An allegory for right-wing racism

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    Dec 22, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20101221/pl_yblog_theticket/will-barbours-comments-on-race-derail-his-2012-bid

    If it's fair to discuss the "white guilt" some liberals supposedly possess, then it's equally fair to discuss the RACISM some right-wingers possess.
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    Dec 22, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    All you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.
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    Dec 22, 2010 6:52 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.

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    Dec 22, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.


    So calling out racists is a by-product of white guilt?

    Is prosecuting murderers a by-product of murderer guilt?

    Is prosecuting child molesters a by-product of pedophilia guilt?

    Is prosecuting a drunk driver the result of alcoholic guilt?

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    Dec 22, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.


    So calling out racists is a by-product of white guilt?

    Is prosecuting murderers a by-product of murderer guilt?

    Is prosecuting child molesters a by-product of pedophilia guilt?

    Is prosecuting a drunk driver the result of alcoholic guilt?

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    You're missing the point.

    "People of color" do not need your imprimatur that they "can be successful too". White guilt may come from meaning well but it basically just screams "you can't do it without our help". Presumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.

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    Dec 22, 2010 7:11 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.


    So calling out racists is a by-product of white guilt?

    Is prosecuting murderers a by-product of murderer guilt?

    Is prosecuting child molesters a by-product of pedophilia guilt?

    Is prosecuting a drunk driver the result of alcoholic guilt?

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    You're missing the point.

    "People of color" do not need your imprimatur that they "can be successful too". White guilt may come from meaning well but it basically just screams "you can't do it without our help". Presumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.



    No. YOU'RE missing the point. Hailey Barbour (a prospective presidential candidate) told bald-faced, demonstrable lies to cover up or minimize the historical racist acts of the people in his community and he is being called out on it.

    So he is lying and those who are exposing his lies are operating from "guilt?" How about justice or a desire for our politicians to tell the truth?

    Frankly, this isn't the first time you've defended obvious racism and it's a bit disturbing.

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    Dec 22, 2010 7:17 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidPresumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.

    Well I'm a White Liberal, and I don't understand this white guilt nonsense I'm reading here, in this and another thread.

    What guilt do *I* have? I'm aware of none. I'm not a racist or bigot, I have no racial or sexual prejudices. Why should I have guilt because of the past?

    What I may see is a need in the PRESENT, and a human obligation to help to fix it. But how that need came about is not a matter of guilt for me, if I wasn't personally responsible for creating it.

    Just because I think the decent response is to help others in need, or to right social wrongs, does NOT mean I'm suffering from guilt about it. Who the Hell thought that one up?

    Oh, I know: the Right Wingers who don't want anybody to help anybody who's not a fellow Right Winger. So what they're trying to do is to create their own school of guilt over HELPING non-Right Wingers, and so undermine & sabotage it.

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    Dec 22, 2010 7:18 PM GMT
    The "white guilt" should be more accurately termed "American Liberal Guilt", since many of these tendencies stem not just from both real injustices as well as manufactured or misconceived notions of injustices conducted by Americans against the world (19th and early 20th century colonialism, the Indian wars, etc. etc.)

    Hence the political correctness that tends to run amok in liberal circles to the point of stifling any substantial conversations on the topics of race, religion, or today's biggest bug-bear of them all, the "avoidance of offending Islam".

    The libs will quickly jump on and beat down any instance of publicly acknowledged Judeo-Christian faith... and they will laud those who produce such lovely objects d'art as Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ".

    But they'll stumble all over themselves to be the first to kiss the Koran and install foot-washing stations in public buildings, or provide rooms for the five-times daily observance of prayer facing Mecca.

    Just a little inconsistent, this collective liberal guilt is, at times...
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.


    So calling out racists is a by-product of white guilt?

    Is prosecuting murderers a by-product of murderer guilt?

    Is prosecuting child molesters a by-product of pedophilia guilt?

    Is prosecuting a drunk driver the result of alcoholic guilt?

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    You're missing the point.

    "People of color" do not need your imprimatur that they "can be successful too". White guilt may come from meaning well but it basically just screams "you can't do it without our help". Presumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.



    No. YOU'RE missing the point. Hailey Barbour (a prospective presidential candidate) told bald-faced, demonstrable lies to cover up or minimize the historical racist acts of the people in his community and he is being called out on it.

    So he is lying and those who are exposing his lies are operating from "guilt?" How about justice or a desire for our politicians to tell the truth?

    Frankly, this isn't the first time you've defended obvious racism and it's a bit disturbing.



    Nobody denies that real racism exists, the problem is when it's taken to ridiculous extremes. Saying someone is racist should be reserved for when it actually includes a real incident where someone is exhibiting hate because of skin color and disadvantaging someone over that hate. The word is used so flippantly now that it doesn't mean anything.

    White guilt is when NPR decides to broadcast programs to make whites feel guilty about living in suburbs that [subjectively] don't have enough "diversity" (whatever the hell that means).

    Do you understand the difference?
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said"People of color" do not need your imprimatur that they "can be successful too". White guilt may come from meaning well but it basically just screams "you can't do it without our help". Presumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.


    Quite so.

    In my line of work, I get to see the selection formulas a certain university uses for its candidate selection process. One thing in particular that gets factored in is an allowance for non-whites that boosts them a few points on their SATs/ACT scores (in other words, non-whites have a lower minimum score than whites to pass that particular selection hurdle).

    If I were a person of colour, I'd be pretty offended that a university essentially assumed I was less capable just on account of my ethnicity and/or race.
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:26 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidBut [Liberals will] stumble all over themselves to be the first to kiss the Koran and install foot-washing stations in public buildings, or provide rooms for the five-times daily observance of prayer facing Mecca.

    HUH??? I have no more intention of kissing the Koran than I do the Bible. What radical right-wing whack-job article did you read THAT in?

    You do know that those same right-wing sources hate gays, and want us stripped of all civil rights? Please publish the source for your comment above, and we'll explore it.
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.



    All you're doing is proving the racism you already have by defending Haley Barbour's racism.
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.



    All you're doing is proving the racism you already have by defending Haley Barbour's racism.


    When and where did I defend Haley Barbour? Show me, I want proof! If you can't find it, I want an apology. kthanks
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidThe "white guilt" should be more accurately termed "American Liberal Guilt", since many of these tendencies stem not just from both real injustices as well as manufactured or misconceived notions of injustices conducted by Americans against the world (19th and early 20th century colonialism, the Indian wars, etc. etc.)

    Hence the political correctness that tends to run amok in liberal circles to the point of stifling any substantial conversations on the topics of race, religion, or today's biggest bug-bear of them all, the "avoidance of offending Islam".

    The libs will quickly jump on and beat down any instance of publicly acknowledged Judeo-Christian faith... and they will laud those who produce such lovely objects d'art as Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ".

    But they'll stumble all over themselves to be the first to kiss the Koran and install foot-washing stations in public buildings, or provide rooms for the five-times daily observance of prayer facing Mecca.

    Just a little inconsistent, this collective liberal guilt is, at times...

    A good example of the PC comes from NPR Liberal extrodinare, Nina Totenberg, who apologized for using that terrible term, "Christmas", when describing a "Christmas Party" the other day. "Forgive the expression - Christmas Party".
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.


    So calling out racists is a by-product of white guilt?

    Is prosecuting murderers a by-product of murderer guilt?

    Is prosecuting child molesters a by-product of pedophilia guilt?

    Is prosecuting a drunk driver the result of alcoholic guilt?

    icon_rolleyes.gif


    You're missing the point.

    "People of color" do not need your imprimatur that they "can be successful too". White guilt may come from meaning well but it basically just screams "you can't do it without our help". Presumptuous condescension - it's the liberal way.



    No. YOU'RE missing the point. Hailey Barbour (a prospective presidential candidate) told bald-faced, demonstrable lies to cover up or minimize the historical racist acts of the people in his community and he is being called out on it.

    So he is lying and those who are exposing his lies are operating from "guilt?" How about justice or a desire for our politicians to tell the truth?

    Frankly, this isn't the first time you've defended obvious racism and it's a bit disturbing.



    Nobody denies that real racism exists, the problem is when it's taken to ridiculous extremes. Saying someone is racist should be reserved for when it actually includes a real incident where someone is exhibiting hate because of skin color and disadvantaging someone over that hate. The word is used so flippantly now that it doesn't mean anything.

    White guilt is when NPR decides to broadcast programs to make whites feel guilty about living in suburbs that [subjectively] don't have enough "diversity" (whatever the hell that means).

    Do you understand the difference?


    Saying someone has "white guilt" should be reserved for when it can actually be proved that someones beliefs regarding race are formed as a result of a sense of guilt.
    Labelling the beliefs that ALL liberals possess as resulting from "white guilt" is prejudicial stereotyping.
    If you right-wingers are going to whine about how uinfair it is to label all right-wingers racist, then you CANNOT label all liberals as suffering from "white guilt".
    Unless you're comfortable with being a hypocrite.

    You right-wingers are using the catchphrase "white guilt" "so flippantly now" that it doesn't mean anything.
    It's just become a tactic used by the right-wing propaganda machine.

    RIGHT-WING RACISM IS WHEN FOX NEWS DECIDES TO AIR PROGRAMS THAT MAKE WHITES FEEL ANGRY AT PROGRESSIVES FOR PROMOTING POLICIES THAT INCREASE TOLERANCE AND PROMOTE DIVERSITY.
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidAll you're doing is reaffirming the white guilt you already have by posting a topic like this.



    All you're doing is proving the racism you already have by defending Haley Barbour's racism.


    When and where did I defend Haley Barbour? Show me, I want proof! If you can't find it, I want an apology. kthanks



    Sure.
    Right after YOU prove that my beliefs about race are in ANY WAY influenced by "white guilt".
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    Dec 22, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
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    alphatrigger saidThe "white guilt" should be more accurately termed "American Liberal Guilt", since many of these tendencies stem not just from both real injustices as well as manufactured or misconceived notions of injustices conducted by Americans against the world (19th and early 20th century colonialism, the Indian wars, etc. etc.)

    Hence the political correctness that tends to run amok in liberal circles to the point of stifling any substantial conversations on the topics of race, religion, or today's biggest bug-bear of them all, the "avoidance of offending Islam".

    The libs will quickly jump on and beat down any instance of publicly acknowledged Judeo-Christian faith... and they will laud those who produce such lovely objects d'art as Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ".

    But they'll stumble all over themselves to be the first to kiss the Koran and install foot-washing stations in public buildings, or provide rooms for the five-times daily observance of prayer facing Mecca.

    Just a little inconsistent, this collective liberal guilt is, at times...

    A good example of the PC comes from NPR Liberal extradinare, Nina Totenberg, who apologized for using that terrible term, "Christmas", when describing a "Christmas Party" the other day. "Forgive the expression - Christmas Party".



    "A good example of the PC" is when Fox and the rest of the right-wing media machine attacked Bill Maher and called for his show to be taken off the air because Maher had pointed out the obvious fact that the 9-11 murderers weren't "cowards".

    PC gone too far is a BIPARTISAN failing.
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    Dec 22, 2010 8:26 PM GMT
    Right wing talking heads love to emphasize white "guilt" to forment rage and resentment in their overwhelmingly white, rural, male and uneducated political base, as well as to minimize and dismiss their own racism.

    I'm sure many Republican plants are responsible for the more egregious instances of "white guilt" rhetoric.
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    Dec 22, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    A good example of the PC comes from NPR Liberal extradinare, Nina Totenberg, who apologized for using that terrible term, "Christmas", when describing a "Christmas Party" the other day. "Forgive the expression - Christmas Party".


    A good example of the intolerant right wing is the www.grinchalert.com site:

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/12/1st_baptist_church_of_dallas_l.htmlJews weighed in too.

    "Rather than honoring Christmas, this kind of campaign feels meant to remind me and people like me we are second-best members of this society," said Rabbi Geoffrey Dennis of Congregation Kol Ami in Flower Mound.

    Dennis added: "Christmas currently has, and will continue to have, virtual hegemony over the cultural, religious and economic life of Americans at this time of year. I realize every movement needs an issue to rally around. How about 'Love your neighbor as yourself?' "

    Zachary Moore, executive director of the religious skeptics group Fellowship of Freethought Dallas, went further: "I would say that it's unfortunate that some Christians are trying to resort to economic terrorism during a season in which their own Scriptures exhort 'goodwill towards men.' It's also a crass intersection of commercialism and religion. Why should local businesses have to bow and scrape to Christianity, or indeed any religion?"
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    Dec 22, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
    ^ the man makes a good argument

    hearing the same song 100 times in one day has to count for some kind of terrorism