For Those That Think illegal Drugs....Do No Harm :-(

  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 08, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    A 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html
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    Dec 08, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
    How utterly sad..........Belcher however needs to be executed.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 08, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidHow utterly sad..........Belcher however needs to be executed.


    I agree 100%. Thanks for your comment! icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 09, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    I wish I could spell.
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    Dec 09, 2010 2:36 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said

    Alcohol was illegal once...would you stop drinking if it became illegal again?



    yes.

  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 4:12 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSorry, but this is idiotic. :-)



    My, My...how we do tend to rationalize our wrongdoings icon_wink.gif
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Dec 09, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    Well, I don't think there are a whole lot of people defending meth, and think it's harmless. It's clear the culture surrounding that particular illegal drug is not good.

    This is a tragic story. Also strange. I can't get past the killer also going by the name of Norman Bates.
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    Dec 09, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    As someone who doesn't do drugs and has no intention to of doing drugs I'm slightly disappointed that you would even post this with such a misleading title.

    You said "for those who think illegal drugs don't do any harm" which suggest that the story is going to be about someone who injured or killed themselves from taking a drug...but it isn't. This girl wasn't killed by taking drugs. She was killed by gunfire from two morons arguing over money.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 4:26 AM GMT
    bolero_of_fire said
    . She was killed by gunfire from two morons arguing over money.


    Money due to illegal drug deals maybe ? It's always the innocents around you that suffer the most icon_sad.gif

    "The 15-year-old Southwest Career and Technical Academy sophomore didn't dabble in drug trafficking or other reckless activities, police have determined."

    "But her father did. And because of his lifestyle, he put Alexus' life in danger, Las Vegas police Lt. Lew Roberts said."

    "This should be a message to parents," he said at a news conference Tuesday. "Sometimes there are consequences for your behavior. And sometimes those consequences have collateral damage."
  • Halcyonz

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    Dec 09, 2010 4:34 AM GMT
    malefeet saidA 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html


    This is dumb and this post is misrepresenting what is actually in the article. Delete. Try again.
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    Dec 09, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    Of course the money was drug related.

    Yet I could just as easily say "for those who think it's safe for citizens to have guns...15 year old girl dies after being shot". Do you see the problem here?

    I'm not a proponent for meth, I just don't approve of this sort of strawman when attempting to debate whether something should illegal or not.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    Halcyonz said
    malefeet saidA 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html


    This is dumb and this post is misrepresenting what is actually in the article. Delete. Try again.



    Please elucidate and alleviate my confusion.......The 15 year old girl was killed because of.......?
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    How many times have I heard people say " illegal drugs are harmless"..? They never stop to realize the INDIRECT damage they sometimes cause, the "collateral damage" if you will.... as well as the direct.
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    Dec 09, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    malefeet saidHow many times have I heard people say " illegial drugs are harmless"..? They never stop to realize the INDIRECT damage they sometimes cause, the "collateral damage" if you will.... as well as the direct.


    we don't know. how many times have you heard people say "illegal drugs are harmless?" that's quite a sweeping generalization and convenient for your argument and the source is just "people"?
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 5:24 AM GMT
    More times than I am able to count at the moment.....and...it seems I am rapidly approaching my goal...icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 09, 2010 6:02 AM GMT
    This wasn't caused by drugs, this was caused by the war on drugs, there's a difference...
  • Bustthewave

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:20 AM GMT
    malefeet saidA 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html


    This is a really sad story.

    But I wouldn't say that it's the drugs themselves necessarily (depending on the drug of course). If we're talking pot, than I believe the correlation could be made that such loss could be prevented by legalizing such a drug, as it wasn't the drug itself that killed the girl. It was the trafficking.

    The moral of this story seems really though less about drugs specifically and more about what dabbling and getting involved in underground crime can result in.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:25 AM GMT
    Bustthewave said
    malefeet saidA 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html


    This is a really sad story.

    But I wouldn't say that it's the drugs themselves necessarily (depending on the drug of course). If we're talking pot, than I believe the correlation could be made that such loss could be prevented by legalizing such a drug, as it wasn't the drug itself that killed the girl. It was the trafficking.

    The moral of this story seems really though less about drugs specifically and more about what dabbling and getting involved in underground crime can result in.


    THANK YOU.....THANK YOU.....THANK YOU.....finally....it was the indirect...the secondary.....that I was trying to draw attention to as well as any primary consequences.
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    Dec 09, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    People die of legal drugs too... its ridiculous to blame the drug when all substances taken have harmful side effects... from aspirin (leading to less clotting and perhaps death due to internal bleeding) to asthma inhalers (leading to asthma-related death more often)

    Im sorry, but this is a total scare instigation... on a par with scaring people into thinking it is a sin to be gay and you will go to hell for it... or saying that masturbation will cause your penis to fall off... its nonsense... yes, gay sex leads to transmission of HIV, we all know that, that is no reason to make it look dangerous and sinful and harmful either... it depends entirely on how you do it... same with such things as supposedly "harmful" drugs which often have very beneficial medicinal effects too when used properly

    Sorry man, but I disapprove highly of this thread title....

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  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:28 AM GMT
    amar_m saidPeople die of legal drugs too... its ridiculous to blame the drug when all substances taken have harmful side effects... from aspirin (leading to less clotting and perhaps death due to internal bleeding) to asthma inhalers (leading to asthma-related death more often)

    Im sorry, but this is a total scare instigation... on a par with scaring people into thinking it is a sin to be gay and you will go to hell for it... or saying that masturbation will cause your penis to fall off... its nonsense... yes, gay sex leads to transmission of HIV, we all know that, that is no reason to make it look dangerous and sinful and harmful either... it depends entirely on how you do it... same with such things as supposedly "harmful" drugs which often have very beneficial medicinal effects too when used properly

    Sorry man, but I disapprove highly of this thread title....



    DUH !!!...READ PREVIOUS POST...NOT CONCERNED AT ALL WITH THE TAKING OF DRUGS..BUT THE SECONDARY CONSEQUENCES THEY HAVE ON THE OTHERS AROUND US....icon_neutral.gif
  • Bustthewave

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
    malefeet said
    Bustthewave said
    malefeet saidA 15 year old girl lost her life. :-(


    http://www.lvrj.com/news/one-arrested-in-fatal-home-invasion-robbery-111455899.html


    This is a really sad story.

    But I wouldn't say that it's the drugs themselves necessarily (depending on the drug of course). If we're talking pot, than I believe the correlation could be made that such loss could be prevented by legalizing such a drug, as it wasn't the drug itself that killed the girl. It was the trafficking.

    The moral of this story seems really though less about drugs specifically and more about what dabbling and getting involved in underground crime can result in.


    THANK YOU.....THANK YOU.....THANK YOU.....finally....it was the indirect...the secondary.....that I was trying to draw attention to as well as any primary consequences.


    Before you thank me, with all do respect to you, I am siding with the majority here. I think in this case the drugs are inconsequential to the loss of life. Anyone engaging in crime and trafficking runs these same risks, weather it's with guns, with people, or with drugs.

    The point is - anything illegal can be dangerous because of the consequences it can bring, not because it's dangerous in and of itself, but because things that are unlawful generally draw a crowd of non-law abiding citizens.

    The issue is crime, not drugs.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:34 AM GMT
    Or crime brought on by the use of illegal drugs.....food for thought maybe?
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:35 AM GMT
    So many people...yes I said people...go their own way...do their own thing without any thought of the others around them who may get caught up in it . I have friends who do drugs....legal and illegial...and who always say.."Aw man, the only one I am hurting is myself......or...There's no harm in it if I don't get caught.....or some other rationalization or other....well, I think the story attached to this post...proves otherwise....icon_wink.gif
  • Bustthewave

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    malefeet saidOr crime brought on by the use of illegial drugs.....food for thought maybe?


    Replace drug with anything else illegal and it's the same argument, and the same story.

    I'm not for the use of illegal drugs. But I also don't think this article justifies anything concerning illegal drugs.

    If the fact that the drugs are illegal is the main reason in this debate not to use them, than it could easily be said that the solution then is to legalize them.

    Which furthers the point that this article is not about what harm drugs can cause. It's about what harm illegal activity can cause.
  • masculumpedes

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    Dec 09, 2010 6:41 AM GMT
    Bustthewave said
    malefeet saidOr crime brought on by the use of illegial drugs.....food for thought maybe?


    Replace drug with anything else illegal and it's the same argument, and the same story.

    I'm not for the use of illegal drugs. But I also don't think this article justifies anything concerning illegal drugs.

    If the fact that the drugs are illegal is the main reason in this debate not to use them, than it could easily be said that the solution then is to legalize them.

    Which furthers the point that this article is not about what harm drugs can cause. It's about what harm illegal activity can cause.



    Very True...I merely took one aspect of illegal activity and wished to expand upon it.....and reached my goal of 25 replies :-)