Barack's Speech

  • Southern_Draw...

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    Mar 19, 2008 3:08 AM GMT
    I'm glad I had the chance to catch Barack deliver his speech regarding his pastor's comments. It was as brilliant and eloquent as possible. I wish I had the maturity and ability to address my nay sayers. What are your thoughts?
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:13 AM GMT
    I like the way he is saying things the way they are, so these things can be discussed.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 19, 2008 3:13 AM GMT
    I know the speech was delivered and have heard a variety of comments about its effectiveness. I didn't have any time to pay attention to that today with market behaviors.... but I'll get caught up.

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    Mar 19, 2008 8:03 AM GMT
    Just read the speech. One for the history books, really.

    He really has the potential to be a transformational figure in this country.

    First time I've been excited about a presidential candidate since RFK. I guess that dates me, huh icon_smile.gif

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  • pcsean28

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    Mar 19, 2008 8:50 AM GMT
    Someone on NPR called it the most important political speech on race probably ever. I was already leaning this way but today turned me from a Clinton voter to a full on Obama supporter...here's to hoping for that dream ticket, though.
  • GQjock

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    Mar 19, 2008 10:58 AM GMT
    He hit it out of the ballpark...
    Obama answered the questions and addressed all the concerns that anyone could've had

    ...now
    whether American's Want to hear it is a different story
    because all this was was an excuse not to vote for him
    because what the HELL did this reverend have to do with him anyway
    Like Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham and the rest of the white preachers the tired old former Presidents went to weren't even MORE heinous?
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    Mar 19, 2008 11:55 AM GMT
    Sen. Obama delivered that speech with maturity, grace, and candor. It is refreshing to find a politician who speaks to the American public like an adult.

    Sen. Obama is a Class Act. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 19, 2008 11:57 AM GMT
    It's a shame he had to make that speech.
    But it did. Brilliantly.

    But...will white America get it? If the comments on the blogs, from TV commentators, etc, are any indication, likely not. As GQJock pointed out, the crazy Christian preachers who've snuggled with Presidents have said some pretty insane things too - Pat Robertson and Katrina anyone? Falwell and most anything he said? - but those Presidents and candidates were not called to the carpet. Why? Because they are/were white men, the controlling caste in America and the world. White men who've never suffered obvious or institutional hate. White men who've never been the only person at the checkout line using a credit card who's asked for ID. White men who've never been to a restaurant with their black bf and completely ignored by the wait staff.

    I hope Obama's speech is disseminated and read. I hope that minds are changed. That speech and what it addresses is far larger and insidious than Obama as a candidate, than Clintonite machination, than the Presidency even. It spoke to a dirty truth so few acknowledge and perhaps even fewer realize.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Mar 19, 2008 12:11 PM GMT
    I have not read or heard Sen. Obama's speech yet, though I look forward to doing so.

    In the meantime, I wonder: can Sen. Obama's campaign survive without this potentially gay-crucial endorsement?

    /looks to the RJ survey board
    Survey says...(?)
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    Mar 19, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    As I expected, he took on the same old crappy political game and totally changed it. Skeptics claim there's an "unknown" about him, but a better word would be "unfamiliar". We haven't ever seen a candidate address this country differently (as in intelligently, respectfully, positively, and with a complexity that mirrors the complexity of the issues) the way Obama has. Many Hillary and McCain supporters are just broke down from accepting our cynical, insulting political process as a given. As such they are blind to the incredible opportunity at hand, and the momentum it has built. Obama will be able to change Washington for the better like no other. Hillary and McCain will simply step in and play (and lose) the same old games. This country is on the brink of something either very positive or very destructive. Let's hope 51% of us don't wuss out.
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    Mar 19, 2008 2:38 PM GMT
    Despite the speech, I'm still for the dream ticket....

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    Mar 19, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    I forget. Is that Siegfried or Roy?
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    In the latest reuters poll released today McCain beats both Hilary and Obama by a large margin . 48% McCain vs 40% Clinton and 46% McCain vs 40% Obama.

    As much as I love America, I am so hating americans right now.
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    Like voting makes a difference. Still the same crop of candidates, just different color's attached to them.

    America won't change until people look past mainstream two party lines.
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 saidIn the latest reuters poll released today McCain beats both Hilary and Obama by a large margin . 48% McCain vs 40% Clinton and 46% McCain vs 40% Obama.

    As much as I love America, I am so hating americans right now.


    Just wait until Lehman Bros. goes under (soon, I imagine) and a few more thousands lose their homes.

    Polls taken in March are meaningless.
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidLike voting makes a difference. Still the same crop of candidates, just different color's attached to them.

    America won't change until people look past mainstream two party lines.



    Oh SNAP!!

    I honestly believe that is why so many people, especially Hillary supporters, are afraid of Obama. He is turning politics-as-usual upside down!!
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:39 PM GMT
    jprichva said[quote]
    Just wait until Lehman Bros. goes under (soon, I imagine) and a few more thousands lose their homes.

    Polls taken in March are meaningless.


    The fact that it takes a catastrophe and complete economic breakdown to make people want change is frightening.

    Our freedoms have slowly eroded over the last eight years.
    We are fighting a war that most of us don't want . It was projected by Bush to cost 60 billion dollars.. It is at 600 million and counting. Our bravest boys and girls are dying everyday for an Oil mans war desperate for a legacy.
    I in 99 americans is in prison.
    Sexual health is an oxymoron in this country.
    Women still make less than men doing the same jobs.
    No child left behind is a disaster.
    Americans are more obese than ever.
    AIDS infections are increasing for the first time in years.
    1 in 4 teenage girls is a carrier of a STD.

    Listen, I love it here... but it is time to wake the F*ck up...and pronto.
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    Mar 19, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    Um.. most of the above are the results of individual choices....

    Are you fat because the government didn't ban candy machines in school? Or because you choose to be fat?

    Another reason I don't like most democrats, they tend to make individual issues into national issues we all need to fight as a whole with our tax money.
  • jarhead5536

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    Mar 19, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 saidIn the latest reuters poll released today McCain beats both Hilary and Obama by a large margin . 48% McCain vs 40% Clinton and 46% McCain vs 40% Obama.

    As much as I love America, I am so hating americans right now.


    Once again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. No one knows how to lose an election like the Democratic Party. This GE was supposed to have been handed to us on a silver platter, thanks to Shrub. Makes you want to give up on the party sometimes...
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    Mar 19, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidUm.. most of the above are the results of individual choices....

    Are you fat because the government didn't ban candy machines in school? Or because you choose to be fat?



    No, absolutely not.
    But the government does decide what crops they will subsidize to make it cheaper.
    Currently our tax money pays to make corn, wheat and soybeans cheaper.
    This is why fattening food is cheap. That is a government decision. It has nothing at all to do with banning candy machines. Get a grip.
  • bigguysf

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    Mar 19, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    I gotta admit, I'm an Af-Am who has been a Hillary supporter throughout this primary season.
    BUT... this speech on race in response to his pastor's remarks, unlike many of his other "I Have A Dream" counterparts, was so right on the money that I am thinking of switching my support to him instead. And this is even after donating money twice to Hillary's campaign.

    I have really been annoyed that every time he speaks it feels like the speech is so much more than the occasion warrants. Not this time, however. He nailed it and put it out on the table for us all to see. The Black anger, the White frustrations, and all from a man who has both within... and is the only such person to be able to speak to both from a personal perspective.

    Many campaigns are defined by moments when politicians need to defend themselves in some way or another. It allows them to really stand out and up for who they are and what they believe in. Mitt's failed campaign was (not) defined by his attempt to humanize his Mormon religion to the Republican masses. This speech defined Obama, and the ways perhaps in which he can finally start to bridge some lingering gaps in our American fabric.
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    Mar 19, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidU

    Another reason I don't like most democrats, they tend to make individual issues into national issues we all need to fight as a whole with our tax money.


    If you don't see our current education system, our lack of reasonably priced preventative healthcare, our drug laws and subsidies problem as national issues, perhaps your the one who is deluded.

    What are your target issues?
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    Mar 19, 2008 4:13 PM GMT
    Some individual choices can't be properly made when the government in power does certain specific actions - such as altering sex education programs for youth to ONLY teach abstinence. Which leads horny teens to contract STDs and leads to increases in HIV infections. Yes, all of those people could CHOOSE to not have sex. But let's be realistic about the world and people. 8 years of improper, naive sex ed. That's 8 graduating classes of kids who learned about sex from Hollywood films, porn, the internet, etc.
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    Mar 19, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    GO B.O GO WE LOVE YOU IN EUROPE!!
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Mar 19, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    re: the Zogby / Reuters poll
    I'm far more worried by the possibility of Florida Democratic Party voters boycotting the general election than a mid-March poll (prior to a fully established head-on-head match between the Democratic and Republican parties).

    re: individual choice vs. social decision-making
    Individual choice advocates should mind the prerequisites set forth by their predecessors (the classical liberals): the individual chooser must have direct access to relevant information and not be under undue duress in order to make an actual choice.

    Addendum: this means, to me, that for individuals to make proper choices, there must be a good-faith sharing of information. Unfortunately, we have plenty of examples where individuals / organizations systematically denied access to information so as to distort choice in their favor (the grotesque machinations of US cigarette makers is one such example).