Why obesity is a national security threat

  • metta

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    Dec 14, 2010 6:58 PM GMT


    Why obesity is a national security threat

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/06/frum.obesity.military/index.html?hpt=C1
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    Dec 15, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    oh, please.....how is any political thing in here "gay news" in particular most of the time? (see the Israel/MidEast posts, for example)
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    Dec 15, 2010 2:59 PM GMT

    Menergy_1, he hates Metta8. I think he's jealous. You should have seen the way he lashed out at Metta when Metta was nominated for MOTD.

    -Doug
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    Dec 15, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
    Because the article briefly compared one issue (obesity) with DADT in terms of how many folks were separated from the services on account of being gay or too fat.

    At least that's my best guess for why the OP linked it...
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    I suggest SB go and launch an attack at this topic

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/206794?forumpage=1

    -Doug
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:03 PM GMT
    LMAO @ "Don't eat - Don't swell" icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
    ...and while you're at it SB, do this one too

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/568009


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    Dec 15, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
    ...and don't forget to slap the OP on this one SB.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/493179?forumpage=5
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    Metta8, I could clobber you for this.... you really are a shit-starter.
    Now here comes another one of Chuckystud's 'roid-fueled tirades about overweight people.
    Thanks, man.... really, thanks a big fuckin' heap.

    {SAHEM62896 stomps upstairs to the loft, tosses himself into a beanbag chair, and grabs a magazine to wait out the storm}
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    Yay I love David Frum!

    There was also another article I used a ways back in a term paper discussing how often soldiers get sent back (5-6 tours sometimes) and a huge part of these folks are also wind up being people who should normally have never been sent, they were unfit to fight but the army needed them regardless.
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    Now THIS one is priceless and SB even participated in it.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1217875

    Oh wait, they're buddies.

    -Doug
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidNow here comes another one of Chuckystud's 'roid-fueled tirades about overweight people.


    Haha. This made me laugh out loud!

    We have the same 'problem' in the UK armed forces, but it seems to be down to a stricter enforcement of the fitmess standards, rather than people being generally less fit.
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    Dec 15, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    9ins of fat is theoretical bullet proof.
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    Dec 15, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
    Not a big fan of federal intervention or funding for anti-obesity campaigns (aside from enforcing existing fitness standards for the military services).

    Perhaps publishing some guidelines, and some bully-pulpit type speech from our leaders to adopt a fitness lifestyle.

    And perhaps medical insurers could start pricing plans/discounts to favour the healthier and trimmer folks.

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    Dec 15, 2010 6:43 PM GMT
    mnboy said9ins of fat is theoretical bullet proof.


    Yeah, but you ain't gonna dodge many bullets carrying 9ins of fat! Then there's the RPGs, rockets, mortars...etc
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    Dec 15, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    metta8 said

    Why obesity is a national security threat

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/06/frum.obesity.military/index.html?hpt=C1


    I read this article last week.

    Americans are dieing from obesity at around 2 MILLION per year. Compare that to about 3400, for all illegal drug use, combined.

    We have to clean up the schools, educate ignorant parents, and intervene before fat asses get too far gone. We'd do it for an alcoholic; we'd do it for a junkie; we need to be doing it for fat asses.

    We have a huge number of lost work days, and astronomical health care costs for these folks. It's been time to take action for some time now.
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    Dec 15, 2010 6:53 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidNot a big fan of federal intervention or funding for anti-obesity campaigns (aside from enforcing existing fitness standards for the military services).

    Perhaps publishing some guidelines, and some bully-pulpit type speech from our leaders to adopt a fitness lifestyle.

    And perhaps medical insurers could start pricing plans/discounts to favour the healthier and trimmer folks.



    That's been going on for years. It hasn't worked.

    LOL. Many of the "leaders" are fat asses, too.

    E.g. Dick Cheney: had a heart attack lately?
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    Dec 15, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    Most successes from public health interventions have been made without involving much effort of the people that the policies are targeted towards. If it takes too much thinking or volunteer effort, chances are your end result won't happen. Even well-meaning doctors who should be washing their hands (who don't) don't escape this tendency for laziness.

    It only takes a very slight incentive or disincentive to discourage people from doing the wrong things. E.g. put that soda up high on the shelves, add a tax to sodas, or make people wait in long lines for that fried food while opening up lanes for more healthy food to be served. Solution for doctors who won't wash their hands: place antibacterial alcohol stations everywhere to make it so easy for them to sanitize their hands.

    Given a choice between giving the people a chance to really want to lose weight but can't, vs. people who become less fat through little or no effort on their part but through policies that are noncoercive, I would take the latter any day of the week.

    Results trump morality.
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    Dec 16, 2010 12:40 AM GMT
    You know why Boehner smokes? Because he can't bear the thought of gaining 50 pounds after he quits, if he doesn't quit the good food. icon_lol.gif

    [smoking is well known to keep weights down, and many an ex-smoker has relapsed due to weight gain]
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    Dec 16, 2010 12:47 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidMost successes from public health interventions have been made without involving much effort of the people that the policies are targeted towards. If it takes too much thinking or volunteer effort, chances are your end result won't happen. Even well-meaning doctors who should be washing their hands (who don't) don't escape this tendency for laziness.

    It only takes a very slight incentive or disincentive to discourage people from doing the wrong things. E.g. put that soda up high on the shelves, add a tax to sodas, or make people wait in long lines for that fried food while opening up lanes for more healthy food to be served. Solution for doctors who won't wash their hands: place antibacterial alcohol stations everywhere to make it so easy for them to sanitize their hands.

    Given a choice between giving the people a chance to really want to lose weight but can't, vs. people who become less fat through little or no effort on their part but through policies that are noncoercive, I would take the latter any day of the week.

    Results trump morality.


    I think that some folks have forgotten about the eradication of small pox, polio, measles, and German measles, put forth by numerous public works programs.

    Folks, left to their own ends, might not be able to afford measles shots, etc., but, in public works programs where resources are mustered, everyone gets taken care of. Folks like SB are quick to forget those programs, as well. Small pox, for all practical purposes, has been wiped out because of them.

    When I was a kid, we were ALL taken into the gym, and given German measles shots.

    Sometimes, you do things for the public good. That concept seems to elude SB.

    Because we have schools that enforce vaccinations, in most states, much disease has been avoided. It's the same sort of thing with obesity. It's the right thing to take action. MILLIONS of folks are dieing, needlessly.

    Folks like SB need to think of the global, and national, village, instead of just themselves. When they do, we're all the better off for it.

    Those public works programs have prevented millions from suffering.
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    Dec 16, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidYou know why Boehner smokes? Because he can't bear the thought of gaining 50 pounds after he quits, if he doesn't quit the good food. icon_lol.gif

    [smoking is well known to keep weights down, and many an ex-smoker has relapsed due to weight gain]


    Do you know why smoking makes you lose weight? Your body has to work much harder to pump blood and oxygen around due to the massive amounts of oxidative stress you introduce to the blood, killing blood cells in massive numbers, causing you to be unnaturally in the hypoxic state. Breathing itself is much more difficult when your lung efficiency sucks thanks to the particles and death to functional tissue.
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    Dec 16, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    Nicotine is both a stimulant and sedative. It also acts to moderate blood sugar, and moderates appetite. These effects have been well known for a long time.

    Folks who smoke miss twice as many workdays as regular people. They are 10 times more likely to have a disease that costs $100,000, or more, to treat. That's a bit more than morbidly obese folks.

    Obese smokers are walking time bombs in terms of health care.

    Ironically, being overweight, just a bit, over the age of 70, increases mortality. Researchers aren't quite sure why.
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    Dec 16, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    bluey2223 said

    Do you know why smoking makes you lose weight? Your body has to work much harder to pump blood and oxygen around due to the massive amounts of oxidative stress you introduce to the blood, killing blood cells in massive numbers, causing you to be unnaturally in the hypoxic state. Breathing itself is much more difficult when your lung efficiency sucks thanks to the particles and death to functional tissue.


    Not that I disagree with you about oxidative stress, but smokers are usually more polycythemic than nonsmokers, and it's because of the hypoxia. In fact I can usually look at somebody's labs and make an educated guess whether they are smokers or not, without even seeing/smelling them in person. icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 16, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    I think a huge problem is the food industry.

    The food industry has been playing psychological games with our minds for decades. Enter a normal supermarket... study the layout of the store, where products are located, what types of "smells" there are, etc.
    Look at the labels on the food products.
    Go see how many thousands of different products there are.
    It's enough to bombard the senses.
    Or watch Saturady morning cartoons for the food commericals.

    Also, unhealthy foods are generally a lot more expensive--thank you government subsides.

    The other day I bought two bags of carrots for about $3. The total calories between both bags was ~500 cal. I then noticed that Eddys Ice Cream was on sale for $2.50. Out of curiosity, I looked on the back of the container and saw that the total calories for the entire container was ~1800. wtf?

    I think most businesses in the industrial food chain are immoral. Just becuase you can sell a product and make a shit load of money does not mean it is moral or the right thing to do.

    Sure I can make money marketing McDonald's, Fruit Loops, Coca-Cola, etc. to children (or anyone in general)... but should I? (knowing full well that the majority of American parents have a skewed idea of what "healthy" means).

    Two world views:

    1.) My cousin, who has 4 kids, has already fed McDonald's to his youngest--2 year old girl.

    2.) My trainer has an 10 year old girl... who didn't know what Kool-Aid or Twinkies were when she went to go play at her friends house--my trainer had to explain to her what they were since the girl only eats food that my trainer cooks.

    I grew up in a household similar to my cousin--thankfully, my parents shaped up their act up over the years.
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    Dec 16, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    Our country needs a hero...