Vote on DADT repeal will be Saturday morning

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    Dec 17, 2010 4:12 AM GMT
    According to Huffpost
  • Mepark

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    Dec 17, 2010 4:15 AM GMT

    That would be the procedural vote.
    ....and this could be bad.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/12/sen_ron_wyden_diagnosed_with_p.html
  • mybud

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    Dec 17, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    I have written both Missouri Senators and congressmen....this week.....I encourage all of this forum to do the same by Saturday....BUD
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    Dec 17, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    If it happens, it happens... Hoping for the best! But you can never be sure how people will end up voting for these types of things.
  • jeepguySD

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    Dec 17, 2010 6:30 AM GMT
    After the recent disappointments in the Senate, I have little faith that they'll 1) vote, or 2) repeal.

    It seems more likely now that the courts will decide the issue, not the Senate.

    Thanks to the House for voting twice to repeal.
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    Dec 17, 2010 6:42 AM GMT
    If it goes to vote the Senate will pass it, the real question is if there will be time before the end of the year. The votes are there, now that Republicans Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe (Maine), Scott Brown(Mass.), and Lisa Murkowski(Alaska) are on board.
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    Dec 17, 2010 7:12 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    That would be the procedural vote.
    ....and this could be bad.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/12/sen_ron_wyden_diagnosed_with_p.html


    You are correct, it is not the final vote, but rather a procedural vote for cloture (to end the filibuster). If we can get past this hurdle things will be looking very good for us. If we get the 60 votes on Saturday to end the filibuster, then we'll have to wait 30 hours before a final vote on the measure can be had. The good news there is that we'll only need a majority of Senators (not the 60 again) to vote for repeal, and then the bill will go to Obama to be signed.

    As usual the biggest enemy will be the clock, and of course our friend McCain and his crew, who I'm sure are already cooking up ways to make sure this vote doesn't happen...
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    Dec 17, 2010 8:37 AM GMT
    Suecer4 saidIf it goes to vote the Senate will pass it, the real question is if there will be time before the end of the year. The votes are there, now that Republicans Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe (Maine), Scott Brown(Mass.), and Lisa Murkowski(Alaska) are on board.


    Assuming no one flip flops.
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    Dec 17, 2010 10:18 AM GMT
    McCain will wiggle his limp dick around and do everything within his power to make sure it doesn't pass, and he will have full support of the majority of Republicans. On this, I have no doubt.
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    Dec 17, 2010 12:11 PM GMT
    RiverRising saidMcCain will wiggle his limp dick around and do everything within his power to make sure it doesn't pass, and he will have full support of the majority of Republicans. On this, I have no doubt.



    Well if Collins, Snowe, Brown and Murkowski keep their word, there will be more than 60 votes to overcome a filibuster and then to vote approval of the repeal of DADT
  • Menergy_1

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    Dec 17, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
    But Brown's "conditions" of support included the Omnibus bill or Defense spending bill -- which I read has been pulled for lack of support by Reid -- thus leaving one of Brown's two conditions to be passed before he'll vote for the DADT stand-alone repeal bill (the other being the tax bill being enacted). So far both conditions are technically unmet and could provide his escape route for not supporting DADT repeal.....)

    That still eaves the other 3 Republican senators' support (at this time) and supposedly sufficient to meet the 60 vote quota for cloture. Fingers crossed here.

    Of course, Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council have vowed revenge on one of the renegade Repubs (DADT Turncoat Olympia Snowe - R-ME) for her commitment to vote for repeal. :

    "Two Republicans, Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Rep. Jeff Flake (Ariz.), both made stunning decisions to back a bill that could force soldiers to leave their jobs--or be hurt doing them. Despite warnings from General James Amos that overturning "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" would cost Marines lives and limbs, more Republicans are chickening out when the troops need them most. Yesterday, Rep. Flake broke away from the GOP and voted "aye" on the stand-alone repeal. For FRC, who celebrated Jeff's 100% record on our last scorecard, it's a huge disappointment. Only one other Republican that was reelected, Rep. Ron Paul (Texas), joined him. Fortunately, their weakness wasn't the deciding factor in yesterday's 250-175 vote. The House bill was helped along by 63 lame-duckers (emphasis on the lame), who took the easy way out--on their way out.

    Fortunately for Maine, Sen. Olympia Snowe's election is forthcoming. In less than two years, the liberal "Republican" will have to answer for her record of extremism, which now includes jeopardizing national security in order to use the military to advance the Left's radical social agenda. Attempting to explain her turncoat maneuver, Snowe said she arrived at her decision after "careful analysis" (which, considering how her state just voted to protect marriage, probably wasn't as careful as it should have been). Still, her announcement is one of the final pieces to the repeal puzzle for liberals, who may have cracked the 60-votes they need to put this gift under the tree for the 3% of America who lobbied for it."

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 17, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    I have been saying all along, and I continue to say that the repeal WILL happen, probably before Christmas, and that we will see some surprises in the YES votes from Republicans. Now that this has finally come to a stand alone vote, Senators have nothing left to hide behind, and a vote of NO will have them on the wrong side of history and I think they know this. Keep the faith, guys. 'Tis the season! icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 17, 2010 3:21 PM GMT
    The Pugs will find a way to fuck us over. Again.
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    Dec 17, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidThe Pugs will find a way to fuck us over. Again.



    Doom blah blah blah Gloom blah blah blah. Some of you need to just lighten up and think positive. America wants DADT repealed. The Senate knows this, and the House has voted. It's in the cards, so just relax and watch it happen. We will be rejoicing. I can feel it.
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    Dec 17, 2010 3:40 PM GMT
    I agree - can't wait for this to happen!
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    Dec 17, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    rightturn saidI agree - can't wait for this to happen!



    You are such a smart man, Tyler, and I loved TnT time yesterday. Countdown to Bon Voyage!!!! icon_lol.gif
  • Mepark

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    Dec 17, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    We have somewhat of a friend in the conservative caucus now.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101216/us_yblog_thelookout/toomey-supports-dont-ask-repeal
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    Dec 17, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    Is Toomey voting? (He doesn't take office till next year, no?)
    More importantly, is Ron Wyden (D) voting? Who knows if his prostate surgery will be event-free?
  • Mepark

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    Dec 17, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIs Toomey voting? (He doesn't take office till next year, no?)
    More importantly, is Ron Wyden (D) voting? Who knows if his prostate surgery will be event-free?


    You're right he's not taking over just yet, but this is a huge, yet possibly pointless endorsement.
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    Dec 17, 2010 5:54 PM GMT
    The foes of DADT repeal are in kind of a bind.

    If they vote for the bill, then the law is repealed.

    If they don't vote for the bill, then they are chancing an immediate strike-down my the Courts.

    Either way DADT is gone.

    By voting for the bill, however, the supporters of DADT will at least keep the process of eliminating DADT under the control of the military. I am sure this is why Obama, Gates, and some military brass support repeal. So they can drag the process out for years.

    I almost wish for going with the Courts. Cuz once it is declared unconstitutional, it is gone gone, and they can't bring it back. With congressional repeal, who knows how much and under what conditions DADT will be dismantled.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 17, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 saidThe foes of DADT repeal are in kind of a bind.

    If they vote for the bill, then the law is repealed.

    If they don't vote for the bill, then they are chancing an immediate strike-down my the Courts.

    Either way DADT is gone.

    By voting for the bill, however, the supporters of DADT will at least keep the process of eliminating DADT under the control of the military. I am sure this is why Obama, Gates, and some military brass support repeal. So they can drag the process out for years.

    I almost wish for going with the Courts. Cuz once it is declared unconstitutional, it is gone gone, and they can't bring it back. With congressional repeal, who knows how much and under what conditions DADT will be dismantled.




    I disagree, one thing virtually all major military brass have said is that if/when DADT is repealed, it must be done delicately and with the right groundwork and proper training in place. The courts removing DADT abruptly could undermine this and be far more disruptive.
  • creature

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    Dec 18, 2010 12:19 PM GMT
    According to Lieberman, the final vote will be Monday, or Tuesday at the latest. If any additional Republicans decide to jump in and support the repeal, they will probably wait until then, and once the votes cross the 60-vote threshold.
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    Dec 18, 2010 12:53 PM GMT
    They also need to ratify the bloody START treaty!
  • Menergy_1

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    Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    creature saidAccording to Lieberman, the final vote will be Monday, or Tuesday at the latest. If any additional Republicans decide to jump in and support the repeal, they will probably wait until then, and once the votes cross the 60-vote threshold.


    But they only need 51 ayes to pass the actual bill, a simple majority, as opposed to 60 votes for cloture. I think the 51 will be there, plus.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 18, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    I am being cautiously optimistic on DADT repeal. I hope it happens before the end of the year. This is long overdue.