More hypocrisy: Despite Calls for Pay Freeze, GOP Staff Payrolls Soar

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    Dec 21, 2010 8:19 PM GMT
    And, of course,they will vote themselves a raise when that comes due...
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    Associated Press via AlternetAt the same time that they demand freezes in Federal salaries, Republican members of Congress are presiding over an explosion in payroll for their own staff, reports AP:

    Overall, congressional payroll expenses have climbed much faster than the civilian federal work force costs that lawmakers are now clamoring to freeze. Many of the most vocal federal critics have overseen growth that rivals or outstrips the executive branch's, according to data from Legistorm, a website that tracks congressional salaries. For example:

    • Firebrand Republican Michele Bachmann of Minnesota has for months pushed legislation to freeze what she calls "unconscionable" federal salaries. Meanwhile, her own payroll jumped 16 percent between 2007, when she came to Congress, and 2009.

    • Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the Utah Republican set to chair the House subcommittee overseeing the federal work force, says Washington must "figure out how to do more with less." But the freshman lawmaker gave his own employees an average raise of about 9 percent this year.

    • Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who has long criticized federal pay, has overseen an average jump of 8 percent per year in his office employee costs between 2006, his first full year in the Senate, and 2009.

    Not to be outdone, incoming House Majority Leader Eric Cantor had his payroll go up by 81 percent since taking office in 2001 -- an average increase of 8 percent per year.

    Of course, in the grand scheme, all of this is a fiscal sideshow. Returning to Clinton era tax rates and ending our military involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq would solve about 90 percent of our long-term fiscal issues. But don't expect to hear that from any self-described deficit hawk anytime soon.
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    Dec 21, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidOh... Do members of Congress get to write their own check when it comes to funding for their staff?

    Actually they do.. right out of the taxpayer funded allotments.. duh.
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    Republicans only blather about cutting government spending when the Democrats are in power. And, it sounds good to the voters.
    You didn't hear the Republicans say one word about cutting spending when they were in charge.
    And, they're all talk and no action.
    All of the recent legislation is loaded up with Republican pork.
    "I'm against earmarks .......................... except for my state."
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    southbeach1500 saidOh... Do members of Congress get to write their own check when it comes to funding for their staff?

    I'm sure the Democrats cut their staff and the pay for what staff they didn't fire. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I do see, though, that you are writing better headlines these days. icon_razz.gif


    Do you understand the meaning of "hypocrisy?"

    The Dems aren't the ones screaming about the federal budget and how overpaid all the federal workers are. Republicans are. And, if you recall, the Obama administration froze it's workers pay about a year ago. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 21, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidOh... Do members of Congress get to write their own check when it comes to funding for their staff?

    I'm sure the Democrats cut their staff and the pay for what staff they didn't fire. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I do see, though, that you are writing better headlines these days. icon_razz.gif


    Do you understand the meaning of "hypocrisy?"

    The Dems aren't the ones screaming about the federal budget and how overpaid all the federal workers are. Republicans are. And, if you recall, the Obama administration froze it's workers pay about a year ago. icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Dec 21, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    GOP Pushes Pay Cuts - After Boosting Own Payroll
    Republicans Say Federal Workers Get Paid too Much Money, But Many Have Increased Office Payroll in Recent Years
    Cantor, the Virginia Republican who has led the GOP charge this year to freeze federal salaries, has boosted his congressional office's payroll by 81 percent since coming to Congress in 2001 - about 8 percent per year through 2009. When he became minority whip last year, the office's personnel expenses went up by at least 16 percent.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/20/politics/main7168200.shtml

    I Do declare ...... My Mr Cantor You have a Great Big Ummm ... hypocrisy icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 21, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    Wait there's more.....

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    US Senate Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn made the following statement:

    “We need to expect more, and we need to pay less.”

    I guess he was excluding himself from that statement for some reason or another when he gave himself a pay raise


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    Dec 21, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    Webster666 said...All of the recent legislation is loaded up with Republican pork.
    "I'm against earmarks .......................... except for my state."


    "don't tax you, don't tax me.....tax that man behind the tree!"

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    Dec 21, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    Nothing new here.

    Here in the UK public sector workers are losing their jobs while Whitehall pen-pushers are inflating their salaries and have created a golden pension pot sustained by us the taxpayer.

    Meanwhile, according to last night's BBC Panorama programme, despite the threat of action (a one off super-tax) by the Tory Chancellor, there had been no change in the bonus culture among higher rate bankers, despite last year's bail out by the taxpayer. Yet lower rate bank employees have been fired from their jobs by the thousands.

    Greed and hypocrisy seem to be worldwide and its shadow falls across all parties, whether it be Conservative, Liberal or Labour in the UK, and I suppose, Republican and Democrat in the USA.
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    Dec 22, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThis problem would (will?) go away once the Congress gets serious about the out of control spending we've seen over the past two years and institutes a 25% reduction in the Federal budget, as I've detailed on here many times.

    But ya know what? I really don't care. Runaway inflation and cuts to Federal welfare programs is gonna affect most of you much more than me, so keep laughing at any attempts to actually instill fiscal responsibility at the Federal level.

    Because in the end, most of you will end up being the losers.


    SB - If the very people screeching about "runaway federal spending", are giving themselves and their staff raises, why do you think they're are going to institute a 25% reduction in the federal budget? And how many congresspeople are committed to such a reduction? How many senators? And what will the political backlash be for those who do so since the Republicans are HIGHLY unlike to touch defense spending so they will go after welfare programs and the Tea Partiers will turn on them like the villagers turned on Frankenstein.

    The other thing, I'm very curious about is the second part of your post. I'm friends with a number of people from RJ on Facebook and between that and IMs,I can tell you the majority of us who support liberal policies ARE NOT the recipients of any sort of welfare programs.

    In fact, on this thread alone you have a scientist, a physician, a retired military, and - well - you know what I do. Do you really think we're getting food stamps, or Medicaid, or any other welfare program?

    In fact, how many RJers in general do you think are receiving government aid? I can think of a few retired guys and one or two that might be receiving Medicaid, but maybe you have some basis for your claim that "most of us" will be hurt by 25% reduction in spending (if it ever happens).
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidOh... Do members of Congress get to write their own check when it comes to funding for their staff?

    I'm sure the Democrats cut their staff and the pay for what staff they didn't fire. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I do see, though, that you are writing better headlines these days. icon_razz.gif


    Do you understand the meaning of "hypocrisy?"

    The Dems aren't the ones screaming about the federal budget and how overpaid all the federal workers are. Republicans are. And, if you recall, the Obama administration froze it's workers pay about a year ago. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Don't make fun of the special children, Christian73.


    So it's not "southbeach," it's "shortbus!"
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidThis problem would (will?) go away once the Congress gets serious about the out of control spending we've seen over the past two years and institutes a 25% reduction in the Federal budget, as I've detailed on here many times.

    But ya know what? I really don't care. Runaway inflation and cuts to Federal welfare programs is gonna affect most of you much more than me, so keep laughing at any attempts to actually instill fiscal responsibility at the Federal level.

    Because in the end, most of you will end up being the losers.


    SB - If the very people screeching about "runaway federal spending", are giving themselves and their staff raises, why do you think they're are going to institute a 25% reduction in the federal budget? And how many congresspeople are committed to such a reduction? How many senators? And what will the political backlash be for those who do so since the Republicans are HIGHLY unlike to touch defense spending so they will go after welfare programs and the Tea Partiers will turn on them like the villagers turned on Frankenstein.

    The other thing, I'm very curious about is the second part of your post. I'm friends with a number of people from RJ on Facebook and between that and IMs,I can tell you the majority of us who support liberal policies ARE NOT the recipients of any sort of welfare programs.

    In fact, on this thread alone you have a scientist, a physician, a retired military, and - well - you know what I do. Do you really think we're getting food stamps, or Medicaid, or any other welfare program?

    In fact, how many RJers in general do you think are receiving government aid? I can think of a few retired guys and one or two that might be receiving Medicaid, but maybe you have some basis for your claim that "most of us" will be hurt by 25% reduction in spending (if it ever happens).



    Yes, we are doomed. (I'm serious).


    So you're not going to answer the questions. Fine. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 22, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidThis problem would (will?) go away once the Congress gets serious about the out of control spending we've seen over the past two years and institutes a 25% reduction in the Federal budget, as I've detailed on here many times.

    But ya know what? I really don't care. Runaway inflation and cuts to Federal welfare programs is gonna affect most of you much more than me, so keep laughing at any attempts to actually instill fiscal responsibility at the Federal level.

    Because in the end, most of you will end up being the losers.


    SB - If the very people screeching about "runaway federal spending", are giving themselves and their staff raises, why do you think they're are going to institute a 25% reduction in the federal budget? And how many congresspeople are committed to such a reduction? How many senators? And what will the political backlash be for those who do so since the Republicans are HIGHLY unlike to touch defense spending so they will go after welfare programs and the Tea Partiers will turn on them like the villagers turned on Frankenstein.

    The other thing, I'm very curious about is the second part of your post. I'm friends with a number of people from RJ on Facebook and between that and IMs,I can tell you the majority of us who support liberal policies ARE NOT the recipients of any sort of welfare programs.

    In fact, on this thread alone you have a scientist, a physician, a retired military, and - well - you know what I do. Do you really think we're getting food stamps, or Medicaid, or any other welfare program?

    In fact, how many RJers in general do you think are receiving government aid? I can think of a few retired guys and one or two that might be receiving Medicaid, but maybe you have some basis for your claim that "most of us" will be hurt by 25% reduction in spending (if it ever happens).



    Yes, we are doomed. (I'm serious).


    So you're not going to answer the questions. Fine. icon_rolleyes.gif






    "If the very people screeching about "runaway federal spending", are giving themselves and their staff raises, why do you think they're are going to institute a 25% reduction in the federal budget? "

    Nope. Hence my response that we are doomed.




    "And how many congresspeople are committed to such a reduction?"

    Probably not nearly enough to actually getting done. Hence my response that we are doomed.




    "How many senators? "

    Probably not nearly enough to actually getting done. Hence my response that we are doomed.



    "In fact, on this thread alone you have a scientist, a physician, a retired military, and - well - you know what I do. Do you really think we're getting food stamps, or Medicaid, or any other welfare program? In fact, how many RJers in general do you think are receiving government aid?"

    Judging by the many (many) posts I've read from RJ'ers over the years, it is quite clear that many RJ members do receive food stamps, Medicaid and/or other welfare programs.

    I think I put up a topic a few months ago asking just such a question and of course, you all attempted to silence me for even daring to ask such a question. So, thanks to you, the true answer eludes us to this day.

    OK, time to go to Dallas!


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    southbeach1500 saidBut ya know what? I really don't care. Runaway inflation and cuts to Federal welfare programs is gonna affect most of you much more than me, so keep laughing at any attempts to actually instill fiscal responsibility at the Federal level.

    These cuts ARE gonna affect me more than you -- because my partner & I will have to voluntarily contribute more of our own time and money than we do now in charitable ways, to make up for the loses suffered by people in need. But not you, of course -- you just get to keep it all for yourself and watch others go begging. The perfect definition of a Republican. icon_razz.gif

    And if anyone doubts me, I can direct guys I trust here with my privacy & online security, to visit web sites where my name and my partner's are listed as major contributors, mostly to HIV/AIDS & gay charities. Or visit in person where our names are engraved & displayed on the wall.

    Ya know, southbeach, you portray Liberals as always takers from society, never givers. But I see more examples of taking behavior among Republicans. You obsess on welfare recipients, taking relatively small amounts for brief periods of time, in most cases. How about those getting tax breaks in the millions out of my own middle-class pocket, kickbacks, and plundering our economy until it went into meltdown?

    But hey, it was all caused by welfare mothers, wasn't it? Let's clean that mess up, while we let Republicans on Wall Street do whatever they want without regulation or taxation, and just watch our economy bounce back, right? That money'll trickle right down to us, from the holes in their pockets, and the tips from their expense account lunches.
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    Dec 22, 2010 6:30 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah.... there's no regulations. There's no taxation.

    What planet are you living on?

    The planet of rhetorical phrasing, to express the spirit of where Republicans would like to take us. The planet where I'd like to see you give a full reply for once, and not deflect points that others make with your typical evasions.
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    NotThatOld saidNothing new here.

    Here in the UK public sector workers are losing their jobs while Whitehall pen-pushers are inflating their salaries and have created a golden pension pot sustained by us the taxpayer.

    Meanwhile, according to last night's BBC Panorama programme, despite the threat of action (a one off super-tax) by the Tory Chancellor, there had been no change in the bonus culture among higher rate bankers, despite last year's bail out by the taxpayer. Yet lower rate bank employees have been fired from their jobs by the thousands.

    Greed and hypocrisy seem to be worldwide and its shadow falls across all parties, whether it be Conservative, Liberal or Labour in the UK, and I suppose, Republican and Democrat in the USA.


    Amen. Both parties are to blame; neither party can be singled out for total blame. They only care about two things: power and money. And until they change their view on life and serving the people, that is what they will continue to stand for.

    The Democrats want government-funded health-care while the Republicans want more spending on the war and sending our military to far flung places.
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    Columbusite saidThe Democrats want government-funded health-care...

    False. Democrats want taxpayer-funded health care, much like Social Security operates. It pays its own way. Which brings economies of scale to the health care market, for a saving to citizens over privately-obtained health care or care through private plans.

    That operates very much on the principle of private health care insurance, but without the added expense to the end-user of including corporate profit to shareholders in the cost. And to cover corporate executive salaries that far exceed anything US government bureaucrats could ever earn, in a universal health care program.
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    Dec 22, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidDemocrats want taxpayer-funded health care, much like Social Security operates. It pays its own way.




    It pays it's own way? It's bankrupt! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    No. It isn't. The meme is being pushed by the financial services industry because privatizing would bring them trillions of dollars to play with.

    If you'd like, I can once again direct you to various sources that indicate that SS is perfectly viable for at least the next 60 years with just minor modifications.
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    Art_Deco saidDemocrats want taxpayer-funded health care, much like Social Security operates. It pays its own way.




    It pays it's own way? It's bankrupt! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    No. It isn't. The meme is being pushed by the financial services industry because privatizing would bring them trillions of dollars to play with.

    If you'd like, I can once again direct you to various sources that indicate that SS is perfectly viable for at least the next 60 years with just minor modifications.


    It's currently being paid for with money borrowed from China.

    The "trust fund" is filled with I.O.U.s from Congress.

    Of course, to a liberal, that means that it's just bursting at the seams with money. icon_rolleyes.gif


    SB - Everything is being paid for with money from China. A slight increase in payroll tax and expanding it to cover a higher portions of income and SS is solvent for the foreseeable future.

    And to get rid of the I.O.U.s, simply raise taxes on those who a) benefited from the two Bush wars - oil companies, the very wealthy, and military contractors - to pay those I.O.U.s.