Goodbye DADT

  • Mepark

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    Dec 03, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    With this breaking news, I think so. Maine ladie(s) are probably on board as well. If it doesn't pass, then the blame shifts to Reid.
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/03/5574198-brown-to-support-dont-ask-repeal
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    Dec 03, 2010 7:28 PM GMT
    Those EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)
  • rioriz

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    Dec 03, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    I don't see it happeneing until 2012 at the earliest. The joint cheifs are all agreement that if it happens they will need proper time to come up with training and educaiton to promote sensitivity and ready to troops for a new environment. They stated their fear for having to pull troops from the battlefield in order to educate them about the new climate of the armed forces.

    I happen to agree with their opinion of it being rolled out slowly so as to not disrupt any current fighting and battle plans. So to have it fully implemented by 2012 would be ideal.
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    Dec 03, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    Good to hear this Mepark, thanks for posting. As for being a big deal for the guys on the front to handle DADT once repealed, I don't think it will be a big deal at all. What gay guys are gonna go announcing they like dick? They'll go on keeping their sexual desires to themselves, but they will not have to worry that some "dick"head will turn them in for some personal "paybacks". For the jocks who don't like it, they can try picking on some muscular gay guys at their own risk. LOL !!! Life will go on. I'm sure when the military ended discrimination against Blacks that there were bigots who used the N word and got their asses whipped for doing it. People will deal with it, bigotry won't win out in the end. for the guys on the front lines, when someones shooting at them, they couldn't care less if the guy next to them fingers another guys ass, or a pussy, just so he knows how to use his "trigger" finger.
  • creature

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    Dec 03, 2010 11:25 PM GMT
    How would the blame shift to Reid if it doesn't pass?
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    Dec 03, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThose EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)


    Yet the democrats stared this whole thing, and still it's the Republicans fault?
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    Dec 03, 2010 11:35 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said
    mocktwinkie saidThose EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)


    Yet the democrats stared this whole thing, and still it's the Republicans fault?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well let me clear this up for you, Clinton started this because it was far better than the way it would have been if he hadn't put this DADT forward as a compromise with the republicans.
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    Dec 03, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    True_blue_aussie said
    mocktwinkie saidThose EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)


    Yet the democrats stared this whole thing, and still it's the Republicans fault?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well let me clear this up for you, Clinton started this because it was far better than the way it would have been if he hadn't put this DADT forward as a compromise with the republicans.


    None the less it was the brain child of the democrats, and they have to own it, and take the flack too! If they where so dumb to play into the hands of the Republicans, if that was the case, then they have too own that as well. But sadlly instead of owning it, many just want to pass the buck and blame the Republicans.
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    Dec 04, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said
    realifedad said
    True_blue_aussie said
    mocktwinkie saidThose EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)


    Yet the democrats stared this whole thing, and still it's the Republicans fault?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well let me clear this up for you, Clinton started this because it was far better than the way it would have been if he hadn't put this DADT forward as a compromise with the republicans.


    None the less it was the brain child of the democrats, and they have to own it, and take the flack too! If they where so dumb to play into the hands of the Republicans, if that was the case, then they have too own that as well. But sadlly instead of owning it, many just want to pass the buck and blame the Republicans.



    Nonetheless, as a pure homosexual, I have to remind you that today it is not a Democrat leading the charge to keep DADT, but John McCain. Democrats Bill Clinton and Sam Nunn are no longer in office, so lets deal with today. In the last vote in the Senate there was not one Republican who voted to repeal DADT. So I guess they really are to blame. Back in the 90's, many Republicans sure seemed to dislike DADT, so it is funny how most now seem to love it and are so fond of keeping it place.( I too play the game of then and now)
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    Dec 04, 2010 12:25 AM GMT
    Well, I'll make no excuses for the Repubs, or the Dems. but we the public are stuck with it the way it is and change can only come slowly. Sadly Its money that moves legislation, both parties are moved prmarily by money in nearly every situation, but the Repubs are particularly leaning toward Big money interests/Corps. It comes down to the "system" is crooked as hell, so when any social issue or whatever comes up, it really does depend on who is spending the most money to move legislation in their direction. That's a lot of what happened back in the 90's, there was a lot of pressure against the gays back then, so we were lucky to get anything from the Repubs. That's kinda the way it is in a nutshell, oversimplified though to a large degree. So how do you like America now ?? LOL
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    Dec 04, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    Via my work, I get to hang and chat with many ex servicemen, from WWII, Vietnam, and so forth. I was talking about this topic to a few of them not so long ago, to get their thoughts on this topic, and one was very clear to me, that if they had of obeyed the rules and not joined, the armed services, when they well knew they where not welcome, this would never of been an issue.

    Not say I agree, but it was a point I have since thought about.
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    Dec 04, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    Well whatever we may think, good or bad about any particular war, I'm glad for every member of the armed services, and glad for our gay members especially, because they've got to be even more devoted to serving to survive, I'd be willing to bet that the gay members are some of the best because if anything, they try harder to excell than the rest. These guys are MEN in every sense of the word.
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    Dec 04, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    rioriz saidI don't see it happeneing until 2012 at the earliest. The joint cheifs are all agreement that if it happens they will need proper time to come up with training and educaiton to promote sensitivity and ready to troops for a new environment. They stated their fear for having to pull troops from the battlefield in order to educate them about the new climate of the armed forces.

    I happen to agree with their opinion of it being rolled out slowly so as to not disrupt any current fighting and battle plans. So to have it fully implemented by 2012 would be ideal.

    I disagree. All this training bullshit is just stalling. Let the fucking courts declare it unconstutional and get on it.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 04, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    Like we have to be THANKFUL that a lone republican isn't doing what the rest of his party is doing???

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    This is the measure of political sanity in this country?????????

    Scott Brown .... if we didn't need your vote you can take your token republican ass and take a hike
  • mybud

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    Dec 04, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThose EVIL REPUBLICANS! ;)


    Your learning brah....
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    Dec 04, 2010 3:04 AM GMT
    We await the repeal with baited breath.
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    Dec 04, 2010 7:28 PM GMT
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    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htmFor those who know the older spelling or who stop to consider the matter, baited breath evokes an incongruous image; Geoffrey Taylor humorously (and consciously) captured it in verse in his poem Cruel Clever Cat:

    Sally, having swallowed cheese,
    Directs down holes the scented breeze,
    Enticing thus with baited breath
    Nice mice to an untimely death.

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    Dec 04, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidWe await the repeal with baited breath.



    Oh, sorry. Let me go rinse with some Listerine.
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    Dec 05, 2010 12:03 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidbated?icon_razz.gif

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htmFor those who know the older spelling or who stop to consider the matter, baited breath evokes an incongruous image; Geoffrey Taylor humorously (and consciously) captured it in verse in his poem Cruel Clever Cat:

    Sally, having swallowed cheese,
    Directs down holes the scented breeze,
    Enticing thus with baited breath
    Nice mice to an untimely death.



    Well, anything the Republicans touch is likely to be a little fishy ;-)
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    Dec 13, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 17, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
    HeartRobb saidIn the last vote in the Senate there was not one Republican who voted to repeal DADT. So I guess they really are to blame.



    This statement simply is disingenuous. The Senate has yet to actually VOTE for repeal of DADT. The media and many here like to spin the vote for the military appropriations bill as a "Vote for DADT", but this simply is not true. DADT was but a tiny fraction of the larger bill it was wrapped in, and the bill was voted down for many reasons, none of which had the least bit to do with DADT. Blame the Democrats for doing it this way. Blame Senator Reid for calling for a vote on this not once, but TWICE, when he knew it would fail. Finally, what seemed like a no-brainer, DADT is being brought up for the "stand alone" vote it deserves (nudged along I might add by Independent Senator Joe Lieberman and Republican Senator Susan Collins) and this is when it is most likely going to be repealed. Stay tuned.
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    Dec 19, 2010 3:29 AM GMT
    So hopefully all the "I hate every Republican" idiots on this board will come to understand that EIGHT Republicans voted in favor to repeal DADT. So no, not all Republicans are bad. Just most. Some of them who wanted DADT to be a SEPARATE bill and NOT amended to a bunch of other bill crap kept their word on their vote when the bill was finally reintroduced as a separate bill, which is should have been in the first place.
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    Dec 19, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidSo hopefully all the "I hate every Republican" idiots on this board will come to understand that EIGHT Republicans voted in favor to repeal DADT. So no, not all Republicans are bad. Just most. Some of them who wanted DADT to be a SEPARATE bill and NOT amended to a bunch of other bill crap kept their word on their vote when the bill was finally reintroduced as a separate bill, which is should have been in the first place.

    Realize Congress and O had to repeal in order to keep control of the process in the military. If the didn't act, the courts would have ruled it unconstitutional and it would have ended immediately and out of military control. O and Congress had no choice. O even said he wanted Congress to do it or the courts would. So just enough Repubs had to vote to pass it and they could cover their asses by voting against it.

    And now we are to shut up while they fuck us over in implementation. This isn't going to go well.
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    Dec 19, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    JAKEBENSON saidSo hopefully all the "I hate every Republican" idiots on this board will come to understand that EIGHT Republicans voted in favor to repeal DADT. So no, not all Republicans are bad. Just most. Some of them who wanted DADT to be a SEPARATE bill and NOT amended to a bunch of other bill crap kept their word on their vote when the bill was finally reintroduced as a separate bill, which is should have been in the first place.


    Good post!

    I wish the liberal hens on here were able to think as clearly and post as honestly as you just did.

    Bravo!


    I may be a liberal, but I'm not a hen. Another cheap shot from you.

    Yes, eight Republicans did vote for the repeal of DADT. My liberal cap is off to them for coming to their senses and not voting the way their lame-brained fellow right-wingers told them too (or how Cluster Fox News told them how).

    And...to the one perched above me in this post, there are Republicans I DO like. Those that have brains. Those that care. Those that dismiss the loud, inaccurate, evil bile that Faux News, the US Chamber of Commerce and the Tea Baggers love to vomit.

    Finally, to SB here: I think you should send a demo tape to Fixed News sometime. They would love you. Glenn Beck can be your power bottom.

    (save Gregg Jarrett for me....he's hot)
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 19, 2010 3:55 AM GMT
    Caslon17000 said
    And now we are to shut up while they fuck us over in implementation. This isn't going to go well.



    I can't for the life of me understand all this pessimism --- WTF?!?! icon_eek.gif Stop the insanity for God's sake. Even most in the military wanted this repeal passed. This is going to go very well and I suspect people will be asking themselves more in the months to come something like "What the HELL was all the fuss about and why didn't we do this a LONG time ago?".