"I want RJ Input" WHAT 2008 CAR IS BEST TO BUY??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 19, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    So here is the scene:

    I have three vehicles, a 2006 black Saturn Ion, a 2002 Black Ranger 4x4 and my first car (which is retired), a 1981 Plymouth FireArrow (really a special edition of the disposable Arrow cars).

    I am about to start the process of review. I have owned 3 Saturns and I think they are very nice. I need a somewhat practical vehicle for business purposes that gets good mileage (the Ion gets 35 mph in the country) and is low maintenance. With the three Saturns I've owned, I have only good things to say, but the Ion production was terminated (and I'm tired of them anyway after my 2004 and 2006 vehicles).

    The Ion was OK, but I like a sportier car. It seems that "sporty" and great gas mileage don't necessarily go hand in hand.....or does it? I also want better gas mileage as I drive around Kansas seeing clients.
    I put alot of miles on my main vehicle so something of reasonable cost really makes sense. My first Saturn, an "SC1" was really nice.

    My 2 other vehicles won't be sold. My Ranger barely has 10,000 miles on it and my Arrow is in prestine condition and enjoys most of its time in the garage with only an occasional beagle to disturb the car cover.

    So.. what do you recommend in a new vehicle where the
    requirements are 1)Reasonable cost 2)Sporty 3)Great gas mileage?
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    Mar 19, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    Hmm, how about an MX-5 Miata, a Mini, or a Rabbit? They're all zippy, easy to park, and if AWD isn't an issue ...
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    Mar 19, 2008 9:44 PM GMT
    2008 Honda Accord. I prefer the sedan, but if you're looking for sporty, you might prefer the coupe.

    accord_coupe_concept_rear.jpg

    EPA rated 21/30. You can definitely get more than 30 on the highway if you drive lightly. My 05 Accord got 37 mpg on one trip going about 270 miles, but I was never able to get that great of mileage after that time. The 05 Accord is rated at 24/34 with the old EPA standards. The new Accords are supposed to get better mileage (according to Edmunds), but after the new EPA standards are only rated at 21/31 (for the sedan). These cars come nicely equipped at about 20-25k.

    Here's one of the sedan.

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    Mar 19, 2008 9:50 PM GMT
    q: why do you need three cars?
    a: because i'm too goddammed sexy to have one.


    no, really. why do you want three cars? you just like them or there's another reason?

    me, i'd get the mx-5, but miatas are the only car i've ever wanted to fuck in the tailpipe so i'm biased. they're sporty AND they get over 30 miles to the gallon. for a roadster they're not all that expensive by comparison.
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    Mar 19, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    If you were really into the Ion, you should look into the Astra (you probably already have). It's been getting much better reviews--critics didn't like the Ion at all. Plus that model's already been tested for a couple years in Europe under the Opel line. It's MPG is 24/32.

    Don't get anything turbocharged--I think they all require Premium fuel. Maybe a regular Civic or the Hybrid Civic, although that will be slightly more expensive.

    The new car issue from Consumer Reports came out last month--go grab a copy and compare stats.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 19, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidq: why do you need three cars?


    This is great...I appreciate the input from you guys so far!

    1969er.. I'll check out the line, but it seemed like they weren't sporty enough and gas mileage needs to be improved. I'd like to get 45 if I could.


    Well Jack, the reason for 3 cars is for several reasons.... first, my first car I keep for sentimental reasons. It gets driven about once a month. My Ranger
    I use for hauling things (and it has been used) and I love the look and feel of a 4 x 4.. its hot looking for sure.

    The Vehicle in question is my everyday car and I use it for business purposes.

    My straight cousin owns about 6 or 7 vehicles, mostly old cars from the early 1960's. Thats a little weird to me, but he enjoys it so more power to him.



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    Mar 19, 2008 10:11 PM GMT
    I have had as many as 8 cars at one time because they are fun. Of course, an enormous waste of money, but fun.

    You might think about buying a Smart For Two.

    I have owned three different ones over the years including a cabrio and 2 coupé.

    While I like really super sports cars there is really nothing to beat a Smart for total practicality and fun. You can park it anywhere and it costs next to nothing to operate.

    The design makes the car enormously safe and the quality (and I am as picky as they get) is impeccable.

    One other thing. We have two dogs and my partner loves to go hiking in the mountains. He takes the smart, throws the dogs in the back, and runs up to Cortina or as far as Austria. There is loads of room for dogs, groceries, etc.

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    Mar 19, 2008 10:16 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidq: why do you need three cars?
    a: because i'm too goddammed sexy to have one.


    no, really. why do you want three cars? you just like them or there's another reason?

    me, i'd get the mx-5, but miatas are the only car i've ever wanted to fuck in the tailpipe so i'm biased. they're sporty AND they get over 30 miles to the gallon. for a roadster they're not all that expensive by comparison.


    Dancer, that visual has made my night!
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    Mar 19, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    45? That narrows it considerably.

    http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/top10/index.cfm/action/mileage/vehicleclass/all/listtype/3?CPCID=21928-0-0-0-10816-107-0-0-0-0&id=21928&osit=0000617056&omed=0000373299&otim=1205965137&otrm=3310438&xsmemid=19433461

    This ranking has an interesting choice: "Muscle per gallon". However it's from last April.
    http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/2007/04/20/cars-that-are-light-on-gas-heavy-on-power.html

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    Mar 19, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    As mentioned, the new Saturn Astra has reviewed well. As the Opel Astra it's been a critical and sales success in Europe. It doesn't come with a particularly large-displacement engine (somewhere around 140 hp, off the top of my head...I think), but the three-door (which is actually kinda hot) comes with an optional performance suspension and 18-inch wheels...so that would have your 'sporty-ish' base covered. Moreso than the Ion, unless you happened to have an Ion Redline.

    The Astra is a little smaller than the Ion, and is a bit higher-content, amenity-wise...it's being marketed as a premium compact, and expected to sell about a tenth the volume of the outgoing Ion and the Chevy Cobalt the Ion shared a platform with. It's a fairly lightweight vehicle with an economical engine, so it's gonna get good gas mileage.

    Damn. Now I want one...I'll put it on the list right after the Mazda RX-8. Good luck, whatever your choice!
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    Mar 19, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
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  • Timbales

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    Mar 19, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidSo there is the scene:

    I have three vehicles, a 2006 black Saturn Ion, a 2002 Black Ranger 4x4 and my first car (which is retired), a 1981 Plymouth FireArrow (really a special edition of the disposable Arrow cars).

    I am about to start the process of review. I have owned 3 Saturns and I think they are very nice. I need a somewhat practical vehicle for business purposes that gets good mileage (the Ion gets 35 mph in the country) and is low maintenance. With the three Saturns I've owned, I have only good things to say, but the Ion production was terminated (and I'm tired of them anyway after my 2004 and 2006 vehicles).

    The Ion was OK, but I like a sportier car. It seems that "sporty" and great gas mileage don't necessarily go hand in hand.....or does it? I also want better gas mileage as I drive around Kansas seeing clients.
    I put alot of miles on my main vehicle so something of reasonable cost really makes sense. My first Saturn, an "SC1" was really nice.

    My 2 other vehicles won't be sold. My Ranger barely has 10,000 miles on it and my Arrow is in prestine condition and enjoys most of its time in the garage with only an occasional beagle to disturb the car cover.

    So.. what do you recommend in a new vehicle where the
    requirements are 1)Reasonable cost 2)Sporty 3)Great gas mileage?


    I'd recommend looking at a Toyota Corolla or Matrix. They hold their value, are very well made and should fit your needs for sporty and practical.
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    Mar 19, 2008 11:49 PM GMT
    Car? I don't drive. I walk as much as possible. Than I take public trans or car pool to concerts, but I hate hate hate cars. They're yucky.
  • irishboxers

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    Mar 20, 2008 12:08 AM GMT
    I'm looking at new cars, too, with similar requirements. I'm down to the Honda Accord coupe (previously mentioned) and the Nissan Altima coupe which, in my opinion, has a more muscular look to it.

    Also thinking about the Ford Escape Hybrid, but that's not really a category of car you were considering. :-)
  • cacti

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    Mar 20, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    If you like small cars, I would strongly recommend Toyota's Yaris for your needs. It fits all categories- two of them extremely well: Cheap and fuel efficient. Sporty styling, but not the sportiest performance of course. However, if you pick up a manual you will have no problems whatsoever keeping up with traffic even on the highways, and being so small lets you zip through traffic like there's no tomorrow.

    You will find some bad reviews of this car, but even most of these reviews state that it is by far the cheapest car to own and maintain with a very high expected reliability. Even with that they end up bashing it for not including side airbags/ABS stock. Adding them on pushes the price into the same level as the Honda Fit, which includes those items in stock.

    It's not a sports car, but if you are in any way concerned about the cost of oil/fuel in the coming years(if you ask me, this is only the tip of the iceberg) then I would put some of the more superficial BS/big dick syndrome aside. I don't mean to say you have that attitude, but I'm just attempting to generalize Americans right now. Hell, if it's in the right $$ range for you, check out a hybrid Civic or Prius. But a Yaris is cheaper to own in the life of the car including fuel in the long run.
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    Mar 20, 2008 12:32 AM GMT
    1)Reasonable cost
    2)Sporty
    3)Great gas mileage?


    Hmm I should make a thread on this... gas mileage and power go hand in hand. The more powerful (sportier) the worse the mileage. Until full EV or sports tuned hybrids hit the market at a reasonable cost is all about tradeoffs.

    There are only 2 cars that can currently approach a 40+ mpg average. The Civic hybrid or Prius. So it's a 13.6 or 12 second 0-60 time for either. Nothing flashy. Diesels CAN get great highway mpg's but there are only used TDI's and such available for now. Diesel also will always cost more than gas.

    If you want 45 mpg get a Prius, or a civic hybrid if you want a slightly sportier look (I choose the latter)

    If you want some degree of sports performance with still reasonable economy consider any of the sports compacts. You can probably get a non-navi Civic Si sedan for 21,000 or less depending on the dealer. Slightly used Si's from 06 or 07 can come to as low as 15,000. The Si average is about 26 mpg combined city highway. If your shooting for any higher mpg's then forget any ideas of a sports car. Unless you want a pretend sports car with a bland Toyota icon_confused.gif

    Another option is to save and wait a year for the release of the Honda CRZ concept. It should be a small hatchback sports hybrid. What that means exactly remains to be seen. It's what the insight should have been
  • cacti

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    Mar 20, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    Trance23Honda CRZ concept


    *boing*
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    Mar 20, 2008 12:46 AM GMT
    Me and my Arrow.... I can still remember the old commercial! LOL!

    I'm biased - but I really like my Audi A3. Good mileage, German engineering, very safe (a must especially if you do a lot of driving) and a reasonable cost. It's the car I plan on having for the next 10 years. My Partner has a Mazda 3 and he really likes it - he's a sales rep and puts a ton of miles on it and has never had a problem.
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    Mar 20, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    cacti said
    *boing*


    Did I forget to mention it will be under $20,000? (Old insight pricing is the goal or so I read) icon_wink.gif
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  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 20, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
    Trance23 said 1)Reasonable cost
    2)Sporty
    3)Great gas mileage?


    Hmm I should make a thread on this... gas mileage and power go hand in hand. The more powerful (sportier) the worse the mileage. Until full EV or sports tuned hybrids hit the market at a reasonable cost is all about tradeoffs.




    I guess thats always been the issue, tradeoffs.... but you guys are giving me some great ideas and I'm taking notes. I'm just such an analyist and then the whole process of making a deal is like a chess match with me.
    I anticipate and know what I will do in terms of cost and what claims they will make... and screw any extended maintenance coverage they try and get you to buy. The last time I bought my Ion I knew the costs (I was off about $5.00 at the end...and I ended up talking about credit scores more than anything when talking to the finance manager.
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    Mar 20, 2008 1:14 AM GMT
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo.

    Oh wait, you wanted reasonable pricing....hmmm....

    Lancer with all options. Good choice mon. It probably won't get 45 mpg, but then most things that are actually 'sporty' don't (the Tesla is an exception, I will admit).

    PLEASE please please please don't call a Toyota, a Honda, or any kind of hybrid 'sporty'. Take it froma straight-acting queer who hangs out on sports-car forums. That's like an insult to car people.

    Except the idiot teens who rice out Honda Accords with huge wings, 20" black rims, and body kits, and those aren't even properly car people anyhow.

    Now don't get me wrong--all of those that have been mentioned are great cars, and there is definite merit to what many people have mentioned, including (most emphasized by other posters) GAS MILEAGE, reliabity, slow rate of depreciation, GAS MILEAGE, popularity, GAS MILEAGE, ease of repair (most mechanics can't screw them up), and of course GAS MILEAGE.

    But if it's gas mileage you want, hold out for BMW 520d, whenever we get the chance to bring it America. It's a BMW 5-series, so we know it's sporty, and recent automotive tests show it gets better mileage than the Prius, and probably only costs $10k more...

    But if it's money you care about, get the Lancer for 10k less than the Prius and use up $4,000 more in gas by the time you getting around to selling this car.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 20, 2008 1:19 AM GMT
    Sporty doesn't mean sports car. Sporty to me means fun to drive, which my Toyota Matrix XR 5-speed.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 20, 2008 1:27 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidSporty doesn't mean sports car. Sporty to me means fun to drive, which my Toyota Matrix XR 5-speed.


    Well good point Tim. All I drive are 5 speeds...
    No automatics here
  • metta

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    Mar 20, 2008 1:28 AM GMT
    Toyota Prius

    With gas prices approaching over $4/gallon this summer, Toyota reliablility, and the price is not bad either, you may want to consider checking it out. I would not call it sporty, but it is practicle with lots of space inside:

    2008-Prius-Hybrid-5.jpg

    I have a tendency to drive fast...well...lets just say it is more than a tendency. One of my friends told me that the Prius was a good car but did not have much power...I thought good...it will help slow me down. Well, I have been driving faster than ever. The engine does not shift gears, it just increases without it and it climbs hills without losing any power. Oh well, it is fun to drive and I never have to use a key for my car again...

    I was surprised how much stuff the car can fit. I take a lot of stuff to the post office for my businesses and I originally thought that it was going to be too small for me...but it has been great in that respect as well.
  • metta

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    Mar 20, 2008 1:30 AM GMT
    Trance23 said[quote][cite]cacti said[/cite]
    *boing*


    Did I forget to mention it will be under $20,000? (Old insight pricing is the goal or so I read) icon_wink.gif
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    That is nice....I have not seen that one yet.

    I did see the Honda is bringing out their hydrogen car this year.