Author of Ugandan "Kill the Gays" Bill interviewed on Rachel Maddow

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    Dec 09, 2010 11:39 AM GMT


    Watching this made me intensely uncomfortable. I'm astonished that Bahati appeared on Rachel Maddow.

    I'm astonished that the members of the Family, some of whom helped craft this bill, have not been taken to task for their support for this. If this bill is passed, queer Ugandans will be arrested and executed for their sexuality. I'm not one to blithely reference the Holocaust, but it strikes me as astonishing that when a group of U.S. govt. officials attempt to use their political power to incite genocide in a foreign country there should be more media coverage. And real political consequences.
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    Dec 09, 2010 12:32 PM GMT
    Governmental financial management...hah! No wonder he was denied entrance.
    Rachel might have lured him under false pretenses. He did know that it's a talk show, but maybe he didn't know how leftward her show leans.
    Anyway, his points are:
    1. Gay people don't have human rights at least not in Uganda [as if human rights can be picked and chosen]
    2. The majority of the world don't support homosexuality [which, I guess, makes it right for him to imprison gays for life]
    3. The death penalty for recruiting minors to homosexuality is "imported" from a previous bill for "defilement of minors."
    4. "I do not hate gays, I love them."
    5. He asserts as a fact that foreigners are recruiting people to homosexuality. $50 million [where does he get that number?!] has been spent in schools to give to recruit young people to be gay! Rachel reminds him it's a myth, and challenges him to produces proof. He keeps stating it's a fact and promises to email it to her.
    6. He wants to extradite gays Ugandans BACK to Uganda who commit homosexual acts IN OTHER COUNTRIES! icon_lol.gif Then he claims sovereignty in Ugandan matters for justification. [I would think he would be happy for gays to leave?!]
    7. He just stopped of declaring Uganda a theocracy.
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    Dec 09, 2010 2:16 PM GMT
    I've heard/watched several small segments on MSNBC several times, but about a year ago Maddow spent yearly a week, highlighting "the family" and their connection to this new law. But to my knowledge, none of the big three media NBC, ABC, and CBS had it on the evening news. Its amazing what hate comes from behind religeous fronts such as this "family"
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    Dec 09, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    This was really horrifying. All he did was make outrageous claims about gay people that have either been debunked (gays recruit children) or for which he could not provide anything approaching proof (the $50 million in "American money.")
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    Dec 10, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThis was really horrifying. All he did was make outrageous claims about gay people that have either been debunked (gays recruit children) or for which he could not provide anything approaching proof (the $50 million in "American money.")


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    Dec 10, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    There's an interesting book about 'The Family' available. I haven't read it yet but it does make me upset even thinking about it, the organization, and what they do.

    I can't tell you how many people think that our country could never become a theocracy because Christianity isn't like that. While the true message of Christianity isn't like that, there are people in positions of power and influence who want to see us become a theocracy or at the least a kind of Christian fascist state.

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1291995566&sr=8-3

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    Dec 10, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    I understand that this is a TV show which has entertainment as the primary goal but I can't believe Rachel would waste her time arguing logic with someone who seemingly has little grasp on reality. It's hard to even get angry at the things he says when it just comes off as the ravings of a lunatic. I just thank God that he doesn't have any more power than he has.
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    Dec 10, 2010 4:04 PM GMT
    He has the same perspective of homosexuals as the proponents of Proposition 8 except he being candid about it.
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    Dec 11, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidI understand that this is a TV show which has entertainment as the primary goal but I can't believe Rachel would waste her time arguing logic with someone who seemingly has little grasp on reality. It's hard to even get angry at the things he says when it just comes off as the ravings of a lunatic. I just thank God that he doesn't have any more power than he has.


    Like Realifedad said, Maddow basically broke the story and kept the pressure on when this bill was proposed earlier this year. That publicity led to worldwide pressure, forcing Ugandan leaders to backtrack on their position, shelving the bill. When it became clear that the bill was quietly being brought back to life and that Bahati would be coming to the States (presumably to meet with members of the Family in DC, as he had no chance of getting into the conference), the Maddow show was lucky to score an interview.

    Like Katie Couric, Maddow was likely trying to bring Bahati into the primetime spotlight, keep quiet, and let him dig his own hole. I think she did as good a job as anyone in her position could have. I certainly could not have kept a cool head while listening to the guy claim to 'love the gays' while promising to legalize intra- or extra-judicial means of exterminating us.

    Did you hear him defend the tabloid that gave the names, photos, and addresses of out Ugandans, then incited the masses to lynch them? Give that guy as much airtime over here as we can.
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    Dec 11, 2010 5:34 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidHe has the same perspective of homosexuals as the proponents of Proposition 8 except he being candid about it.


    Thats why American evangelicals visit Uganda. It's their untouched Utopia.
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    Dec 11, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    I watched that interview and it made me so uncomfortable. He says that he is "protecting the children of uganda". Thats just a b.s. front because he cannot admit that this is his own person problem with homosexuals. He also included that god does not agree with homosexuality and im just curious, obviously uganda has its own system of laws and parliament, but do they have no separation of church and state?
    I hate the view that "homosexuals cannot reproduce so they must recruit". The american psychological association, and i would imagine other organizations around the world, have debunked the view that homosexuality is a free choice. I ask people with this kind of mindset this- I am a gay man born to two heterosexual parents, now how is it that i am gay if; A- Neither of my parents are gay, B- I never was acquainted with ANY homosexual individual until the age of 18 and C- I was never a victim of molestation or lured to CHOOSE something of which cannot be chosen.

    I wish more mainstream media outlets would take this on as this is not a liberal cause but a human right to live freely as we so choose. Unfortunately my hunch on the matter is that mainstream media is fearful of not only the public reaction, but that of the advertisers. Or god forbid we upset the Tea Party and its queen bee. You know who you are.

    Let us hope for the best for the people of Uganda and the world. We mustn't let ignorance or hate drive our actions.
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    Dec 11, 2010 5:54 AM GMT
    "I don't hate gays... I'm passionate about children and I am a god-fearing man."

    Red flags just went off right there. This guy creeps me out.