Creationist Theme Park Supported By Democratic Kentucky Governor

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    Dec 01, 2010 11:55 PM GMT

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/kentucky-creationist-theme-park_n_790283.htmlAccording to the Louisville Courier-Journal, the theme park's creators are currently seeking state tax incentives that could allow them to recover 25 percent of the facility's cost. Some are questioning whether such a stimulus would violate the separation of church and state.

    Lexington's WLEX reports that the attraction and its museums, theaters, amenities, event venues and outdoor parking will cost at least $150 million, and will take three years to build. Estimates suggest that the park could bring 1.6 million visitors annually and provide at least 900 new jobs to the area.


    Yet another instance where good business doesn't mean good science or good Constitutionality (state-funded religion). And yet another instance where political affiliation has no bearing on stupidity.

    Using similar arguments, one could argue for a white supremacy museum. It'll probably bring lots of jobs and money to that state or city.
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    Dec 02, 2010 12:38 AM GMT
    This is wrong.

    Shame on him.

    DINO?
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    What's so wrong about this is the following:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_BeshearAs attorney general, Beshear issued a controversial opinion that copies of the Ten Commandments would have to be removed from the walls of the state's classrooms in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Stone v. Graham.
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    His father, grandfather, and uncle were all Primitive Baptist lay ministers, and in his childhood years, Beshear attended both his father's church and the Christian Church where his mother was a member.[3] Beshear also accompanied his uncle, Fred Beshear, as he traveled around the county during several races for a seat in the state House of Representatives.


    The entries for 2010 are dominated by state budget shortfalls, which is probably where this concern for money comes from.
    Somebody enlighten me on what Primitive Baptists believe about creationism?
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    Some are questioning whether such a stimulus would violate the separation of church and state.


    Nuff said on this type of pork.......
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    I can't WAIT to see Mocktwinkie, Southbeach, CuriousJockAZ or any of the other Republicans decry this appalling big-government act.

    I'm literally holding my breath for their reasoned exposition of the value of governmental restraint, the wisdom of the founding fathers in separating church and state, the value of the Enlightenment, Rousseau, Voltaire, Alexis de Tocqueville and other wondrous luminaries....

    [I say: let them build it. The previous creationist museum was such a hoot!]
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    What big government? It's just the state of Kentucky. SB has no objection to states spending money on things.
    And it's not so much the overreach as what is actually being built that's scandalous.
    What if a Muslim group wanted to build a similar museum but along the lines of the Koran:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology#Islamic_creation_belief

    It'll bring in plenty of money (if not for the creationism, just having a Muslim museum would be a novelty in itself for Muslims to think about visiting it). What's the substantive difference between that and a Christian creationist museum?
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said

    It'll bring in plenty of money (if not for the creationism, just having a Muslim museum would be a novelty in itself for Muslims to think about visiting it). What's the substantive difference between that and a Christian creationist museum?
    not a damned thing..
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidWhat big government? It's just the state of Kentucky. SB has no objection to states spending money on things.
    And it's not so much the overreach as what is actually being built that's scandalous.
    What if a Muslim group wanted to build a similar museum but along the lines of the Koran:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology#Islamic_creation_belief

    It'll bring in plenty of money (if not for the creationism, just having a Muslim museum would be a novelty in itself for Muslims to think about visiting it). What's the substantive difference between that and a Christian creationist museum?


    When I said "let them build it", I did not intend that to mean they should build it with public money.

    But there is already a creationism museum, and it's terrible. And a Jesusland theme park, which is also terrible.

    Those of us who know better can laugh at their folly. But we should let them make their own Procrustean bed :-)

    That would go equally for a museum of Islam. Actually, I would be tempted to go to that---I'm fascinated by the Islamic mathematicians and their geometry. A period of remarkable achievement that contemporary Islam would do well to pay more attention to.
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    Where's Rand Paul when you need him in Kentucky?
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    ...and therein lies the trouble with allowing religion in gov't when 'freedom of religion' is part of a country's operating rules. (like Canada).

    It just goes to show that there are similarities in both parties, (although religion has a lot less of a stranglehold on the Democratic party than it does on the Republican party.)

    -Doug
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidWhere's Rand Paul when you need him in Kentucky?


    I have to admit---that ad made me want to vote for him [!!!!!!]
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    Dec 02, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    TigerTim said

    That would go equally for a museum of Islam. Actually, I would be tempted to go to that---I'm fascinated by the Islamic mathematicians and their geometry. A period of remarkable achievement that contemporary Islam would do well to pay more attention to.


    Good luck getting state money to build it. Let's build it next to ground zero. icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 02, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim said

    That would go equally for a museum of Islam. Actually, I would be tempted to go to that---I'm fascinated by the Islamic mathematicians and their geometry. A period of remarkable achievement that contemporary Islam would do well to pay more attention to.


    Good luck getting state money to build it. Let's build it next to ground zero. icon_twisted.gif


    What imagine a center dedicated to a moderate, tolerant version of Islam, and conveying American values like democracy, freedom and individual liberty to the Islamic world?!!??!

    What a manifestly DREADFUL IDEA!!!!! ;-)
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    What imagine a center dedicated to a moderate, tolerant version of Islam, and conveying American values like democracy, freedom and individual liberty to the Islamic world?!!??!

    What a manifestly DREADFUL IDEA!!!!! ;-)


    You mean as opposed to a theme park dedicated to a fundamentalist, intolerant version of Christianity, conveying American values like antiscientism, American exceptionalism and antihistoricism to the Christian world?!?!

    What an excellent idea. icon_lol.gif

    Let's bet which one goes out of business first.
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    Dec 02, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
    OH great...two brilliant men having a conversation with each other (Q and TT)

    Well, I think I'll just read from here on in and learn a thing or two.

    -Doug
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    Dec 02, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim said
    What imagine a center dedicated to a moderate, tolerant version of Islam, and conveying American values like democracy, freedom and individual liberty to the Islamic world?!!??!

    What a manifestly DREADFUL IDEA!!!!! ;-)


    You mean as opposed to a theme park dedicated to a fundamentalist, intolerant version of Christianity, conveying American values like antiscientism, American exceptionalism and antihistoricism to the Christian world?!?!

    What an excellent idea. icon_lol.gif

    Let's bet which one goes out of business first.


    I think there were mass protests to mine, alas :-(
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    Dec 02, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    It just goes to show that there are similarities in both parties, (although religion has a lot less of a stranglehold on the Democratic party than it does on the Republican party.)


    Actually this unfortunate incident reminds me that the roots of modern American liberalism were in William Jennings Bryan, that untidy thinker who singlehandedly turned around the fate of the Democratic Party but was also the winner of the Scopes trial. I remember learning about him in American history and he was my favorite underdog until we got to the part about Scopes.

    And what's this that Ted Strickland (outgoing Democratic Ohio governor) was saying today to Obama?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/exclusive-ted-strickland-_n_790489.html"I think there is a hesitancy to talk using populist language," the Ohio Democrat said in a sit-down interview with The Huffington Post. "I think it has to do with a sort of intellectual elitism that considers that kind of talk is somehow lacking in sophistication. I'm not sure where it comes from. But I think it's there. There's an unwillingness to draw a line in the sand."


    Sad days for the USA when populism is needed to get through to people. I thought 100 years of rising education levels have changed that, but maybe not. Maybe we're not teaching the right things in public schools.
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    Dec 02, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    He must be a democrat that stands to the right, as not all stand to the left, and are atheists. Just as not all conservatives are Christians either. Help creat a balance. So long as they don't stop me from going to the museum, I really don't care. You may call this diversity.
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    True_blue_aussie saidHe must be a democrat that stands to the right, as not all stand to the left, and are atheists. Just as not all conservatives are Christians either. Help creat a balance. So long as they don't stop me from going to the museum, I really don't care. You may call this diversity.


    Seconal and Vegemite don't mix, apparently.
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    Dec 02, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidThis is wrong.

    Shame on him.

    DINO?


    Why is it wrong?

    Good for him.