Only 40% of Americans are glad that the Republicans gained seats in the 2010 election.

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    Dec 16, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Republican politicians and the lockstep supporters of the Republican party need to wake up and smell the coffee.
    The American people just aren't that into you.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121405575.html?hpid=topnews
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    Dec 16, 2010 10:07 AM GMT
    40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.
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    Dec 16, 2010 10:44 AM GMT
    The Republicans have stated all along that they realized the election was not an endorsement of them. It was instead a forceful repudiation of the Democratic arrogance and left-wing progressive ideology. If the Republicans heed this, they will do even better in 2012. Although those who call themselves liberal is app 20%, those more radical liberal is likely much less.
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    Dec 16, 2010 10:49 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.

    Many Republicans also favor civil rights. And we will have more influence changing other moderate minds within the Republican Party than will gay Democrats.

    Also, right on the death tax. What is really behind it is the Democratic intent to seize assets and redistribute not just income, but wealth. Building for your kids is something they reject, because not everyone has parents who want to do same. It is part of the class warfare, class envy, class resentment that drives their Bush tax cut extension discussion. Economic matters are secondary to them.
  • Mepark

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    Dec 16, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    I'm not happy about a Republican takeover of this magnitude either (though I do support checks and balances of some sort) but shouldn't a poll like this be done when they actually take over and enough time passes for us to have something to support or not?
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    Dec 16, 2010 6:06 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.


    Your thinking is actually not very unlike mine. You're basically a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Pretty "libertarianesque".
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    Dec 16, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.


    Your thinking is actually not very unlike mine. You're basically a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Pretty "libertarianesque".


    There is no such thing as a "death tax." There is an estate tax, that only applies to a very small percentage of estates.

    For the most part, those people with small businesses have those businesses incorporated or some other legal construction and they do not pass through as part of the person's estate.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 16, 2010 11:09 PM GMT
    It doesn't matter if either the democrats or republicans are in control because it is going to be the same old shit. Both democrats and republicans are only interested in their own self aggrandizement. The people of this great country be damned.
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    Dec 17, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.

    Many Republicans also favor civil rights. And we will have more influence changing other moderate minds within the Republican Party than will gay Democrats.

    Also, right on the death tax. What is really behind it is the Democratic intent to seize assets and redistribute not just income, but wealth. Building for your kids is something they reject, because not everyone has parents who want to do same. It is part of the class warfare, class envy, class resentment that drives their Bush tax cut extension discussion. Economic matters are secondary to them.


    If many Republicans favor civil rights, why isn't that reflected with the politicians elected? The divide for ending DADT is pretty much along party lines. You even have gay Republican politicians demonizing homosexuality. Are they misjudging their own constituency?
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    socalfitness said
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.

    Many Republicans also favor civil rights. And we will have more influence changing other moderate minds within the Republican Party than will gay Democrats.

    Also, right on the death tax. What is really behind it is the Democratic intent to seize assets and redistribute not just income, but wealth. Building for your kids is something they reject, because not everyone has parents who want to do same. It is part of the class warfare, class envy, class resentment that drives their Bush tax cut extension discussion. Economic matters are secondary to them.


    If many Republicans favor civil rights, why isn't that reflected with the politicians elected? The divide for ending DADT is pretty much along party lines. You even have gay Republican politicians demonizing homosexuality. Are they misjudging their own constituency?



    Nope.
    They're playing to the religious right base - which is the base of the Republican party.
    A strong majority of Republican voters are against equal rights for gay Americans.
    That's just a fact.
    Hopefully, someday that will change - but here and now, the Republican party couldn't survive without keeping the religious right extremist base of their party happy.
    And denying gay Americans equal rights is a big part of keeping the religious right-wingers happy.
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    Dec 17, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.




    The point of this thread is to fact check the delusions of many of the right-wingers here on RJ who seem to think that the 2010 election was indicative of a huge surge of support for the Republican party and it's agenda.
    It was NOT.

    The Repubs won a bunch of seats last month because more Repubs showed up and voted.
    Period.
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    Dec 17, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.





    I took a law course on "Wills, Trusts and Estate Planning."
    There are any number of ways for people to set up their estate to avoid paying ANY "death tax."

    You're "Fiscally Republican."
    Then, you must be tickled pink with the George W. Bush Great Depression !
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    Dec 17, 2010 4:42 AM GMT
    Webster666 said
    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.





    I took a law course on "Wills, Trusts and Estate Planning."
    There are any number of ways for people to set up their estate to avoid paying ANY "death tax."

    You're "Fiscally Republican."
    Then, you must be tickled pink with the George W. Bush Great Depression !



    LOL!
    Nice one.

    I'm always amazed at folks who say that they lean Republican because the Repubs are more fiscally responsible.
    Ha!
    They must've been under a rock for the last 30 years.
  • HereNBoston

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    Dec 17, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    socalfitness said

    Also, right on the death tax. What is really behind it is the Democratic intent to seize assets and redistribute not just income, but wealth. Building for your kids is something they reject, because not everyone has parents who want to do same. It is part of the class warfare, class envy, class resentment that drives their Bush tax cut extension discussion. Economic matters are secondary to them.


    that's a pretty loaded statement considering that the bush tax cuts were an unfunded give away to the top earners in the country. Unfortunately republicans can't have it both ways. You can't spend two years complaining about spending and deficits, and then demand that a piss poor tax policy be continued. They're just getting more shameless in their tactics of doing anything to benefit large corporations for short term gain at the expense of long term prosperity.

    the democrats have a lot of issues ranging from a lack of clear message, bad p.r. skills, and overall weakness when it comes to taking a stand.... on anything. health care reform, financial reform, finally getting rid of the fiscally irresponsible (yes, they are irresponsible) tax cuts, don't ask don't tell, foreign policy... pretty much any time they meet resistance, they back down.

    And you also have to look at the electorate. this country is facing some huge issues that a majority probably can't even understand given that the average american can't even read at a high school level. They want everything. right now. and don't understand the contradictions inherent in that. "Tell the government to keep their hands off my medicare" is my personal favorite. Though for saying that, I know I just get labeled as an elitist... aka someone that reads.

    I suppose I'd have to label myself an independent. I don't get caught up in this partisan bickering since both sides are equally corrupt and ineffective.

    though for people who think democrats are all about seizing wealth and big government and such... i guess they need to be reminded that the bush administration oversaw the largest expansion of government in over a generation. just saying.
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    Dec 17, 2010 5:42 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    The point of this thread is to fact check the delusions of many of the right-wingers here on RJ who seem to think that the 2010 election was indicative of a huge surge of support for the Republican party and it's agenda.
    It was NOT.





    Lemme get this straight, Rick "I repeat for the millionth time I hate Republicans" Rick....you're quoting some random poll from the Washington Post/ABC News as "fact". LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! If you want "delusional", take a good gander in the nearest mirror. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck. Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.


    The point of this thread is to fact check the delusions of many of the right-wingers here on RJ who seem to think that the 2010 election was indicative of a huge surge of support for the Republican party and it's agenda. It was NOT. The Repubs won a bunch of seats last month because more Repubs showed up and voted. Period.


    100% True.
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    Dec 17, 2010 6:23 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidThere is no such thing as a "death tax." There is an estate tax, that only applies to a very small percentage of estates.


    The estate tax is the death tax.
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    JAKEBENSON said40% is quite a large number. I mean, it's not 18%.

    And no, Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee too. For example we need to end this "death tax": making people who saved over 2 million dollars in their life time give HALF of their wealth to the gov't when they die. How the fuck do you expect small businesses to survive? I'm glad the Republicans got more seats because Obama is secretly part-Republican and more shit will get done now....I hope....except for the gay issues, which suck.

    Fiscally Republican here. Though Democrat with civil rights. Therefore, stuck in the middle and I hate both parties.


    The point of this thread is to fact check the delusions of many of the right-wingers here on RJ who seem to think that the 2010 election was indicative of a huge surge of support for the Republican party and it's agenda.
    It was NOT.

    The Repubs won a bunch of seats last month because more Repubs showed up and voted.
    Period.


    No, the Republicans won seats last month because many voters were disenfranchised by the current Democrats in congress: Socalfitness is correct. The 2010 election was not necessarily indicative of a huge support for Republicans, but was indicative of a huge wave of people who finally got over Obama's "Yes We Can" illusory campaign which was just hype to get him into office. I mean, he's not a BAD president, but this whole "Hope" thing is such fucking bullshit and a lot of people realized that in 2010. He pushed himself to be a 10, which is what he needed to win in 2008. But in reality we're all seeing him out to be just a 6, maybe a 7.
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    Dec 17, 2010 6:37 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said

    No, the Republicans won seats last month because many voters were disenfranchised by the current Democrats in congress: Socalfitness is correct. The 2010 election was not necessarily indicative of a huge support for Republicans, but was indicative of a huge wave of people who finally got over Obama's "Yes We Can" illusory campaign which was just hype to get him into office. I mean, he's not a BAD president, but this whole "Hope" thing is such fucking bullshit and a lot of people realized that in 2010. He pushed himself to be a 10, which is what he needed to win in 2008. But in reality we're all seeing him out to be just a 6, maybe a 7.


    There was actually a really interesting article in speigel (i totally spelled it wrong) about how americans have a tradition of voting in one direction when they get fed up with whoever is in power. then, expecting immediate results, become disenfranchised, and vote the other party into a majority and mess up any chance of progress.

    It was a pretty frank look at american politics that sort of made me sad because you'd never see that kind of analysis in any american press. what makes it even more sad is that it took a german newspaper to point that out.
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    JAKEBENSON said

    No, the Republicans won seats last month because many voters were disenfranchised by the current Democrats in congress: Socalfitness is correct. The 2010 election was not necessarily indicative of a huge support for Republicans, but was indicative of a huge wave of people who finally got over Obama's "Yes We Can" illusory campaign which was just hype to get him into office. I mean, he's not a BAD president, but this whole "Hope" thing is such fucking bullshit and a lot of people realized that in 2010. He pushed himself to be a 10, which is what he needed to win in 2008. But in reality we're all seeing him out to be just a 6, maybe a 7.


    There was actually a really interesting article in speigel (i totally spelled it wrong) about how americans have a tradition of voting in one direction when they get fed up with whoever is in power. then, expecting immediate results, become disenfranchised, and vote the other party into a majority and mess up any chance of progress.

    It was a pretty frank look at american politics that sort of made me sad because you'd never see that kind of analysis in any american press. what makes it even more sad is that it took a german newspaper to point that out.


    Wow that's pretty amazing! And you can count on America to not count on intellect when it goes to the news. *sigh*
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    JAKEBENSON said

    No, the Republicans won seats last month because many voters were disenfranchised by the current Democrats in congress: Socalfitness is correct. The 2010 election was not necessarily indicative of a huge support for Republicans, but was indicative of a huge wave of people who finally got over Obama's "Yes We Can" illusory campaign which was just hype to get him into office. I mean, he's not a BAD president, but this whole "Hope" thing is such fucking bullshit and a lot of people realized that in 2010. He pushed himself to be a 10, which is what he needed to win in 2008. But in reality we're all seeing him out to be just a 6, maybe a 7.


    There was actually a really interesting article in speigel (i totally spelled it wrong) about how americans have a tradition of voting in one direction when they get fed up with whoever is in power. then, expecting immediate results, become disenfranchised, and vote the other party into a majority and mess up any chance of progress.

    It was a pretty frank look at american politics that sort of made me sad because you'd never see that kind of analysis in any american press. what makes it even more sad is that it took a german newspaper to point that out.
    Not really. I think it's common knowledge. "What? The republicans made me lose my job? I'm voting democrat. What? I haven't gotten it back? I'm voting independent."

    The joys of a two-and-a-half-party system. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 17, 2010 7:20 AM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos said Not really. I think it's common knowledge. "What? The republicans made me lose my job? I'm voting democrat. What? I haven't gotten it back? I'm voting independent."

    The joys of a two-and-a-half-party system. icon_rolleyes.gif



    point was, no one seems to look at why this happens. and how the idea of giving obama to work didn't seem to be an option even though hey the economy didnt collapse, gdp did grow.. a few decent (although still weak) pieces of legislation were passed that did some good for people.

    so instead.... they took away his majority in congress and now he really won't be able to do much. yeah... that makes sense icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 17, 2010 11:46 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThere is no such thing as a "death tax." There is an estate tax, that only applies to a very small percentage of estates.


    The estate tax is the death tax.


    No. "Death tax" is a phrase made by Republican pollster Frank Luntz to get middle class people to support the economic interests of multi-millionaires and billionaires.
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    Bullwinklemoos said Not really. I think it's common knowledge. "What? The republicans made me lose my job? I'm voting democrat. What? I haven't gotten it back? I'm voting independent."

    The joys of a two-and-a-half-party system. icon_rolleyes.gif



    point was, no one seems to look at why this happens. and how the idea of giving obama to work didn't seem to be an option even though hey the economy didnt collapse, gdp did grow.. a few decent (although still weak) pieces of legislation were passed that did some good for people.

    so instead.... they took away his majority in congress and now he really won't be able to do much. yeah... that makes sense icon_rolleyes.gif

    I occasionally read German magazines and newspapers. I did not look at the article you indicated, but you have to realize Der Spiegel and other publications definitely have their own political slant. I agree with the observation that voter opinions can come in waves, first favoring one party, then the other. But I disagree with the opinion that the vote resulted from impatience with not giving Obama enough time for good things to happen. Many, including myself, believe that aside from the arrogance demonstrated by Democrats the past few years, the vote represented the view that Obama's policies and his ideology are not what is good for the country, and that we do not want the US to follow the lead of Western European countries. Of note - over the recent years Germany has moved away from the direction Obama would like to take us, but for them the movement is slow and difficult, given the strength of unions, etc. Some of the positive aspects to their economic picture result from this movement.
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    Dec 17, 2010 3:06 PM GMT

    Thanks for your first post, JAKE. That was quite an education I got by looking up estate taxes in the US.

    Yikes. Our far far left leaning NDP party wanted to bring in these kinds of additional taxes back when the Liberals fell in Ottawa.
    Needless to say we voted Conservative federally.


    -Doug