The Olympics and its consequences!

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    Mar 20, 2008 6:39 PM GMT
    I want to see what you RJ'rs have to say in regards to this matter.

    Are the Olympics worth killing people?

    Should we pull out of the Olympics?

    This is not the first time innocent people die because of the Olympics, it happened to Mexican Students too back on October 2 1968 "Tlatelolco Massacre"

    The Tlatelolco Massacre, also known as The Night of Tlatelolco took place on the afternoon and night of October 2, 1968, in the Plaza de las Tres Culturas in the Tlatelolco section of Mexico City, ten days before the 1968 Summer Olympics celebrations in Mexico City, when police and military shot student demonstrators. The death toll remains controversial: some estimates place the number of deaths in the thousands, but most sources report between 200 and 300 deaths. Government sources say "4 Dead, 20 Wounded". The exact number of people who were arrested is also controversial.

    Fuck the Mexican Goverment! and we still dont have answers. Students still protest every anniversary demanding answers.

    Olympics = 5 continents joining in peace in the form of athletes and Sports




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    Mar 20, 2008 7:12 PM GMT
    Whilst I do not agree that the Olympics or anthing for that matter is worth killing people, do you not possibly see that they used teh potential of a high profile event knowing the worlds media would be arriving to stage a protest?

    I think this next lot of Olympics should be boycotted by all until China sorts out its appalling Human Rights issue and any company that moves out there to exploit it should be boycotted too
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    Mar 24, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
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  • NickoftheNort...

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    Mar 24, 2008 5:12 PM GMT
    I am in favor of confrontational (constructive) engagement, wherein the participating nations / states voice moral support toward increased respect for human rights within China's borders.

    Boycotting preempts a lot of the possible communication opportunities that can be used to persuade the leadership and elite.

    Mind you, refusing to engage China because of human rights violations sets the stage for Chinese leadership to critique the human rights hypocrises within Europe and North America. For example, under the current rule of President George Walker Bush, the USA is ill-placed to refuse China on human rights grounds.

    The United Kingdom may be a good participant though, given the current devolution development where the UK Parliament is increasingly providing some form of autonomy and self-rule to Scotland.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Mar 24, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    I've always opposed the boycotting of the Olympics. It primarily ends up punishing athletes who are in no way connected to the political situation that prompts the boycott; even worse, the athletes most punished are those from the boycotting country, so you can't even make the claim that you're still somehow punishing the nation you wish to oppose. While I agree that sports are not something worth dying over, I don't see how a refusal to allow athletes of your country, who most often have devoted at least a decade of their lives to incredibly intense training and practice, does anything to mitigate things such as the recent deaths in Tibet of late. The victims are still dead; they will be neither more nor less dead if Michael Phelps swims competitively in Beijing.
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    Mar 24, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    So MSUbionerd, you say its not the athletes fault but, innocent people shouldn't be at fault either. On top of that, they are prosecuting innocent people for the protests and riots, they are lying about the death toll and its all for what? Why lie? and why now?
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Mar 24, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    Increased attention has been paid to China in the buildup to the 2008 Games, and will reach peak levels during the Games themselves. Human rights violations are going to be more problematic for the perception of China on the world stage now largely because more of the world is paying attention to China in the first place. That is also much of the reason why protesters are more likely to speak up now, because they're more likely to be noticed and heard. With that greater attention, there is simultaneously a greater potential to get a message of dissent voiced, and a greater possible fallout as viewed from the point of view of the authorities if such protests occur.

    I don't understand what you're getting at by saying "innocent people shouldn't be at fault either". Part of that is probably related to my not really agreeing with your initial question, "Are the Olympics worth killing people?" The participation of athletes from the developed world is not what's causing these deaths. That is the fault of a totalitarian government's occupation and annexation of a traditionally independent region, and their response to protests against these actions. Athletes from our countries participating in the games cannot, in my opinion, be reasonably construed as our government supporting these human rights violations. They're simply two completely different things.

    To put it another way: what positive impact would a boycott have, and would this impact, if any, outweigh the harm to the athletes forbidden from competing?
  • irishkcguy

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    Mar 24, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    My sports background is wrestling, so I have much love for the Games. It was simply foolish of the IOC to award China in the games in the first place. In addition to the problems with all the Tibet protests (which is only going to escalate between now in this summer), there are some huge problems with the Games themselves. For instance, the US and other countries are going to be bringing their own food with them because the Chinese food supply is so loaded with chemicals athletes fear they may test positive for drugs. Many athletes are skipping the opening ceremonies and only arriving in Beijing in time to compete. This is due to the air quality in the city being so horrible. I won't be surprised of this year's Olympics aren't a full scale disaster.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidTo put it another way: what positive impact would a boycott have, and would this impact, if any, outweigh the harm to the athletes forbidden from competing?


    Not the same Impact that has taken in Tibet and Mexico! thats for sure! What would you feel if our country would oppress us before a major event by attacking us or killing us? Wait, Im sure you would be fine because its not the athletes fault.

    Come on, wake up people!!!

    What do you guys think, as San Francisco being the only city in the US having the Flame torch?

    I will definetley be in the city that day protesting!

    Im not against the athletes or the Olympics, Im against violence and murderers! and if the Olympics bring this type of VIOLENCE and KILLERS then, Lets get out of the Olympics!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 02, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    No pulling out of the Olympics. That was one of the stupidest things President Carter ever did. These athletes train too hard to get there, and may only have one shot at their Olympic moment. If an individual athlete chooses to boycott the Olympics that's one thing, our government making that decision for them is quite another. The Olympics are about excellence in sports -- period -- and politics should not be allowed to come into play.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNo pulling out of the Olympics. That was one of the stupidest things President Carter ever did. These athletes train too hard to get there, and may only have one shot at their Olympic moment. If an individual athlete chooses to boycott the Olympics that's one thing, our government making that decision for them is quite another. The Olympics are about excellence in sports -- period -- and politics should not be allowed to come into play.



    What about the dead people?
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    i think the question in my mind is how the hell they chose china in the first place with its reputation for working against the very ideals the olympics are supposed to enshrine - the recent violence in tibet only serves to underscore exactly how inappropriate a choice beijing was in the first place.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    As a swimmer, I have had many olympian friends and have trained by their side in preparation of reaching their dreams. Some were destined for a medal and others were there for the experience. All were honoured to go. I still watch the olympics and get a little frog in my throuat, as it was one of the main forces that got me up at 5am and made my lack of a social life through high school more tolerable. Even when I realized, I was not gonna make it that far in my athletic career, I still felt inspired by the dream.

    All that said, athletes should not be used as pawns for governments to assert their pressure on a country. And the olympics are intended to be a nuetral event that is free of politics. The games are not about the location they take place at, but about what takes place during that time.

    My question is, what was the olympic commitee smoking when they decided to grant China the honor of hosting. I mean were they looking for the a country with excessive polution, human rights issues, etc.? Sees like there were some better choices that would be beneficial for the world and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, its athletes.

    I say no to banning! Work you problems out the right way.

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    Apr 02, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    My guess is that Wal-Mart wrote a big fat check to the Olympic Committee.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    Dancerjack and Ben77, I must agree. I have nothing against sports and I know the the 5 rings in the olympic flag means 5 continents uniting in PEACE! not violance. Trust me, I would not like for an olympian to loose his dreams.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:38 PM GMT
    the five interconnected rings = unity of the world's nations...

    the colors = every country in the world has at least one of these colors in their national flag...

    unity, peace, personal excellence... how does china embody this?
  • duglyduckling

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    Apr 02, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    boycotting only punishes the atheletes.

    if you want to make a stand, then you should boycott chinese products instead.
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    Apr 02, 2008 7:03 PM GMT
    To follow up on what DancerJack said.

    How the heck did they pick China? Beijing is one of the most polluted cities in the world if not the most. The air quality is so bad that dozens of athletes have pulled out of the event including Haile Gebrsekassue: the world record holder for the marathon.

    I hope that China does change some of its practices due to international pressure and having swarms of reporters. China has changed more in the last 60 years than it has in the last 6,000. So conditions in China improving due to the Olympics isn't an unrealistic expectation.
  • kew1

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    Apr 02, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidI

    The United Kingdom may be a good participant though, given the current devolution development where the UK Parliament is increasingly providing some form of autonomy and self-rule to Scotland.


    Don't forget the devolution in Wales & Northern Ireland, pity they've forgotten England though! :-)

    I doubt if boycotting the Olympics (unless a lot of countries did it) would work. Do the Chinese leaders actually care what the rest of the world thinks while we keep on buying so much from them.
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    Apr 03, 2008 11:30 AM GMT
    whats the hell ur guys gossipy here?

    and what the essential problems with u and CHINA,some of urs?

    i am really tired of some of ur guys subjective complaining that whats the bullshit human rights problems with CHINA,well,i wanna know that,how many of urs have ever been to CHINA?and how many of urs did really exactly know about CHINA?so,don`t just gossip and judge anything so easily which u really not got an idea of that,pay attention of other people like to hear ur fart or not,ok?

    and i want to say something here as well,so,if u really interested in hurmanright things,ok,lets talking about the issue of "April 2007 shooting rampage at Virginia Tech University, which left 33 dead and more than 30 injured","30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds every year and gun killings have climbed 13 per cent since 2002",and "United States has the largest prison system in the world, with the highest inmates-to-population ratio,police brutality and other instances where law enforcement officials violated civil rights","the workers' right to unionise has been restricted in the United States, with union membership dropping in 2006. It cited a Human Right Watch report that Wal-Mart stores fought unionization drives by eavesdropping on employee conversations, using camera surveillance and firing workers who favored unions"i think all of those things express that they r seriously threat to its people's lives, liberty and personal security.

    well,if ur guys really interested in hurmanright things,why not remind that"Iraq"and"Afghanistan"?i have to say that these seems that US r making the biggest human rights tragedy and the greatest humanitarian disaster in modern world.

    as UK,i cant count out how many times and countries in this world u had aggressed before,and how many people dead in those aggress,and how many money and lands u took away from other countries,and how many wonders u had ruined,i really get big anger everytime when people remind "The Old Summer Palace",6 October 1860,ur guys after killed people,took all the money and forturns and then fired all place,here is a guy called Charles George Gordon, a 27-year-old captain in the Royal Engineers wrote on his diary:

    We went out, and, after pillaging it, burned the whole place, destroying in a vandal-like manner most valuable property which [could] not be replaced for four millions. We got upward of £48 apiece prize money…. I have done well. The [local] people are very civil, but I think the grandees hate us, as they must after what we did the Palace. You can scarcely imagine the beauty and magnificence of the places we burnt. It made one’s heart sore to burn them; in fact, these places were so large, and we were so pressed for time, that we could not plunder then carefully. Quantities of gold ornaments were burnt, considered as brass. It was wretchedly demoralising work for an army...

    well,checked out how many things in the british museum which r not urs at all,for me it is a best place to show how ugly crimal ur UK had done before.

    so,pls dont make urself like a human rights watchdog and focus more on its own human rights problems.ok?back off and do ur own business pls.

    i dont want waste my time keep on doing this example things.cause all i do is just to show u that no one and no one country is perfect in this world,is anyone there can dare declearing that he or his country is totally perfect nomatter at now or before?

    my country has us own way to plan and step our development of democracy system and protect human rights.why we need totally follow ur way?do u think the way of ur countrys is totally perfect?and suit our sitituation?we can accept good adivce,but everyone and country in this world is special,we dont have to totally be ur shadow,well,if u can`t accept that we r different,u close mind.

    and also people mention Tibet things here,whats the hell matter with Olmpics games and Tibet"3,14"?oh,what all ur snow whites means that we should stop holding Olympic games just because we had Tibet"3,14" happened last month? it is so ridiculous!how many of u knows that we pay more attention on do our best to make this games perfect?we spend lots of money and work and all the whole country people even more than 70years old momen trying their best to learn english in order to host all of ur snow whites came here and make all of urs comfortable as home,so,u think we should deserve this kind of result?NO WAY!!!and i have to say that u know nothing at all,u really know nothing at all about Tibet"3,14",On that day bad people did very serious criminal things,they burnt 24shops and 2 police stations,81 policecars and citizens cars,more than 200 people get serious hurt including goverment office people.and those bad people that day cried something as independent,it is totally bloody criminal,that day lost that town 10years total income,so,do u think it was a peace strike? do u think it was not threating residents usual lives of the society?all what we do is just to keep peace and object any activity of breaking the country,the most important thing is we r sure that if we do not settle down those bad people,all the innocent residents will not normal life anymore,be honest,if u r one of them,imagine that u everyday living with worried about ur house will get burnt when u sleeping soundly on ur bed,and ur children can not go to school and everyday nervous of hearing outsite terrible sound of cring?and there is no place to supply u everyday necissary food because all shops and stores are burnt down...if u like living in such a place,and if u still say that ur real hurman rights is fine if no one coming out to settle this problem down,well,if u really thinking like that,i really dont know what to say,hehe,face ur fools i really dont know how communicate with ya.forget about what the bullshit the CNN brocasted,it is totally camus wroting the facts.well,i learn communication,i know what ur media thinking,being a media working people,i can understand u,but being a chinese,i really want to say that SHUT UP UR BITCH ASSHOLE AND STOP BROCADCASTING UR UNTRUE NEWS!icon_evil.gif

    at last,can`t u just pay ur attention to ur own things more than Olympic games lace news?
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    Apr 03, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
    Simon, I'll be attending the Olympic Games in Beijing. I'll let you and everyone else know what I think after witnessing China firsthand.
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    Apr 03, 2008 7:39 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidTo follow up on what DancerJack said.

    How the heck did they pick China? Beijing is one of the most polluted cities in the world if not the most. The air quality is so bad that dozens of athletes have pulled out of the event including Haile Gebrsekassue: the world record holder for the marathon.

    I hope that China does change some of its practices due to international pressure and having swarms of reporters. China has changed more in the last 60 years than it has in the last 6,000. So conditions in China improving due to the Olympics isn't an unrealistic expectation.


    well at this rate they will do because there wont be any Tibetans alive if they carry on at this rate! Forced sterilisation, murder its outrageous
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    Apr 03, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    two wrongs don't make a right. The US is full of faults. I'm still not watching the Olympics. China sucks as much, if not more, than the rest of the world. Shame on them.
  • MisterT

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    Apr 03, 2008 8:12 PM GMT
    I'll watch the same events I usually watch, to see the athletes do what they have trained so hard for.

    I'll also keep my eyes on labels and not purchase things made in china when I can find the same thing or comparable made in countries I support. Not that it would be a change, I usually check the "made in" labels, and have stayed away from made in chine products when possible.
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    一帮假惺惺的家伙,看到你们在这里大放臭屁真的觉得很倒胃口,不可礼遇的家伙.