Obama should get more credit for DADT

  • Mepark

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    Dec 11, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

    "The Pentagon announced in October, for example, that any “don’t ask, don’t tell” discharge would from that point forward require the approval of senior civilian officials in the Defense Department – officials who are also Obama administration appointees. President Obama has said that he wants to see the ban overturned. Since then, no service members have been discharged under the policy, according to a Pentagon spokesperson."

    As far as I know, the policy ended months ago.
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    Dec 11, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    Mepark saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

    "The Pentagon announced in October, for example, that any “don’t ask, don’t tell” discharge would from that point forward require the approval of senior civilian officials in the Defense Department – officials who are also Obama administration appointees. President Obama has said that he wants to see the ban overturned. Since then, no service members have been discharged under the policy, according to a Pentagon spokesperson."

    As far as I know, the policy ended months ago.



    Truth.
    And one way or another, it will soon be ended officially too.
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    Dec 11, 2010 8:16 PM GMT
    Mepark saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

    "The Pentagon announced in October, for example, that any “don’t ask, don’t tell” discharge would from that point forward require the approval of senior civilian officials in the Defense Department – officials who are also Obama administration appointees. President Obama has said that he wants to see the ban overturned. Since then, no service members have been discharged under the policy, according to a Pentagon spokesperson."

    As far as I know, the policy ended months ago.


    No, the credit goes more-so to the log cabin republicans who got the court to rule against it as unconstitutional.
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    Dec 12, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Mepark saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

    "The Pentagon announced in October, for example, that any “don’t ask, don’t tell” discharge would from that point forward require the approval of senior civilian officials in the Defense Department – officials who are also Obama administration appointees. President Obama has said that he wants to see the ban overturned. Since then, no service members have been discharged under the policy, according to a Pentagon spokesperson."

    As far as I know, the policy ended months ago.


    No, the credit goes more-so to the log cabin republicans who got the court to rule against it as unconstitutional.


    No, sadly you're quite mistaken. It has nothing to do with the LCR. It has everything to do with the Obama Administration appointees. That said, the LCR did have brains to use the WH appointees to their full political advantage.

    This is an excellent example of what the public rarely knows.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 12, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
    B787 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Mepark saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell


    No, the credit goes more-so to the log cabin republicans who got the court to rule against it as unconstitutional.


    No, sadly you're quite mistaken. It has nothing to do with the LCR. It has everything to do with the Obama Administration appointees. That said, the LCR did have brains to use the WH appointees to their full political advantage.

    This is an excellent example of what the public rarely knows.


    **Newsweek is hardly a conservative publication.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/19/is-obama-s-excuse-for-not-repealing-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-legitimate.html
    It DIRECTLY disagrees with your answers. Unless there is more depth to it that you care to share. Facts are stubborn.. What political advantage are the LCR looking for? Your saying there motivations are "politically motivated" as you say ( ABSURD)

    Obama deserves the credit for going through with the policy changes to date. However the justice department could have taken a different lighter track on defending against the LACR case.

    While people sit back and blame republicans for all there problems, they forget that Obama has quite a bit more options than the legislation. Also the timing of the DADT certainly is not politically smart.
    Aaron Belkin, an expert on the issue at U.C. Santa Barbara, told the New York Times the thing that everybody else is dancing around and unwilling to admit, that, "unless the president declines to appeal the ruling in Log Cabin Republicans versus the United States, the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy probably will remain law for years."

    There is precedent for the President to withhold vigorous defense of a Court ruling he feels to be against a Unconstitutional law.

    One wonders why there would be a downplaying of the good efforts of LCR's efforts? But im not surprised. There is alot of anger about this issue, considering the democrats had the presidency, house and senate and dont seem to have the will to get it done. The handful of republicans who would have voted yes, stated they would vote if it was outside of other legislative garbage in the latest bill.
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    Dec 12, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    B787 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Mepark saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1210/Pentagon-already-taking-steps-to-blunt-don-t-ask-don-t-tell

    "The Pentagon announced in October, for example, that any “don’t ask, don’t tell” discharge would from that point forward require the approval of senior civilian officials in the Defense Department – officials who are also Obama administration appointees. President Obama has said that he wants to see the ban overturned. Since then, no service members have been discharged under the policy, according to a Pentagon spokesperson."

    As far as I know, the policy ended months ago.


    No, the credit goes more-so to the log cabin republicans who got the court to rule against it as unconstitutional.


    No, sadly you're quite mistaken. It has nothing to do with the LCR. It has everything to do with the Obama Administration appointees. That said, the LCR did have brains to use the WH appointees to their full political advantage.

    This is an excellent example of what the public rarely knows.


    Are you saying that Obama appointed the judge who ruled against DADT as being unconstitutional?
  • creature

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    Dec 13, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    The U.S. Justice Department filed an emergency motion with the 9th Circuit Court of appeals to stay Judge Philips's ruling. The motion to stay was granted, thus temporarily suspending Philips's decision.

    As a result, it is, as Mepark stated, from the authority of the senior civilian officials that discharges have stopped. The effect from the Long Cabin Republicans' lawsuit only lasted as long as Judge Philips's ruling had its effect, which is about 8 days.

    I'm not trying to downplay the Log Cabin Republicans' schizophrenic efforts of repealing DADT, but those are the facts. If DADT is repealed in Congress, it will be because of those politicians who vote for its repeal, and President Obama who is expected to sign the repeal into law.