    I'm sorry but no. Even if this did come to pass, it would likely only be on the House side and then only be due to Republicans surging at the right time and capturing control of most of the redistricting process. It will not be because America is in the midst of another generation rightward shift. On the contrary, demographic changes are quickly hurting the republican party nationwide, and the country is rapidly moving away from the republican party stance on almost all social issues like gay marriage. They couldn't defeat Harry Reid with his super-high negatives and an incredible 15% unemployment in Nevada (highest of any state) mainly b/c they went a few steps too far demagoging latinos. They have alienated that demographic to an insane degree and that is a HUGE tactical error. The bigoted Arizona law will do down in history as the beginning of the end of republicans in swing states with latino populations like Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Florida. Forget about Cali - a republican coulldn't get elected as rat-killer in that state anymore. Midterm electorates are always older and whiter. Electorates in Presidential election years are far more black, brown, young and female. One of the most underreported facts of American politics today is how wildly UNpopular the Republican party is - even MORE so than the Democratic party. (this is fact confirmed by many polls) They mainly won b/c many disillusioned democrats stayed home - as in they were pissed that Obama and the democrats were'nt liberal ENOUGH. This won't be the case in 2012 as Democratic turnout will be very high again due to Obama being up for reelection.

    Oh, and if the republicans are stupid enough to nominate Sarah Palin, 2012 will be 2010 in revers times 10.
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    Dec 01, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    Hey guys, notice the IF that SB started his post with. (he had to, or be a liar)

    -Doug