4 in 10 Americans believe in Creationism

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    Dec 20, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    At this rate, we'll have a man on Mars or discover ET (or vice versa) by the time Creationism is extinguished.
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    Dec 20, 2010 5:57 PM GMT
    For comparison, Australia is just a little better than US:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#United_KingdomA 2009 poll showed that almost a quarter of Australians believe "the biblical account of human origins" over the Darwinian account. 42 percent of Australians believe in a "wholly scientific" explanation for the origins of life, while 32 percent believe in an evolutionary process "guided by God".[132]

    A 2010 survey conducted by Auspoll and the Australian Academy of Science found that almost 80% of Australians believe that evolution is currently occurring. 10% stated they do not believe in evolution, and a further 11% were not sure.[133]
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    Dec 20, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    I myself know evolution is occurring now. But......Darwin never killed off God either, they can live side by side, nothing to say God just breathed the soul in to man, and when it goes, we die; and we all die.
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    Dec 20, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
    Creationism is so home school.
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    Dec 20, 2010 10:20 PM GMT
    Not just home schooling in Texas, if it had its way:

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/us-court-rejects-creationist-schools-lawsuit-over-bid-to-offer-masters-degree/24999A federal judge has tossed out the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School’s lawsuit against the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board over the board’s decision, in 2008, to reject the institute’s bid to offer a master’s degree in science education. In a ruling issued last Friday, Judge Sam Sparks of the U.S. District Court in Austin, Tex., dismissed the institute’s lawsuit summarily, writing that it “has not put forth evidence sufficient to raise a genuine issue of material fact with respect to any claim it brings.” According to the institute’s Web site, its mission is to equip “believers with evidence of the Bible’s accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.”


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    Dec 20, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    So, that must mean that 6 out of 10 are able to think for themselves...
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    Dec 21, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidSo, that must mean that 6 out of 10 are able to think for themselves...


    ........... or put in another way - 4 in 10 are Dumb Asses

    Ooh was that not politically Correct?
    I'm sorry Dumb Backsides

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    Dec 21, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    Interesting how the Independents are almost perfectly aligned with the Democrats on their views here.

    But yeah, this general 40% "God created us" is counterproductive to the myriad of flaws nature (not God) has inadvertently designed for us. From evolution we're masters at procreating but once we pass that stage we tend to deteriorate pretty quickly. Recognizing that you are not perfect is the first step to finding ways to make you better. If God consciously created us then God obviously didn't intend to make us durable. That's pretty fucked up if you ask me.
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    Dec 21, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    That is interesting Jake.
    But what's more interesting to me (and depressing) is that 1 out of 5 postgraduates and 1 out of 3 college grads believe that the human beings were created within the last 10000 years. What were they studying in our fine universities and colleges?
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    Dec 21, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidBut what's more interesting to me (and depressing) is that 1 out of 5 postgraduates and 1 out of 3 college grads believe that the human beings were created within the last 10000 years. What were they studying in our fine universities and colleges?


    Probably subjects like these:
    Business
    Economics
    Sociology
    Criminal Justice
    Theology


    I highly doubt a neurologist, one who is an expert in understanding the framework of the brain, would think God exists.
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    Dec 21, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    That is, if they are studying at all in college. Higher education seems also to promote belief in ghosts (must be those haunting fraternity houses, seen in the haze of marijuana smoke):
    http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060121_paranormal_poll.html#table
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    Dec 21, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    Goody! My dreams of starting a phrenology business can attract 40% of Americans then.


    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pray to the zombie that grants wishes.
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    Dec 23, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    I believe in Japanese Creationism, to wit, a tweeting mouse:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLu37VvCozw
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    Dec 23, 2010 4:32 AM GMT
    80%+ are Christians. 40% are bound to believe in creationism. What's the problem? Whoever wastes a single brain cell worrying about this phenomenon has got a serious problem.
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    Dec 23, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Webster666 said[/cite]So, that must mean that 6 out of 10 are able to think for themselves...[/quote

    How does believing human scientist that may or may not have evolved correctly and who can't even decide how many planets we have in our own solar system equate to "thinking for yourself"?
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    Dec 23, 2010 12:53 PM GMT
    Mepark said80%+ are Christians. 40% are bound to believe in creationism. What's the problem? Whoever wastes a single brain cell worrying about this phenomenon has got a serious problem.


    OK, so 80% of the US is white, and x% is bound to be racist (and I mean KKK-racist). What's the problem?

    It is a problem when we rail about China surpassing our GDP in 2030, and how our education system sucks. 73% of Chinese believe in evolution (well, at least the ones they let surveyed).
    We're at par with Russia, Turkey and just slightly better than Egypt on this issue.
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    Dec 24, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    Mepark said80%+ are Christians. 40% are bound to believe in creationism. What's the problem? Whoever wastes a single brain cell worrying about this phenomenon has got a serious problem.


    The problem is that over time this number is going UP rather than down
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    Mepark said80%+ are Christians. 40% are bound to believe in creationism. What's the problem? Whoever wastes a single brain cell worrying about this phenomenon has got a serious problem.


    OK, so 80% of the US is white, and x% is bound to be racist (and I mean KKK-racist). What's the problem?

    It is a problem when we rail about China surpassing our GDP in 2030, and how our education system sucks. 73% of Chinese believe in evolution (well, at least the ones they let surveyed).
    We're at par with Russia, Turkey and just slightly better than Egypt on this issue.


    We've been teaching evolution in this country for decades. What exactly are we doing wrong that is not wiping religion out of people's minds? You're the only person I know that compares our sucky education system to why people still believe in creationism. And I will not for a second fall for the idea that religious people cannot be geniuses.

    I left high school with a 4.0 in sciences, completed pre-med last year with close to a 4.0 and while I accept the theory of evolution, I will tell that with all of those studies I am still fascinated by how life works and in fact the more I learn the more my belief in a higher power grows. Most of my PUBLIC college professors believed in God, and shared those beliefs privately and on occasion during lectures. Criticize me all you want, but I will become a neurosurgeon or anesthesiologist and I doubt by then I'll stop believing in Him, Her, or Whoever is up there.
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    Please read the poll more carefully. Tell me, Mepark, that you subscribe to the idea that:
    "God created humans in present form within the last 10000 years."

    If you don't, then it's perfectly fine with me.
    If you do, God help us all.
    And nobody mentioned anything about being geniuses. God knows we just need competent neurosurgeons and biologists.

    And lest anybody forget the debacle here in Pennsylvania about introducing Creationism into public schools:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

    And only God knows how many homeschooled kids are being taught this as science.
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    "God created humans in present form within the last 10000 years."

    No, I do not share that view. What I'm saying is that our education system is not to blame because we teach in our PUBLIC schools exactly what you and I both know is true. Creationism is not taught. Sure there's a push to introduce it in our textbooks but that's not going to happen. Basically, this is still a quite religious country and that is not going to change in our lifetimes. So why are wasting your time worrying about something that has nothing to do with how productive a person can become, whether he's going into engineering, biology, even teaching, as long as he knows what and how to teach.

    "And only God knows how many homeschooled kids are being taught this as science."

    Parents can teach their children as they please. That's why it's called home schooling.... Maybe they want them to become pastors or religious teachers, you never know. Don't worry about it.
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    You are assuming that people are being taught biology (much less chemistry or physics which require more math) when a significant portion of high school graduates can't even spell or write. What is their idea of biology then? Whatever their religion tells them, reinforced by family and friends who are similarly uneducated. And then they become senators and governors, and God forbid, presidents:
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Sam_Brownback:_What_I_Think_About_Evolution

    Or become self-proclaimed educators and get pwned by real scientists, but not before poisoning young minds:
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

    Why do you think people deny global warming? Why are there so many homophobes who believe the the Bible is literally true?

    I should add that the Chinese are a very superstitious people (e.g. their fanatic insistence that without strong evidence to back it up acupuncture, qigong and numerous other practices are true) but when it comes to science and technology, pragmatism wins. That is why some predict that China will surpass US by 2020 in terms of scientific research in the near future. It's predicted to do so for Japan by next year:

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&MainCatID=&id=20101216000094
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091218/Statistics-show-China-may-surpass-US-in-academic-output-by-next-decade.aspx
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:53 PM GMT
    Mepark said80%+ are Christians. 40% are bound to believe in creationism. What's the problem? Whoever wastes a single brain cell worrying about this phenomenon has got a serious problem.


    Well the problem is people who think Creationism is real changes their behavior accordingly and alters the lives of others who DON'T believe in Creationism. Here's an example: you can't find a job looking for stem-cell research, or research into finding a cure to many diseases because the population around you believe that GOD created humans and therefore dying is a natural death...so they've created more jobs centered around the general belief that when you go it's time for you to go. So there's plenty of restaurants, marketing firms, religious affiliations, and other general bullshit no-brainer unevolved jobs for you to apply to because the general consensus in your area is "why try to outlive your natural life? God created you."

    If NO ONE believed in God, we would have found MORE cures to diseases because FAR LESS people would have wasted their time ruminating about something mystical that works as a placebo at best. If no one believed in God, there would be FAR LESS wars. Believing in God has it's perks but historically and even today the detrimental effects of believing in God outnumbers its benefits.
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidYou are assuming that people are being taught biology (much less chemistry or physics which require more math) when a significant portion of high school graduates can't even spell or write. What is their idea of biology then? Whatever their religion tells them, reinforced by family and friends who are similarly uneducated. And then they become senators and governors, and God forbid, presidents:
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Sam_Brownback:_What_I_Think_About_Evolution

    Or become self-proclaimed educators and get pwned by real scientists, but not before poisoning young minds:
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

    Why do you think people deny global warming? Why are there so many homophobes who believe the the Bible is literally true?

    I should add that the Chinese are a very superstitious people (e.g. their fanatic insistence that without strong evidence to back it up acupuncture, qigong and numerous other practices are true) but when it comes to science and technology, pragmatism wins. That is why some predict that China will surpass US by 2020 in terms of scientific research in the near future. It's predicted to do so for Japan by next year:

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&MainCatID=&id=20101216000094
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091218/Statistics-show-China-may-surpass-US-in-academic-output-by-next-decade.aspx


    Ok DUDE, do you mind me calling you dude? icon_razz.gif

    What I am to do? Who is to blame for this? Our school system? Are you a liberal or a conservative? That matters because our schools are PUBLIC. So the government failed at teaching EVOLUTION? As far as homeschooling? What's supposed to happen? regulate it? and how would you accomplish that?

    "Why do you think people deny global warming?"

    Why is global warming in this argument? there are arguments against it that have nothing to do with religion or anything even close to it. I don't have an opinion on it. Never liked environmental science.

    "Why are there so many homophobes who believe the the Bible is literally true?"

    Why are there gay men and women starting churches and preaching Jesus? The bible is clear in condemning homosexuality, literally or not.
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    Dec 25, 2010 12:09 AM GMT
    OK dude:

    Yes, it can and should be regulated as a matter of national importance, i.e. on the federal level. Public schools or universities should have their funding revoked for teaching anti-science as science.

    I point to global warming denial as an example of how the lack of scientific thinking breeds itself, when techniques of rhetoric are used to justify denial of scientific facts. I would bet you that if if more people believed in evolution, there would be much less resistance to global warming. (Viz. Europe)

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Branches_of_science_you_have_to_ignore_to_believe_in_young_Earth_creationism

    Believing in Creationism isn't so much a problem in itself as the tip of the iceberg, i.e. the anti-science movement, which promotes ignoring evidence in favor of outdated religious authority.
  • Mepark

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    Dec 25, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    My friend, I lost you after this turned into global warming. Like I said, I'm no expert so please excuse me if this is simplified, but If we're talking about evolution, then let's really talk about evolution. The earth, it's people, it's animals, etc. will adapt to whatever the earth is experiencing/going through. It's happened before and it will continue to happen, man made or not. I'm not at all saying we should absolutely not worry about it, but we're blowing this way out of proportion.

    I'm going to close here cuz I gotta go. Merry Christmas. Oh wait, I'm sorry. Happy Holidays. icon_razz.gif