(?) Grams of fat per day

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    Dec 18, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    Ok this question is for ya'll who have those fricking sick washboard abs.
    Do you guys eat burgers?

    Does consuming some fat make it harder to make the abdominis muscle more visible? How much fat can you get away with? I want a burger. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 19, 2010 4:25 AM GMT
    No I don't eat burgers.. too much saturated fat.

    You can eat fat. Just know that you will be eating less total food because fat is a caloric-dense nutrient, containing 9 Calories per gram, compared to carbohydrate or protein, which have 4 Calories per gram. It is excess calories that will cause you to store fat, we believe.

    So if you want a burger, have it. Just watch everything else you eat and don't do it regularly because red meat regularly is supposed to increase your risk of colon cancer and the means in which it is cooked can create other carcinogens (such as char from high fat dripping flare ups). Choose a leaner one (yea they're less tasty).

    I look at it this way: I could go have sauteed veggies with an olive oil dressing over a bean and rice dish that has fewer calories and a LOT more food and better nutrition and healthy fats. I TASTE my fats and enjoy them, rather than getting a lump of it in a chunk of cow.
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    Dec 19, 2010 4:38 AM GMT
    I eat what I want, when I want. Run once a week, workout four to five days a week. Thankfully it works for me. Life's too short to obsess about diet. Make decent choices most of the time.
  • ArmsandLegs

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    Dec 19, 2010 4:54 AM GMT
    Everything in moderation, including moderationicon_biggrin.gif
    A burger every now and again won't ruin your dreams of a six+ pack as long as the rest of your diet is in check.

    Abs are made in the kitchen afterall!
  • calibro

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    Dec 19, 2010 5:07 AM GMT
    fat is actually incredibly important for your diet and for getting cut
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    Dec 19, 2010 9:58 AM GMT
    Absolutely. You just have to watch your mics. Like a general rule of thumb is that your calories should be at maintenance level to not gain weight and your protein intake should be enough to not lose lean tissues.
  • coastguy90814

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    Dec 19, 2010 11:00 AM GMT
    kyleray saidOk this question is for ya'll who have those fricking sick washboard abs.
    Do you guys eat burgers?

    Does consuming some fat make it harder to make the abdominis muscle more visible? How much fat can you get away with? I want a burger. icon_neutral.gif


    Dude you are so misinformed...I love burgers and it's not about the Fat. It's about calories and sugar intake. Follow me on Facebook for more info: http://www.facebook.com/BELIEVE8
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    Dec 19, 2010 12:54 PM GMT
    kyleray saidOk this question is for ya'll who have those fricking sick washboard abs.
    Do you guys eat burgers?

    Does consuming some fat make it harder to make the abdominis muscle more visible? How much fat can you get away with? I want a burger. icon_neutral.gif


    Little One, it's not as simple as all that.

    Definition is a function of body fat levels. "Abs" show up at around 8% body fat and lower.

    Body fat gets regulated by how, what, when, you eat, and, your activity level.

    You've probably seen "skinny fat" with no muscle, and no abs. There's just not enough calories.

    You're probably seen "big and ripped" with lots of muscle, and very lean: lots of calories, and lot of activity.

    Understanding The Human Machine is what it gets down to. In particular, understanding the role of of insulin, and how it shapes body fat levels, and promotes anabolism, is critical. The short version: Small meals often, plenty of calories, lots of activity, and fast sugars only right after working out, makes for an optimized machine (a highy fueled furnace). You need to understand that relationship with insulin. It's NOT about calorie restriction, but, rather, stable blood sugar levels, and eating enough to support high activity levels. You'll want to research if further, on your own.

    When I get super lean (say 6% and lower), I bring my calories UP, and get very busy with HIIT, and the body burns hot, and you get lean.

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    Your question doesn't have enough facts for an appropriate answer. We don't know what your activity level is, what your lean muscle mass is, and your current weight. You haven't provided the proper information. There's not enough information for a guess.

    You NEED fats. You should have poly and mono fats EVERY day.

    Here's my actual food intake for a day when I looked like I did above.

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    Keep your calories UP. Get busy with HIIT. Eat small meals often, keep the fast sugars to just post workout. You'll turn your body into raging furnace.

    If you restrict calories, you'll stay small; you'll be sluggish; and your body will become optimized to store fat (it's called the feast famine syndrome ) and you'll induce metabolic lag and defeat yourself through a bad plan.

    Eat.

    Understand, that guy in the mag (the fitness athlete or the body builder) is highly trained, taking goodies (AAS, diuretics, T3/T4) and is lighted just right. You won't look like that unless you do all those things. Don't starve yourself in an effort to get there. You'll just fuck up your metabolism, make yourself skinny, and look, and feel, like crap.

    Eat. Lift. Go run bleachers, lines, do the stairs, play basketball, play hockey, etc. HIIT is where it's at. EAT. Eat the burger you want. Listen to your body. It's telling you to eat.
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    Dec 20, 2010 8:36 AM GMT
    Just pointing out that Chucky is not a registered dietitian and lacks any formal education in human physiology in relation to nutrition intake and physical activity from a university. His diet lacks any semblance of fruits and vegetables and has too much protein especially from animal sources and should not be advising people with such dated information he may have learned from bro-school.

    Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. But you must have a bachelor's in dietetics from an accredited American Dietetic Association university, 900 hours of dietetic internship (residency for the RD in the medical field), sit for an exam for state license, and complete 75 hrs of continuing education every five years afterwards. I personally have a BS in nutritional sciences and am 2 food service systems management classes away from finishing the dietetics portion before I am eligible for my 900 hr internship. I also have a BS in kinesiology and am working on a masters in exercise physiology, which further qualify me to know the science behind appropriate recommendations and why such recommendations may be safer than consuming too much protein.

    It's also a shame that medical doctors feel they are qualified to give nutritional advice considering their education focuses on pharmacology, pathophysiology, diagnosis, and surgery.

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  • _gingin

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    Dec 21, 2010 9:16 AM GMT
    i just eat, really. anything.

    im endowed with a maniacal metabolism that burns everything away
    that means its easier for me to get definition, but very hard to put on any muscle. except on my legs.

    lucky? only if you're looking from outside.
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    Dec 21, 2010 9:19 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said"Bro-school"......Wow...such impressive, dignified and intelligent language for someone with SOOO much education.

    After you finish your master's degree I strongly suggest you get Mommy and Daddy to pay for some type of rigorous charm school intensive program. You really could use some social etiquette conditioning.

    Oh and you may not think it is important but you might want to brush up on your grammar skills. It is rather curious that you boast of your advanced educational achievements yet I know of seventh graders that can construct sentences with less grammatical errors than you.

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    Please point out where the grammatical errors are.

    Also, you do steroids. You said so on the forums.
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:16 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said"Bro-school"......Wow...such impressive, dignified and intelligent language for someone with SOOO much education.

    After you finish your master's degree I strongly suggest you get Mommy and Daddy to pay for some type of rigorous charm school intensive program. You really could use some social etiquette conditioning.

    Oh and you may not think it is important but you might want to brush up on your grammar skills. It is rather curious that you boast of your advanced educational achievements yet I know of seventh graders that can construct sentences with less grammatical errors than you.

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    Hey.... you cheated! He cast flame shield!
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
    For the uninformed, I actually eat a well varied diet. The contest diet doesn't exemplify that.
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:40 PM GMT
    [quote]bluey2223 said.[/quote] Blah, blah, blah. You're depth of knowledge, lack of practical experience, and communications ability, seem to be lacking.

    I know guys who have GEDs that run mult-million dollar organizations. My point is that you appear to be very unprofessional (for a self-declared professional) and seem completely oblivious to The Real World of fitness and the popular culture / tried and true methods surrounding it.

    Sometimes, the hyper-educated are the worst of all in leading others.

    You would do well to broaden the scope of your knowledge so as to gain more practical insight. You really DO make yourself look bad.

    You do yourself a huge disservice by behaving so badly.

    You'll have a hard time in The Real World unless you change your approach.
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    bluey2223 said


    Please point out where the grammatical errors are.

    Also, you do steroids. You said so on the forums.



    I personally think MMTM is right, Bluey. And with your education, I'll bet you would also notice such anomalies if you were reading someone else's work. Such errors are a barrier to others understanding your ideas. Your post could be picked apart in detail; however, the most glaring thing about it to me was not the grammar but the overall bitchiness of it.

    I know that I'm here to benefit from a range of gay men's experiences. If assholes like you cause people to stop sharing their individual fitness experiences, this site will just be another mediocre gay dating site, which is not what I'm looking for.

    I don't always agree with CS (and the guy is definitely cocky, but he appears to have earned that); however, I definitely value his and MMTM's contributions to RJ (more than yours frankly, at this point.)

    Moreover, I don't think that a confident person would feel the need to anchor his response with such personal attacks. Your lashing out seems desperate and beneath someone of your claimed educational status. And there's the thing: we can't actually validate your eduction, can we? --Who's to say you are who you say you are? (And why is it so important to you that strangers acknowledge it, btw?)

    If your ideas have any value, they'll stand on their own. You could have used your "knowledge" to colour CS's advice into something more valuable for the OP. Instead you added no information at all. At best, after reading your bullshit, a person would have faith in neither of you (because CS is an idiot according to you; and, you're obviously a dick.)

    And the steroid comment? Fuckin' lame. Is that the kind of health professional you're gonna be, spitting out someone's private information solely for the purpose of discrediting them when you feel a little bit threatened? Weak.

    You've got some work to do, dude, and it's not on your body. If you don't learn to communicate better, all of your education will be wasted.


    Bump!

    Stop the hate Bluey.
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    Dec 22, 2010 9:42 AM GMT
    Not gonna argue with people who have thousands of posts from trolling forums on RJ with misinformation and can't argue my points on anything other than it "sounded bitchy" in text-form or that the grammar police caught me for using a plural object pronoun with a singular collective noun subject, even though it sounds fine in everyday language. You can't dispute what I said, and you're mad because I'm right and younger than you with more education. Your knowledge of nutrition is not scientific or educated and was learned from people who don't know what they're talking about. Too bad.

    Next cut down please from steroid-using bodybuilders please icon_smile.gif (my bitch smirk). After all, 99% of the male population does not need hormone replacement therapy for any reason at all, but doctors are very quick to prescribe something they get a cut from the pharmaceutical companies for (oops? did I end a sentence with a preposition?!). Just find a doctor who has no qualms at prescribing steroids by word of mouth and now it's called hormone replacement therapy. LOL.
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    Dec 22, 2010 10:32 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidYou should stick to diet and nutrition. But when it comes to endocrinology you have no idea what you are talking about.

    And your grammar is lacking, plain and simple.

    You are also a hypocrite. After wasting my time reading your profile I saw this:

    "but when you start taking personal pride and talk shit and put others down, then you're just an ignorant and inane douche bag."

    Since you have been putting others down here it looks like we can conclude that you are a douche bag. After all they are your own words.

    I can also see why you have never been in a relationship. I do not see you ever being in one either if this is how you treat people. So, be prepared to live your life as an old maid.

    Let's see...exceedingly arrogant, unabashedly hypocritical, mildly racist (you make it clear you are looking for "white" guys in your profile and it offensively tasteless), defensive, socially irrational with less than mediocre looks.

    I bet men are just lining up outside your door to date you.

    I get the impression you are very book smart. However, emotionally and socially you are severely underdeveloped. I feel like I am arguing with a nine year old which basically leaves me unstimulated. I think most people here would agree that you seem a bit "off."


    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/RealJock - hello, exhibit C.
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    Dec 22, 2010 10:48 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidYou should stick to diet and nutrition. But when it comes to endocrinology you have no idea what you are talking about.

    And your grammar is lacking, plain and simple.

    You are also a hypocrite. After wasting my time reading your profile I saw this:

    "but when you start taking personal pride and talk shit and put others down, then you're just an ignorant and inane douche bag."

    Since you have been putting others down here it looks like we can conclude that you are a douche bag. After all they are your own words.

    I can also see why you have never been in a relationship. I do not see you ever being in one either if this is how you treat people. So, be prepared to live your life as an old maid.

    Let's see...exceedingly arrogant, unabashedly hypocritical, mildly racist (you make it clear you are looking for "white" guys in your profile and it offensively tasteless), defensive, socially irrational with less than mediocre looks.

    I bet men are just lining up outside your door to date you.

    I get the impression you are very book smart. However, emotionally and socially you are severely underdeveloped. I feel like I am arguing with a nine year old which basically leaves me unstimulated. I think most people here would agree that you seem a bit "off."




    Damn dude!

    Hot, and you have good grammar. You make me wet ;).

    But seriously, don't let the ding dongs get to you 'cause arguing in the Internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still "special".
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    Dec 22, 2010 10:48 AM GMT
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    FearTheFall said

    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/RealJock - hello, exhibit C.

    Wow...it must take some serious self-loathing to go searching for shit like this. icon_cry.gif

    RealJock is part of a series on Homosexual Deviants.
    Visit the Faggotry Portal for complete coverage.

    Nice work. Thanks.


    LOL I wrote it. It's funny, Mr. Exhibit C #2.
  • neosyllogy

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    Dec 22, 2010 11:57 AM GMT
    I eat the value menu double burgers from wendy's and burger king. icon_biggrin.gif

    Being fat will obscure your abdominals. Eating fat is an important part of being healthy.
    Shooting for roughly 1/3 of calories from fat (~9 Calories per gram of fat, twice what's in protein or carbs) is what I have traditionally shot for. I've been trying to add weight and consuming more, still have a six pack.

    It more comes down to calories in and calories out. Other than that I would recommend meeting body's needs for complete proteins, fats, fiber, vitamins, and the like. Once you're getting everything you need, it's mostly just a matter of total calories.

    People will wax poetic about slow burning carbs, and what foods not to eat. But if you're getting all your essentials (again, not just vitamins, but complete protein, fiber, fats, etc.) then to first order, it's mostly just calories-in-calories-out. I'd recommend keeping a calorie log if you haven't found your groove. Eating every 2-4 hours (whatever works for you) is likely to help you too.
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    Dec 23, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    FearTheFall said

    LOL I wrote it. It's funny, Mr. Exhibit C #2.


    You're responsible for writing:
    "Butthurt about bathhouses aka AIDS holes."
    "A troll disguised as Exhibit E arguing with some random fag."
    "An RJ camwhore uploading his faggotry onto the Jew Tube"
    "The people on RJ get more butthurt than a crowd of niggas when you smash a watermelon on the ground."
    ...and the rest of it?

    I've read all of the "Exhibits" you wrote...I take it you're an "E" then? (it's the least selfhating of the bunch). I stand by the self-loathing comment. This looks like a cry for help, so seriously, are you sure you're doing okay? Being gay isn't a curse...it may not be what your parents wanted for you, but you don't need to beat yourself up because of someone else's disappointment.

    You're not hurting me, man...I worked out all my demons years ago. But if you're writing stuff like this to bully yourself and others like you because you think you deserve it; and then posting links to it in a gay forum to draw people's attention to it, then maybe --hopefully-- you're getting close to calling a helpline or seeing someone.

    Life is awfully long if you're gonna be carrying that kind of baggage around. You deserve love. Give it to yourself.


    LOL I wrote it because, if you couldn't realize, it's funny. Anyone around my age would LOL, well, unless they're PC liberals, which are devoid of humor in a manner akin to Muslims.
  • 4travel

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    Dec 23, 2010 3:56 AM GMT
    I eat fat freely, as well as protein. I cut out the useless carbs that have no actual nutrition such as wheat, grains, rice. Tons of vegetables and fruit. Get your fiber from nutritious sources such as veggies and it all works out. Fat is needed for testosterone creation.
  • LJay

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    Dec 23, 2010 4:01 AM GMT
    My local nutrition nazi says fat chould be no more than 30% of calories. That is on a diet of 1500-2000 calories per day.

    33% does not sound bad either.

    Burger should be OK once in while if you keep your "budget" in mind.

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    Dec 23, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    Fat is essential to get lean so don't cut fat remove sugar and man made carbs from your diet.
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    Dec 24, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
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    Polys and monos are good for you. Fat is good.