Israel's Gaza policy: massive long-term sadism toward a million and a half people

  • tokugawa

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    Dec 01, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
    Gisha.org recently managed to get released Israeli documents that spell out the blockade policies in Gaza and what underlies them. There was a deliberate policy of under-supply, of not letting in quite enough fuel to keep electricity going, of denying people ‘luxuries,’ of punishing them in petty ways that have nothing to do with Israeli security. Of treating the Palestinians of Gaza, including the little children, like so many Gimps.

    Full story: http://www.juancole.com/2010/11/gaza-as-israels-gimp.html
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    Dec 01, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    I'm not suprised and this kind of action by the Israeli's has gone on for years while the US because of the very strong Israeli lobby continues to condone it. Any effort to speak the truth and put a halt to it by our president or any other officials is quickly shot down as anti semetic, this is all a shame and one of the reasons we have so many problems in the Middle East. Thanks for bringing this up to us, the more the truth is exposed the better !!!
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidJews in Israel learn anything from the past? I wonder the Holocaust or the Warsaw Ghetto ring a bell?


    Nope and nope...



    "No Israeli has died since August 2004 because of a so-called terrorist attack from Hamas. Almost all of the casualties in recent months have been inside Gaza, when Israel invaded Gaza again… The key obstacle to peace in the Middle East is Israel’s occupation of land that belongs to other people." – President Jimmy Carter

    "People are scared in this country [America] to say wrong is wrong, because the Jewish lobby is powerful. Well so what! For goodness sake, this is God’s world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust… Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: What is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment." – Archbishop [Emeritus] Desmond Tutu

    "In the thirties when Nazi policy was to expel the Jews from Germany, it is well documented how the Zionists cooperated by working together – yes together – with the Nazi authorities to evacuate 'suitable' Jews, i.e. young healthy pioneer material, from Germany to Palestine." - Rabbi Aharon Cohen

    http://www.thepalestiniansholocaust.com/hitler-yesterday-israel-today
  • tokugawa

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    Dec 05, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    IanCT said"In the thirties when Nazi policy was to expel the Jews from Germany, it is well documented how the Zionists cooperated by working together – yes together – with the Nazi authorities to evacuate 'suitable' Jews, i.e. young healthy pioneer material, from Germany to Palestine." - Rabbi Aharon Cohen

    http://www.thepalestiniansholocaust.com/hitler-yesterday-israel-today


    The story is told in the book, "The Transfer Agreement" by Edwin Black.

    http://www.amazon.com/Transfer-Agreement--25th-Anniversary-Dramatic-Palestine/dp/0914153137/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291562795&sr=1-1

    Yes, both the Nazis and the Zionists wanted German Jews to move to Palestine, but obviously for different reasons.

    The Nazis allowed some 50,000 Jews (and $100 million of their assets) to emigrate to Palestine in exchange for preventing an organized, worldwide Jewish-led boycott against Germany. Since the German economy in 1933 was an economic basket case, with unemployment around 50%, such a boycott had a good chance of toppling the Hitler regime in its first year, when it was the weakest.

    A similar senerio occurred in Hungary in 1944 in which a relatively small group of Jews were allowed to escape to Palestine, while the masses were sacrificed.

    Rudolf Kastner "sold his soul to the devil" and worked with Nazis like Adolf Eichmann, who feared a "Second Warsaw" in Hungary, to allow 1,685 Hungarian Jews to escape in return for not warning Hungarian Jews of their imminent deaths in gas chambers. 437,000 Hungarian Jews were executed by the Nazis. see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Kastner
  • Webster666

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    Dec 06, 2010 12:00 AM GMT
    tokugawa saidGisha.org recently managed to get released Israeli documents that spell out the blockade policies in Gaza and what underlies them. There was a deliberate policy of under-supply, of not letting in quite enough fuel to keep electricity going, of denying people ‘luxuries,’ of punishing them in petty ways that have nothing to do with Israeli security. Of treating the Palestinians of Gaza, including the little children, like so many Gimps.

    Full story: http://www.juancole.com/2010/11/gaza-as-israels-gimp.html





    No, it's just keeping common career criminals and insane terrorists confined to a specific area where they can be the least danger to the peace loving people of Israel.


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    Dec 06, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    On and on goes the hateful spam propaganda.
    Not designed to make the situation better, but to demonize Israel, to spread anti-Israel hate.
    Not in the cause of peace, but in an attempt to rationalize and justify continuing the war to destroy the Jewish state.

    Just look how quickly the "topic" changed from the yellow journalism headline to an anti-Israel free-for-all.
    (See also "Godwin's Law").

    There are already plenty of topics on RJ to discuss the Arab-Israeli conflict.
    Unfortunately the "usual suspects" aren't very good at discussion (thus you can already see the personal attacks above).

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

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    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

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    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
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    Jaffa: 94% fled before entry of Israeli forces; 6% became Israeli citizens
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    Note especially how they have little to nothing to say in the peace topic:

    In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
    (Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

  • Webster666

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    Dec 06, 2010 6:31 AM GMT
    Hail, Caesarea4 !
    Thanks for posting the truth.
  • tokugawa

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    Dec 07, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidOn and on goes the hateful spam propaganda.
    Not designed to make the situation better, but to demonize Israel, to spread anti-Israel hate.


    WRONG!!

    It is not hateful to tell the truth.

    c4 has so much hate inside him that he feels that it is not necessary for him to tell the truth. Instead, c4 spews vile personal insults and name calling to all those who disagree with him. If c4 were confident in his assertions, there would be no need to engage in such dishonest debating tactics. One only need look at c4's last post to see who the real spammer is.

    And as a Jew, the truth is very painful to me that Israelis act in this fashion. The Zionists want all of British Mandate Palestine and won't stop until all of the Goyim (non Jews) are gone or politically neutered.

    All available evidence strongly supports the allegation that former Prime Minister Sharon said, "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America," is a true statement.

    source for quote: http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

    While Zionist groups strongly deny that Sharon made that statement, one indication of Jewish control of America's Mideast policy is President Obama's recent proposal to give Israel $30 BILLION worth of the most advanced fighter planes in the world, IN EXCHANGE FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE SETTLEMENT BUILDING FREEZE. This has to be the one of the most one sided offers in history, since in addition to the 90 day extension, Obama also promised that:

    1) The U.S. would NEVER ask Israel for another settlement freeze,

    2) The U.S. would use its political power in the U.N. to protect Israel against any action critical of Israel in the U.N. Security Council (the only U.N. entity which has the power to authorize the use of force,)

    3) Israel would be under no obligation to reach a peace settlement, or even to negotiate in good faith. All Obama asked for a 90 day freeze so that Palestinians return to the peace talks.

    DOES ISRAEL WANT PEACE?

    When Israeli Prime Minister Sharon was offered peace ON ISRAELI TERMS, he refused. Who ever heard of a country that wants peace, rejecting its own peace terms?

    Israel does not want peace because Israel is an expansionist state and has, at different times, attacked EVERY one of its neighbors. Israel has invaded Lebanon three times, and occupied Southern Lebanon for almost twenty years. Israel ILLEGALLY annexed East Jerusalem, despite Israeli membership in the United Nations, which prohibits its members from acquiring territory by military force. Israel occupies the West Bank and ILLEGALLY builds Jewish-only settlements there, despite specific prohibitions against settlement building in occupied territory which are contained in the GENEVA CONVENTIONS, which Israel agreed to honor.
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    Dec 07, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    Tokuqawa, thanks for posting this information, From everything I've read about Israel and its dealings with Palestine, I'm convinced that your promoting the truth, that I so wish could be spread to the public. America is so taken in by the Israeli lobby that it appears nearly impossible to get truth out, anytime the truth is told about crimes against the Palestinians, it is beaten back by accusations of anti Semite. Politicians fear those two words because of the Israeli Lobby, and their power of the press, and infiltration in our government, which combination can bring them down. Enter the Zionists, we have one here I believe, and he's convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't want the American public to know the truth. Franky I don't believe there will ever be peace in Israel and Palestine until the Lobby is done away with or weakened here in the US
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    Dec 07, 2010 4:17 AM GMT
    What a pathetically transparent argument. Damn the facts, realifedad's agenda is to undermine Israel.

    That Israel has made peace with Egypt & Jordan, has informal peaceful relations with other Arab & Muslim countries and is in negotiations with the Palestinian Authority (when the latter aren't walking out demanding unilateral Israeli concessions) is of no concern. Why bother with inconvenient facts when it is so much more fun to one-sidedly demonize Israel?


    Look how quickly the "topic" changed from the yellow journalism headline to an anti-Israel free-for-all.

    anti-Israel haters> [even more spam propaganda accusations.]

    ROTFL.
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    Dec 07, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> Stick with the topic. If you can't then leave this thread alone.

    ROTFL. That's exactly the point.
    No one has stuck to the "topic".
    The "topic" is to hate on Israel.
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    Dec 07, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> so many silly Americans blindly support Israel.

    The vast majority of Americans aren't "silly" (how offensive!) and support Israel for good reasons.


    sxydrkhair> Where do you see "hate on Israel" in this topic? I don't see it.

    Of course you don't.
    Neither did Archie Bunker consider himself a racist.
    He was just "calling a spade a spade."
    (Never mind if it was a spade, the context, or anything else.)
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    Dec 07, 2010 5:23 AM GMT
    Breaking News!
    Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay to recognize Palestinian state. The hell with Benjamin Netanyahu!

    Palestinians firefighters help Israel fight against the wildfire on Mount Carmel. Caesarea doesn't want to say Palestinians are good neighbor. Yeah we are evil according to him.icon_rolleyes.gif
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  • Webster666

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    Dec 07, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    Webster666 saidHail, Caesarea4 !
    Thanks for posting the truth.


    What truth? He has nothing intelligent to say about this thread and post useless anti-Palestinian links. That is called spam.




    No, "spam" is unwanted advertising.

    The truth is that the Jews and the Palestinians were each offered their own country.
    The Jews accepted.
    The Palestinians declined.
    And, the Palestinians have been trying to destroy Israel, ever since.
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    Dec 07, 2010 5:37 AM GMT
    Webster666 said
    sxydrkhair said
    Webster666 saidHail, Caesarea4 !
    Thanks for posting the truth.


    What truth? He has nothing intelligent to say about this thread and post useless anti-Palestinian links. That is called spam.




    No, "spam" is unwanted advertising.

    The truth is that the Jews and the Palestinians were each offered their own country.
    The Jews accepted.
    The Palestinians declined.
    And, the Palestinians have been trying to destroy Israel, ever since.


    They declined for reasons. EAST JERUSALEM, West Bank and Gaza belongs to Palestinians.

    You support illegal settlements? You support illegal annexation of East Jerusalem? You support illegal apartheid structures in the West Bank and Gaza Strip? You support ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? Who's destroying Palestinians now? Answer: ISRAEL.

    What next? Palestinians already give up half of Palestine to the Zionists and all they want the West Bank and the Gaza Strip including East Jerusalem.
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    Dec 07, 2010 5:40 AM GMT
    Let us not forget the Zionist Christians. They are Palestinian Christians worst enemy.
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    Dec 07, 2010 5:43 AM GMT
    Well above with C4 is a perfect example of whenever anyone is pointing out anything that doesn't go along with Israeli actions then its immediately anti semitic. Then there's a complete block to communiction because the likes of C4 keeps shouting ANTI SEMITIST so loud no one hears the facts that aren't anything to do with hating Israel, but everything to do with limiting wrongs from the Israeli side. We in our US government cannot continue to turn a blind eye to Israeli wrongs, while we horn in on anything wrong the Palestinians do. To continue this cycle to appease the very loud AIPAC and Zionists like C4, takes away from our crdibility as honest brokers of peace. Above C4 toutes current negotiations but he didn't mention that Obama promised not to bring up anything more about settlements and some other giveaways. This shit is sickening !!!! No peace can be won if you let one side walk all over the other side, then bargain only from a standpoint of what the dominating side wants. How many of us would go along to get along, with no retaliation, if we were treated similarly to the Palestinians? Remember when England had us in similar subservient treatment, we fought back and won independence. Just imagine though if the French had sided with everything the Brttish did against us no matter how out of line it was, then add if the French had given the Brittish money and arms to help them keep doing it to us. We Americans under those circumstances wouldn't have won independence would we !!!
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    Dec 07, 2010 6:34 AM GMT
    ianct> Palestinians firefighters help Israel fight against the wildfire on Mount Carmel. Caesarea doesn't want to say Palestinians are good neighbor. Yeah we are evil according to him.

    Do you ever ask yourself why you can't disagree with me without first completely misrepresenting what I say?

    Unlike your racist hatist ways, I have never generalized onto the entire group.

    I have spoken about the Arab terrorists (and their sypmathizers and supporters).
    Unlike you, I have never stated that the other side must ALL "get out", etc.

    I appreciate the help with the recent fire.
    For a bit of history:
    http://www.fire.uni-freiburg.de/iffn/country/il/il_3.htm
    Palestinians used fire as a means of their resistance movement as early as the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, but in the 1980s it was adopted as a highly visible action against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank. Arson was found to be easy to execute: all one had to do was cross the old border, which was unguarded and open to all, start a fire in one of the many forests which straddle the mountainous areas near the border, and then disappear. The occurrence of forest fires in areas adjacent to the old "Green Line" border between Israel and the West Bank was very frequent: in the years 1988-1990 between 288 and 388 forest fires were caused by arson and took place in areas near the old pre-1967 border

    Do you approve or condemn that political eco-terrorism?
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    Dec 07, 2010 8:32 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidianct> Palestinians firefighters help Israel fight against the wildfire on Mount Carmel. Caesarea doesn't want to say Palestinians are good neighbor. Yeah we are evil according to him.

    Do you ever ask yourself why you can't disagree with me without first completely misrepresenting what I say?

    Unlike your racist hatist ways, I have never generalized onto the entire group.

    I have spoken about the Arab terrorists (and their sypmathizers and supporters).
    Unlike you, I have never stated that the other side must ALL "get out", etc.

    I appreciate the help with the recent fire.
    For a bit of history:
    http://www.fire.uni-freiburg.de/iffn/country/il/il_3.htm
    Palestinians used fire as a means of their resistance movement as early as the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, but in the 1980s it was adopted as a highly visible action against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank. Arson was found to be easy to execute: all one had to do was cross the old border, which was unguarded and open to all, start a fire in one of the many forests which straddle the mountainous areas near the border, and then disappear. The occurrence of forest fires in areas adjacent to the old "Green Line" border between Israel and the West Bank was very frequent: in the years 1988-1990 between 288 and 388 forest fires were caused by arson and took place in areas near the old pre-1967 border

    Do you approve or condemn that political eco-terrorism?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let some Zionist Try to cage me in a concentration camp like environment like you Zionists are so proud of doing to the Palastinians and B'GAD's I'd be setting more than brush on fire !!! Now tell us about your Zionist motives here ? what are they, do you get paid or some 'perks'/'points' for your Zionist crap ??? What's it pay C4 ?? On another forum topic its been asked if Zionists Plant people int AIPAC and in the US in General to promote Zionist goals by PROPAGANDA. Do they ?? Your a Zionist, do tell ???
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    Dec 07, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
    realifedad> cage me in a concentration camp like environment like you Zionists

    Another brain-dead argument-by-soundbite/slogan from a fool consumed by his hate.

    Arabs in the disputed territories (and moreso in Israel) actually enjoy more political freedoms (ignoring recent PA & Hamas restrictions), a higher standard of living and a better quality of life than Arabs in neighboring countries. Which may well explain why people try to sneak IN to this "concentration camp" rather than escape from it.

    For example, recall that when the barrier separating Gaza from Egypt was knocked down a couple of years ago, Gazans rushed into Egyptian Rafah to buy luxury items... while Egyptians rushed into Gaza to buy basic food supplies.


    If one were truly concerned about the people involved, one would advocate for peace rather than attempt to, one sidedly, out of context and falsely accuse one party. The latter is done to oppose peace and rationalize/justify the continued war against Israel.
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    Dec 07, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite]realifedad>


    If one were truly concerned about the people involved, one would advocate for peace rather than attempt to, one sidedly, out of context and falsely accuse one party. The latter is done to oppose peace and rationalize/justify >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YES CEASEREA 4, your right here, if you ZIONIST's were'nt so one sided there would have been peace long ago !!>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so answer the questions above ?? WE ARE WAITING !!!!!
  • tokugawa

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    Dec 08, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    c4, in another of his attacks on anyone who questions Israeli policy, accidentally explains his own posting philosophy on RealJock:

    Caesarea4 saidAnother brain-dead argument-by-soundbite/slogan from a fool consumed by his hate.


    The level of c4's hate can easily be determined by his constant insults and name calling of people who disagree with him. An example of his extreme hate is when he accused me of supporting the execution of gays in Iran (without giving any evidence, of course.) NEWS FLASH, c4: I would not be posting here if that were true.

    Caesarea4 saidIf one were truly concerned about the people involved, one would advocate for peace rather than attempt to, one sidedly, out of context and falsely accuse one party. The latter is done to oppose peace and rationalize/justify the continued war against Israel.


    So, according to c4, saying that Israeli Prime Minister Sharon rejected peace BASED ON ISRAELI PEACE TERMS is actually "one sided," "out of context," and "falsely accusing one party."

    Exactly what is false? Is it:

    1) Sharon rejected peace? If false, than Sharon actually accepted the peace terms which the Palestinians accepted;

    2) Based on Israeli peace terms? If false, then Palestinians accepted something other than the last Israeli offer made at Taba.

    Since Sharon did reject peace based on ISRAELI TERMS, we can say:

    Israeli Prime Minister Sharon chose War over Peace

    Try as he can, c4 cannot dispute that Israel does not want peace, except a peace in which the Palestinians are completely subjugated, have no rights, can be indefinitely jailed without charge, and can be killed with impunity by Israeli security forces.