R.I.P. Elizabeth Edwards.

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    Dec 07, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
    I figured I'd let you read about it on the source of your choice.

    So much strength, so much sadness.
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    Dec 07, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    Really sad about this. Through her illness and personal life, she had to endure a lot over the last few years, but she always held her head up high.
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    Dec 07, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    Hospice is often initiated too late. To suffer with chemo and radiation for the last few weeks or days of your life, or to spend more time with family with better pain control? Mixed in there is also a reason why healthcare is so expensive in this country:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125012322203627701.html About 5% of Medicare beneficiaries die each year, according to a 2001 study published in Health Affairs. But spending during the last year of life accounted for 27.4% of total Medicare spending, the report found. Government data crunchers say this report is the most comprehensive measure of this spending to date.


    There's no one-size-fits-all health care. But for me, I'm going to tattoo somewhere on my body: "DNR" when the time comes. I don't trust pieces of paper interpreted by lawyers and family who can't let go.
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    Dec 07, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
    Good points, Q, as always. Elizabeth Edwards was classy from beginning to end. My cousin Shirley faced a similar choice when she had pancreatic cancer. Spends tens of thousands trying to buy a couple of more weeks of pain and suffering, thereby probably bankrupting her family, or opt for home hospice care. She went for the latter and I've always admired her courage and integrity when it came to caring for her family.

    I like to imagine my Mom welcoming Elizabeth to the other side. Two powerful, awesome ladies who loved their family and had an impact on the lives of all they met.

    Elizabeth Edwards, RIP

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    Peggy Lillis (my mother), RIP

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    Dec 07, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    It's pretty sad when anyone dies from cancer. I hope her children appreciate the guidance she left them, as it was very thoughtful.
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    Dec 07, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidGood points, Q, as always. Elizabeth Edwards was classy from beginning to end.


    Sorry to break up the love-in but, ummmm.... no she wasn't.

    She threatened to cut off health insurance to her husband’s 2008 campaign staff if her family didn’t get it first. (Halperin's book)

    From close Edwards aide Andrew Young

    ... Elizabeth Edwards as shrill and demanding, saying she asked him to do tasks such as set up the family's Christmas tree and oversee repairs to the couples homes in Raleigh and on Figure Eight Island.

    She repeatedly threatened to fire him when she was angry at her husband, he says, and as the scandal of the Hunter affair grew, she accused him of all sorts of wrongs, including stealing her dead son's baseball cards.

    Real "classy" huh..... icon_rolleyes.gif

    OK, ready for all the attacks. icon_lol.gif





    The feces she no doubt expelled at the moment of her death had more class than you'll ever attain, SB.

    You LIVE for the attacks. And that's just pathetic.

    I'm glad you support the enemy; I'd hate to have you on our side.
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    Dec 08, 2010 12:03 AM GMT
    Whatever was done between them good, bad or indifferent, she's been on hospice for several days to pass on as painlessly as possible and you can bet that the family left anything but her best interests in those last moments alone. My family and I watched my mother pass away in August over multiple cancers, with us were a wonderful group of supportive Hospice workers, that kept us informed of what expect, gave support, and really were concerned. Mom wanted DNR and we honored it, painful to watch, but I wouldn't want it any different either, so I am sure that in spite of any problems they supported each other. There comes a time when the bad behaviors of the past amount to nothing when your loved one is leaving you shorter breaths at a time. So lets just let her rest in peace..
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    Dec 08, 2010 12:12 AM GMT
    She was a very classy lady who handled adversity with grace.
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    Dec 08, 2010 12:17 AM GMT
    Very sad to hear of her death
    She went through a lot of tough times in her life
    from the death of her son
    to the death of her marriage ... and public humiliation
    to the pain of metastatic cancer

    I hope she's doing well where ever she is now
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidGood points, Q, as always. Elizabeth Edwards was classy from beginning to end.


    Sorry to break up the love-in but, ummmm.... no she wasn't.

    She threatened to cut off health insurance to her husband’s 2008 campaign staff if her family didn’t get it first. (Halperin's book)

    From close Edwards aide Andrew Young

    ... Elizabeth Edwards as shrill and demanding, saying she asked him to do tasks such as set up the family's Christmas tree and oversee repairs to the couples homes in Raleigh and on Figure Eight Island.

    She repeatedly threatened to fire him when she was angry at her husband, he says, and as the scandal of the Hunter affair grew, she accused him of all sorts of wrongs, including stealing her dead son's baseball cards.

    Real "classy" huh..... icon_rolleyes.gif

    OK, ready for all the attacks. icon_lol.gif



    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    realifedad said So lets just let her rest in peace..


    Amen to that.
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    ugh, her husband's mistress still alive. May God bless her soul
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
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    HeartRobb said
    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.


    Look, I didn't write the books about her. You are acting like I'm making this stuff up!

    I was responding to a specific assertion made by Christian73 that Elizabeth Edwards was "classy."

    The fact is, she wasn't.

    But let's all just keep pretending that she was cuz it makes us feel good.


    Do you take everything you read as fact? Explains alot.
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    HeartRobb said
    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.


    Look, I didn't write the books about her. You are acting like I'm making this stuff up!

    I was responding to a specific assertion made by Christian73 that Elizabeth Edwards was "classy."

    The fact is, she wasn't.

    But let's all just keep pretending that she was cuz it makes us feel good.


    Do you take everything you read as fact? Explains alot.


    Do you know who Mark Halperin is?


    Yes. Unless there is audio or video documenting the specific incidences in the book, they are not fact- just hearsay. Don't believe everything you read.
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:48 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    southbeach1500 said
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    southbeach1500 said
    HeartRobb said
    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.


    Look, I didn't write the books about her. You are acting like I'm making this stuff up!

    I was responding to a specific assertion made by Christian73 that Elizabeth Edwards was "classy."

    The fact is, she wasn't.

    But let's all just keep pretending that she was cuz it makes us feel good.


    Do you take everything you read as fact? Explains alot.


    Do you know who Mark Halperin is?


    Yes. Unless their is audio or video documenting the specific incidences in the book, they are not fact- just heresay. Don't believe everything you read.


    Then I guess you don't believe very much that is published in the New York Times, Washington Post or Wall Street Journal. Sorry, but your journalistic standards are impossibly high. Halperin is a credible author / journalist.


    Maybe you should try raising your standards. Would be an improvement.
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    Dec 08, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Maybe you should try raising your standards. Would be an improvement.


    On what are you basing your assertion that Mark Halperin isn't credible? Because he reported something that didn't portray a Democrat in a favorable light?

    What are you basing your assertion that his opinions are indeed facts?
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    Maybe you should try raising your standards. Would be an improvement.


    On what are you basing your assertion that Mark Halperin isn't credible? Because he reported something that didn't portray a Democrat in a favorable light?

    What are you basing your assertion that his opinions are indeed facts?


    Because his book in which he reported it is non-fiction. It's not "his opinion" at all.


    LOL. It's his opinion of Elizabeth Edwards. Not hard documented facts.
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
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    catfish5 said
    Maybe you should try raising your standards. Would be an improvement.


    On what are you basing your assertion that Mark Halperin isn't credible? Because he reported something that didn't portray a Democrat in a favorable light?

    What are you basing your assertion that his opinions are indeed facts?


    Because his book in which he reported it is non-fiction. It's not "his opinion" at all.


    LOL. It's his opinion of Elizabeth Edwards. Not hard documented facts.


    No, it's not. How can you say an assertion is an opinion?


    Anyone who’s read Halperin characterization of Elizabeth Edwards knows that Halperin isn’t exactly averse to making big assertions backed by little evidence (at least, little cited evidence).
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:12 AM GMT
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    HeartRobb said
    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.


    Look, I didn't write the books about her. You are acting like I'm making this stuff up!

    I was responding to a specific assertion made by Christian73 that Elizabeth Edwards was "classy."

    The fact is, she wasn't.

    But let's all just keep pretending that she was cuz it makes us feel good.


    I don't care if you love or hate her...no matter what the facts are about someone who has passed, saying these types of comments disgust me. Just let it go for this moment. Every person has flaws, and when someone goes, it is not the time to bring them up. When you go, I hope people don't only speak of your lack of sympathy and compassion but the qualities you wish to be remembered by.
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    I certainly had a great deal of respect for her and what she went through.
    Very sorry to hear about her condition (yesterday) and now her death.
    She will be missed.
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:21 AM GMT
    I always loathed John Edwards, and never really thought he deserved someone like Elizabeth Edwards. The pain he caused her during the last years of her life is unforgivable. Yet, through it all, as sick as she was, she showed real courage, class, strength and grace. I was truly saddened to hear of her passing today, but at least her own personal physical and emotional pain has ended.
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    jprswim saidI don't care if you love or hate her...no matter what the facts are about someone who has passed, saying these types of comments disgust me. Just let it go for this moment. Every person has flaws, and when someone goes, it is not the time to bring them up. When you go, I hope people don't only speak of your lack of sympathy and compassion but the qualities you wish to be remembered by.


    Agreed.
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HeartRobb said
    In the real world outside of this internet world are you this cold all the time? Do you lack any compassion the way you do here on RJ? I hope not. It would be very sad.


    Look, I didn't write the books about her. You are acting like I'm making this stuff up!

    I was responding to a specific assertion made by Christian73 that Elizabeth Edwards was "classy."

    The fact is, she wasn't.

    But let's all just keep pretending that she was cuz it makes us feel good.
    You have never learned when to keep your trap shut.. there ARE times ya know..
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    Olympian said
    jprswim saidI don't care if you love or hate her...no matter what the facts are about someone who has passed, saying these types of comments disgust me. Just let it go for this moment. Every person has flaws, and when someone goes, it is not the time to bring them up. When you go, I hope people don't only speak of your lack of sympathy and compassion but the qualities you wish to be remembered by.


    Agreed.
    AGREED as well.. STRONGLY
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    Dec 08, 2010 2:38 AM GMT

    Of all the qualities I admired in Elizabeth Edwards I mostly admire the way she left this world. She set such a great example of living with a terminal illness by facing it with grace and dignity. It's too bad one particular person on this forum can't acknowledge those qualities.