Please help me define: "Gaytheist"

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    Dec 09, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    We seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is' .

    The part of me that's gay, but not sucking cock right at the moment, wonders about this.

    Are "Gaytheists" some kind o' mystery....'fun' Atheists...who believe there could potentially be a rational spiritualism, if somehow religion had never existed?

    Would they cure all the worlds ills; with loving concern for people, as they fix everything by merely putting down their bigotry?

    Is that a good question?

    If the answer is 'yes' ; aren't they then, the smartest people on the planet? Of course the actual most smartest would also have to be the least likely to be listened to. A new low, as far as the totem of American archetypes.
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    Dec 09, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    i am confused... how does putting gay and atheist together result in rational spiritualism and fixing everything by putting aside their bigotry? o.O how do those things have anything to do with being attracted to other men or not believing in god?
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    Dec 09, 2010 9:53 PM GMT
    Gaytheist = doesn't believe in Madonna
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    Dec 09, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    Briefs29 saidGaytheist = doesn't believe in Madonna


    +10!
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    Dec 09, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is' .


    What is 'all that is'. How would the deeply deluded see their own delusion? How can one help another not be caught in delusions? Is it more that merely knowing the difference between fact and belief? Fact- what is; belief- what one thinks is. How would one know whether they are themselves caught in delusions? Psychologically, does 'practice' have any relation to authenticity. Is reason, thought, the supreme authority?
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    Dec 10, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    Wow there is a lot of philosophy in that post...more than I have learned about at present. I think most gays are into filling their lives up with material things, as are a lot of straight people. I thing gays are able to be good people by learning that they don't have to fuck every guy they see just because. I guess if they are inclined, there is nothing to stop them. I am plagued with questions concerning my existence, human suffering, and so forth, but I believe that there is a power bigger than what I can contain with my "logic" and my "philosophy" that somehow holds it all together. I marvel in awe at it everyday, and at some moments, I'm scared shitless. I hope I figure something out about it one day. I will have to get back to you about your post, but I just wanted you to know that i'm thinking about it.
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    Dec 10, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is

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    Dec 10, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    Karnage said
    Briefs29 saidGaytheist = doesn't believe in MADONNA.


    +10!


    I dont know wether to laugh for its flippant silliness or be shocked at the audacious blaspheme...

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    Dec 10, 2010 12:46 AM GMT
    Briefs29 saidGaytheist = doesn't believe in Madonna

    So, what is it when you don't necessarily believe in Madonna, but believe in the possibility of a Madonna?
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    Dec 10, 2010 1:18 AM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    Briefs29 saidGaytheist = doesn't believe in Madonna

    So, what is it when you don't necessarily believe in Madonna, but believe in the possibility of a Madonna?


    you could still be a gaytheist. Gaynosticism isn't mutually exclusive to gaytheism. A gaytheist holds no value to Madonna's relevance in their life, weather she exists or not.

    A gaynostic simply admits they don't have enough knowledge of Madonna's existence to make a determination.
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    Dec 10, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    That makes me Gaygan. I believe in Madonna, Kylie, Britney, Whitney, Ke$sha...
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    Dec 10, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    Horsepower saidThat makes me Gaygan. I believe in Madonna, Kylie, Britney, Whitney, Ke$sha...


    wouldn't that make you polygayistic? icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 10, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is' .

    The part of me that's gay, but not sucking cock right at the moment, wonders about this.

    Are "Gaytheists" some kind o' mystery....'fun' Atheists...who believe there could potentially be a rational spiritualism, if somehow religion had never existed?

    Would they cure all the worlds ills; with loving concern for people, as they fix everything by merely putting down their bigotry?

    Is that a good question?

    If the answer is 'yes' ; aren't they then, the smartest people on the planet? Of course the actual most smartest would also have to be the least likely to be listened to. A new low, as far as the totem of American archetypes.


    Perhaps I'm to new to gay culture to make any claims or pretend to understand the question, but... I don't understand the question. Is there a natural spiritualism among gay men? And if religion never existed, are we talking about a world where there is spirituality but no organizational faith?

    Doesn't atheist imply the belief that God is irrelevant?

    I'm trying to piece all of this together. I don't understand how gay culture is separated from either modern rationalism or fascism. It seems to me, though anomalies, gay culture and people still subscribe to in general, the philosophies of the culture.
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
    mkubwa saidi am confused...how does putting gay and atheist together result in rational spiritualism and fixing everything by putting aside their bigotry? o.O how do those things have anything to do with being attracted to other men or not believing in god?


    INconCEIVable!!!....

    Dear Dr mkubwa
    Let's move away with the "One pill for one ailment" paradigm shall we?

    We can make the pretzel a circle for you - but why do you want it that way?

    Before I launch though....Don't read this if the only gay thing you do is suck dick.

    We are myriad, but that doesn't mean we're not simple...there are palm trees that have more genes than you and I do...Which one is the homo one, and what other stuff does it do? More pointedly: What is it doing at the moment?

    The nutrients that feed our intricate human systems, are simple and number in the twenties. Vitamin E does eight jobs really well. The way we are 'wired' as 'gay' humans is way way way more than our proclivity for diddling other noodles. The way we are wired transcends race, and is inherently part of the way nature fosters social balance in a species. Nature is so, a multi tasker.

    All human societies throughout history no matter where they pop up....have had both religion, and homo men. My postulates are based on the conversation within that continuum.

    We live in a time of putting down useless mythology. A sense of apathy, and meaninglessness tend to fill the void left by false fervor. Rationality is the way of scientifically seeing ourselves as in alignment with all that we have discovered about the laws that have been supporting us for longer than our moms can remember.

    Although facts, and reality can be used to confuse people; fascism, and bigotry work better. We are better hypnotized en masse, we reinforce each others perspective, until we all blindly accept victorian principles with abject aplomb. Until Madge put a coke bottle half way down her throat in the early 80's. Now we have a negro president.

    Have you never heard the battle cry of the Republicans: "THE GAYS DID IT"!!!....
    They know we are way more than cocksuckers. How come we don't?

    We gay ass champions; are the vanguard of getting rid of what's useless. We can't even remember what we wore five years ago.

    We love preserving what's valuable. DaVinci designed the uniforms for the Swiss Guard 500 years ago... they're still workin' 'em.

    The Nature of what we're gonna do next, has eternally been worth looking at.
    In History; the Homo acheivers are proportioned like black guys in the NBA.
    We are there in all times - Rockin' it!!!

    When people say: "What will they think of next?" they're talkin' about us, and the shit we come up with. My favorite of all time, is when Alexander slipped the early world a drachma...and so, made way for Jesus, Islam, Romans and the British .

    Hope you're confused in a different way doctor.
    Let me ask you this though....Do you believe in Madonna; or do you think it was all just marketing? Please share your answer with your best friend, and listen very carefully to the life lesson that person has for you.

    Stop fearing your confusion. There is no point to mundane lucidity.
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:15 PM GMT
    I'll be honest, when I read "Gaytheists", I initially think that someone forgot to put in a space and that it should read "Gay Theists." I have to convince myself that it's actually a word (as, well, English is an incredibly inventive language, so sometimes it takes convincing :lolicon_smile.gif
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
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    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is' .


    I have to take your boogers apart one by one.

    What is 'all that is'. - - Hint: you can't find out with a stop watch. This is not a directly answerable question. I might have you ponder, a characteristic of all that is: "Nothing Real can be threatened, and nothing Unreal exists..." You may see an aspect of a continuum. You are well referred to Ralph Waldo Emersons' short essay entitled simply: "Circles." It is indirectly profound.

    How would the deeply deluded see their own delusion? - - Mo' Emerson....they would "habitually make a new estimate"....of their circumstance and situation.

    How can one help another not be caught in delusions? - - Watch Dog Whisperer.

    Is it more that merely knowing the difference between fact and belief? Fact- what is; belief- what one thinks is. How would one know whether they are themselves caught in delusions? - - How about looking at the results we get.

    Psychologically, does 'practice' have any relation to authenticity. - - (I love this) Referring to the above stipulations: Seeking to Synergize our thoughts and our results, to our disciplines, applied to solving problems....eventually yeah!!!! But, we are on constant vigil, and seek feedback from our best friends tenaciously; ever tracking our potential illusions. Truth is the thing that you have absoulutely no power to change - yet is completely within your power to accept.

    Is reason, thought, the supreme authority?
    - - In the absence of "magic Jesus" descending from the clouds and wiping out fascism and bigotry with one poop from his big white horse.....yeah I'd say so.....
    Nature has given us laws: we have discovered some, ignored others, and are confused by yet a few more. There is no neurotic Natural Law . We are inextricably connected to all the Law is, no matter the status of our comprehension. We cannot be extricated from the Laws that got us here, by any psychic, or physical means. Emerson again: "My obedience to these Laws is my greatest Liberation.

    Thanks: Sorry for dispersing entrails here.
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    novemberfox1 saidWow there is a lot of philosophy in that post...more than I have learned about at present. I think most gays are into filling their lives up with material things, as are a lot of straight people. I thing gays are able to be good people by learning that they don't have to fuck every guy they see just because. I guess if they are inclined, there is nothing to stop them. I am plagued with questions concerning my existence, human suffering, and so forth, but I believe that there is a power bigger than what I can contain with my "logic" and my "philosophy" that somehow holds it all together. I marvel in awe at it everyday, and at some moments, I'm scared shitless. I hope I figure something out about it one day. I will have to get back to you about your post, but I just wanted you to know that i'm thinking about it.


    Yes! Think....
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    Give up thinking that all that you are....ends with your skin.....it'll be like fertilizer for your sense of awe.
    Your fears are nothing more than your ego; dipped in duality. Your fears point directly to the transcendent principle that actually supports you....Don't fear your fear, you'll try and get rid of it....Instead use it to find your own way.
    We're such pussies; most of the time what we call suffering, is actually our wholeness, waiting for us to wake up.

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    Dec 10, 2010 6:46 PM GMT
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    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is

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    I will give you my address....send me all the money you want.
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:54 PM GMT
    Horsepower saidThat makes me Gaygan. I believe in Madonna, Kylie, Britney, Whitney, Ke$sha...



    Then you believe in "Madge-ick" ...right?
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    Dec 10, 2010 6:57 PM GMT
    Dav488 saidI'll be honest, when I read "Gaytheists", I initially think that someone forgot to put in a space and that it should read "Gay Theists." I have to convince myself that it's actually a word (as, well, English is an incredibly inventive language, so sometimes it takes convincing :lolicon_smile.gif



    ty ty ty for defining inclusivity here.....http://assets3.rjstatic.com/images/global/icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 10, 2010 7:17 PM GMT
    Perhaps I'm to new to gay culture to make any claims or pretend to understand the question, but... I don't understand the question. Is there a natural spiritualism among gay men? And if religion never existed, are we talking about a world where there is spirituality but no organizational faith?

    Doesn't atheist imply the belief that God is irrelevant?

    I'm trying to piece all of this together. I don't understand how gay culture is separated from either modern rationalism or fascism. It seems to me, though anomalies, gay culture and people still subscribe to in general, the philosophies of the culture.[/quote]


    Hope as your read other stuff here that your head clears up some.
    New; doesn't mean constantly wrong; the two get confused a bit.
    There are a few inversions in what you wrote: ie, (I believe) there is a natural spiritualism (the true stuff religion uses for support {Christianity is a sad hot mess - the teachings of Jesus {1st ct. Essene (Jewish Buddhists)} are incredibly valuable), and gay men have always been a part of it. They couldn't not be. Hopefully, we can look at what people say here, and suss it out. Where are 'We' as a species?...and what is so special about being "gay" that we see it the way we do. Throughout history, that dynamic has had a definite impact.

    This is what the judges are looking for - keep working....
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    Dec 10, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
    If I may kindly respond sir;

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    nofearpdx saidWe seem to have boiled down our existence, to either practicing an ardent rationalism, or a really well ingrained, yet completely deluded fascism. I think post modern Philosophy ; has us, as a species; at about this point, in the absence of a hard explanation for 'all that is' .


    I have to take your boogers apart one by one.

    What is 'all that is'. - - Hint: you can't find out with a stop watch. This is not a directly answerable question. I might have you ponder, a characteristic of all that is: "Nothing Real can be threatened, and nothing Unreal exists..." You may see an aspect of a continuum. You are well referred to Ralph Waldo Emersons' short essay entitled simply: "Circles." It is indirectly profound.
    How would the deeply deluded see their own delusion? - - Mo' Emerson....they would "habitually make a new estimate"....of their circumstance and situation.
    What is Estimation? Is estimation a characteristic of thought? To whom am i asking these questions; Emerson? What is Your experience in the question of 'What Is'. So Estimation is a part of thinking. Thought can never capture an Actual entire experience- it captures an estimation of an experience and the result of that is called memory. This is what thinking does; it estimates, measures. Thought is constantly doing this. So what place does thought have into seeing 'What Is'? Is it possible to look at a tree without the word? The word being the conclusion, the description and not the actual tree. And what many investigators of the 'what is' do is: i want to find out What Is; so i read what others have uncovered and therefore i see 'what is' through the eyes (interpretation) of other human beings, authors - Emerson. Are not words themselves an estimation?

    How can one help another not be caught in delusions? - - Watch Dog Whisperer. LOL

    Is it more that merely knowing the difference between fact and belief? Fact- what is; belief- what one thinks is. How would one know whether they are themselves caught in delusions? - - How about looking at the results we get.
    If I wait for results; i might be to far into the deluded path before i discover it had been delusion all along.

    Psychologically, does 'practice' have any relation to authenticity. - - (I love this) Referring to the above stipulations: Seeking to Synergize our thoughts and our results, to our disciplines, applied to solving problems....eventually yeah!!!! But, we are on constant vigil, and seek feedback from our best friends tenaciously; ever tracking our potential illusions. Truth is the thing that you have absoulutely no power to change - yet is completely within your power to accept.
    What is authenticity? Is authenticity that which has undisputed origin; genuine, true.
    Psychologically we human beings are violent. That is a fact as seen through out human history. Verbally, emotionally, physically we are a violent species. And this ideal of non-violence appears to us either through religion, society, fascism, or the ardour of rationalism. And ideals vary per sect; even per individual. ideals are an unstable variable, an invention of thought and therefore qualitatively illusory. Now can a human being be realistically non-violent in the seeking of an ideal which is non-realistic? Can non-violence be practiced and still be genuine. Practice implies; suppression, reward, and punishment. 'If I am non-violent, ill go to heaven.' So one practices non-violence to reap a reward. 'If I am non-violent ill go to hell'. So one practices non-violence out of fear. So Peace becomes a matter of gain. If one is Peaceful, one is peaceful - finished. If i seek truth; that is to imply; truth is not in relation to me - and i seek a relationship with truth; yes? So does it make sense to be completely honest with oneself; therefore having a relationship with truth in order to seek that which is true.


    Is reason, thought, the supreme authority?
    - - In the absence of "magic Jesus" descending from the clouds and wiping out fascism and bigotry with one poop from his big white horse.....yeah I'd say so.....
    Nature has given us laws: we have discovered some, ignored others, and are confused by yet a few more. There is no neurotic Natural Law . We are inextricably connected to all the Law is, no matter the status of our comprehension. We cannot be extricated from the Laws that got us here, by any psychic, or physical means. Emerson again: "My obedience to these Laws is my greatest Liberation.
    Thought is all we know; so of course we may think Thought is supreme in authority. Can something that is fallible be supreme at all? Thought has done wonderful things- amazing surgury, technology, medicine and so on. But Thought has also created war, weapons, invented nationalism, segregation, prejudice. We can delude ourselves with thought. So what is Thought? If one has inward turmoil, inward conflict, depression, anxiety, uncertainty and so on; not only does that imply disorder on a physiological level; but general disorder. So can a mind that has such inward conflict in itself; end conflict outwardly in life. That is; can a mind that is disorderly in itself ever produce Order? Order being where conflict is not.

    Thanks: Sorry for dispersing entrails here.

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