Clean by Alejandro Junger

  • premed

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    Dec 22, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    A couple days ago I came across an article in Outsider magazine about this cleansing diet by Dr. Junger and, although I was very skeptical at first, I've decided to make it my New Year's resolution and do it for the month of January. I was wondering if anybody else has done it, or knows anybody who has done it, and the effects it had on you/them, if any.

    Now, since I was skeptical at first, I am well aware that there will be plenty of you that will be skeptical about it as well and probably believe that this is dangerous in some way. I have almost read the whole book and, from what I can see, the approach is rational and the diet seems healthy. I only want to hear from those who either have some sort of first or second-hand experience with THIS diet (not some other cleansing diet) OR if you have some sort of expert knowledge in nutrition AND have acquainted yourself with this particular diet.
  • calibro

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    Dec 22, 2010 5:44 AM GMT
    One, I question any book that is premised on the fallacy of authority. i.e., Dr. Junger is a cardiologist, not a nutritionist. I don't go to my optometrist for advice on a stomach ache.

    Two, this work is based on flimsy and/or obvious science. Yes, you should avoid refined sugars. Yes, you should eat fruits and vegetables. As Hamlet said, "buzz buzz."

    Three, the idea that diets cleanse you are a crock. Your body naturally disposes of toxins or it doesn't. What your body can dispose of it will (your liver and kidneys don't like to store them). Of course, certain things are fat soluble and bioaccumulate. What you eat isn't going to compel your body to suddenly expel them. The idea that your colon is packed harmful things that it won't rid itself of is a myth.

    Four, this is a starvation diet. It seems incredibly unhealthy. The fact that people lose weight and seem to feel better reflects how poorly people eat and exercise in general, so when they drastically lower their caloric intake they lose weight.

    I call shenanigans on this book and the concept of cleansing in general.
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    Dec 22, 2010 5:50 AM GMT
    I'm a nutritionist.
    The guy's above response is skeptical.
    ...and I don't agree.
  • calibro

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    Dec 22, 2010 5:59 AM GMT
    CutePete saidI'm a nutritionist.
    The guy's above response is skeptical.
    ...and I don't agree.


    no, you're a college student studying the field. let's not call the kettle black, shall we?
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    Dec 22, 2010 6:04 AM GMT
    Waw, thanks for telling me that based on what it says on my profile. Maybe I know best WHERE i am in my life at the moment.
    So, when i say i'm a Nutritionist, i'm not lying.
    I finished the faculty of biochemistry; programme of Food Sciene and Nutrition.
    ...but whatever, you have your opinion, i have mine.
  • calibro

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    Dec 22, 2010 6:16 AM GMT
    CutePete saidWaw, thanks for telling me that based on what it says on my profile. Maybe I know best WHERE i am in my life at the moment.
    So, when i say i'm a Nutritionist, i'm not lying.
    I finished the faculty of biochemistry; programme of Food Sciene and Nutrition.
    ...but whatever, you have your opinion, i have mine.



    so let's put the obvious spelling missteps aside... you self-identify as a community college student in the field, but also consider yourself a qualified nutritionist (though your pedigree implies a lack of licensing or medical school). since you are qualified, perhaps you'd like to explain to the OP and me the chemical basis for which abstaining from processed foods and those treated with commercial pesticides manages to compel the digestive track, renal system, and hepatic portal system to function drastically different, not to mention causing the body to expel fat soluble chemicals stored in tissues. or maybe you could enlighten us about science behind twelve-hour gaps between meals causing the body to expels these toxins as opposed to putting the body into starvation mode and thus causing it to digest itself. why don't you even tackle the simple one of how something like an orange doesn't sufficiently qualify for the body's "natural diet," despite the fact that it would be most readily absorbed via glycolysis in a manner more efficient than much of the diet the book recommends, as it seems to conflate fructose with sucrose properties.
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    Dec 22, 2010 6:24 AM GMT
    Lol. You're a very angry person.
    I'm not american btw, or english. So excuse me for english not being my first language.
    Also, never said anything about the things u just said. All i said i don't agree with your first post and that you're very skeptical.

    If the creator of this thread will want some advice, he'll private message me or whatever.

    P.s.: I don't know this "dr. Junger" or anything about him or what philosophy he sells.

    ;)
  • calibro

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    Dec 22, 2010 6:47 AM GMT
    CutePete saidLol. You're a very angry person.
    I'm not american btw, or english. So excuse me for english not being my first language.
    Also, never said anything about the things u just said. All i said i don't agree with your first post and that you're very skeptical.

    If the creator of this thread will want some advice, he'll private message me or whatever.

    P.s.: I don't know this "dr. Junger" or anything about him or what philosophy he sells.

    ;)


    You probably want to avoid ad hominem and straw man arguments with me, simply because I know what they are, won't hesitate to point them out (virtually all your points were one or the other), and they often make you look inarticulate/incorrect when you resort to them. Second, your logic baffles me on the grounds that the OP asked for advice specifically on this diet, which I responded to, but you seemed confident in labeling my response as to be called into judgment-- despite the fact that you don't know this doctor or his work. So please tell the OP and me why your comment about being skeptical of my first post (odd, considering I am actually responding with fact-based points and research compared to your vague and clumsy retorts) should mean anything?

    P.S. saying I'm angry doesn't make it so. I so happen to enjoy taking down people who have nothing better to do than pass their two cents off as a hundred dollar bill. Consider it a pleasure.
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:17 AM GMT
    take it to the bedroom you two.
  • premed

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    Dec 23, 2010 5:07 AM GMT
    calibro saidOne, I question any book that is premised on the fallacy of authority. i.e., Dr. Junger is a cardiologist, not a nutritionist. I don't go to my optometrist for advice on a stomach ache.

    Two, this work is based on flimsy and/or obvious science. Yes, you should avoid refined sugars. Yes, you should eat fruits and vegetables. As Hamlet said, "buzz buzz."

    Three, the idea that diets cleanse you are a crock. Your body naturally disposes of toxins or it doesn't. What your body can dispose of it will (your liver and kidneys don't like to store them). Of course, certain things are fat soluble and bioaccumulate. What you eat isn't going to compel your body to suddenly expel them. The idea that your colon is packed harmful things that it won't rid itself of is a myth.

    Four, this is a starvation diet. It seems incredibly unhealthy. The fact that people lose weight and seem to feel better reflects how poorly people eat and exercise in general, so when they drastically lower their caloric intake they lose weight.

    I call shenanigans on this book and the concept of cleansing in general.


    Thank you for your input, especially since you are familiar with the program (although I think you got a little bit too nasty with CutePete), and I agree with you to a certain extent that a great deal of the benefits that many people claim after the program are due to the fact that they are suddenly eating a more balanced, and low-calorie diet. He kind of admits that it's a bit of a starvation diet, but if we look at human history, this is what our bodies were made for. As hunter-gatherers, our bodies were designed to be able to store the energy we consumed when we could find food and then store it for when we could not. Recently, we have been bombarded with an excess consumption of food and our bodies have not yet been able to adjust to this shift in lifestyle. I disagree with your point that it's unhealthy, though, as it is designed to supply your body with all the nutrients it needs.

    As for the toxins part, think of all the chemicals that have been created in the past century that never existed before in the history of the earth. Fortunately our bodies are capable of dealing with most, if not all, of them. Think of all the different toxins that your body is exposed to every day, both from within and from without, and it's not hard to imagine that the body can get a bit bogged down trying to deal with all of them. The point of this cleanse is kind of to give your body the chance to restart and let it catch up on its job of dealing with all these foreign chemicals.

    I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm going to do this, and I plan on posting my experiences along with pictures (it allegedly really clears up your skin!), in case it really helps me and I think it might help someone else, or perhaps the converse.