The "XXX" Guilt Threads: The Creole

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    Dec 23, 2010 4:42 AM GMT
    Creole is the non-Anglo-Saxon culture and lifestyle that flourished in Louisiana before it became a part of the United States in 1803.

    Louisiana Creole is a blending of three different ethnic influences: the west European, west African, and includes a significant input from the Native American.

    The Creole functioned in an elitist structure, based on family ties. In its philosophy, economics and politics, European custom and modern thought were thrown out and, in their place, a strict, self-serving pragmatism was born out of the isolation and desperation that characterized Louisiana in her formative years. The earliest, tragic lessons of survival in Louisiana created a family-oriented world that would, for centuries, put little value in public education or public works and even in the rule of law.

    Creole Louisiana was a place where class, not race, determined social status, where rural life conformed to rigid disciplines, where human bondage created wealth, where adherence to the family business and tradition was paramount, where women ran businesses and owned property, where democratic ideals and individualism were held in contempt and where, until the 20th century, people spoke French and lived this way, separate from the dominant White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant American culture.

    Over the last 200 years, the meaning of Creole has changed, often dictated by many varying Anglo definitions, all based on the concept of race. These imposed meanings varied from: descendants of French and Spanish aristocrats to racially mixed or to anyone of African blood. In the Louisiana Creole mind, such distinctions are not only irrelevant, they contradict and hide the essential nature of this vanishing, alternative culture.
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    Dec 23, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    So?
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    Dec 23, 2010 6:36 AM GMT
    Tazo995 saidSo?


    Who knows...
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    Dec 23, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    lol i just mean that discussion requires a thesis...
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    Dec 23, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
    I thought this thread was going to be about porn star that you're in love with.

    Like... Austin. He's /so/ dreamy. He makes my heart melt. icon_redface.gif

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    Dec 23, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
    Tazo995 saidlol i just mean that discussion requires a thesis...


    I do not want to define a thesis but provide you with material from which to state a thesis and begin a discussion.

    Think about the type of culture these short few paragraphs define. Such as "put little value in public education or public works and even in the rule of law." Then watch the evening newscast in your city. In many cities the evenng news is nothing other than the "Thug Report."

    "The Creole functioned in an elitist structure, based on family ties." That is a statement open for discussion. Go for it.
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    Dec 23, 2010 4:48 PM GMT
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    Dec 23, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Tazo995 saidlol i just mean that discussion requires a thesis...


    I do not want to define a thesis but provide you with material from which to state a thesis and begin a discussion.

    Think about the type of culture these short few paragraphs define. Such as "put little value in public education or public works and even in the rule of law." Then watch the evening newscast in your city. In many cities the evenng news is nothing other than the "Thug Report."

    "The Creole functioned in an elitist structure, based on family ties." That is a statement open for discussion. Go for it.


    Smells like racism. Black people are anti-education and the rule of law? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 23, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
    Re: Creole. In a sense I was/am waiting for the other shoe to drop but thinking about the piece and being concerned that histories can be re-written,ignored so that no one remembers, or simply covered up I am glad this was posted.
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    Dec 23, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    I like CEREAL...

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    Dec 23, 2010 9:22 PM GMT
    A1EX saidI thought this thread was going to be about porn star that you're in love with.

    Like... Austin. He's /so/ dreamy. He makes my heart melt. icon_redface.gif

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    I'll take the one standing behind him, please.

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    Dec 23, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
    LOL, i was just wondering which one of them tops in the vid... I hope its the beefy guy. icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 23, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    KyleAD saidLOL, i was just wondering which one of them tops in the vid... I hope its the beefy guy. icon_eek.gif



    I think the guy's shirt answers your question.

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    Dec 23, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    DJdorchester said
    KyleAD saidLOL, i was just wondering which one of them tops in the vid... I hope its the beefy guy. icon_eek.gif



    I think the guy's shirt answers your question.



    hahaha... didnt even notice it. good... very good... now to find the video. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 23, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    Tazo995 saidlol i just mean that discussion requires a thesis...


    I read it more thoroughly but I still don't get it to the degree that I think is required to form a solid opinion... xD What makes this excerpt from history relevant? Is there some sociology I'm supposed to consider?

    Also, the original post is just a long statement, not a question requiring a response. So yeah, I don't get it, lol

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    DJdorchester said
    A1EX saidI thought this thread was going to be about porn star that you're in love with.

    Like... Austin. He's /so/ dreamy. He makes my heart melt. icon_redface.gif

    101114_cain_austin_01b.jpg



    I'll take the one standing behind him, please.




    PFFFFT- Cain is overrated. Austin is... amazing.
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    Dec 24, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    KyleAD said
    DJdorchester said
    KyleAD saidLOL, i was just wondering which one of them tops in the vid... I hope its the beefy guy. icon_eek.gif

    I think the guy's shirt answers your question.

    hahaha... didnt even notice it. good... very good... now to find the video. icon_wink.gif

    Yeah, Austin, the taller one, is the bottom-
    He doesn't have a 'porn-star dick' so they make him bottom- but he enjoys it- A LOT. icon_redface.gif
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    Dec 24, 2010 12:40 AM GMT
    Creole seasoning is full of win.
    nomnomnom
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    Dec 24, 2010 12:51 AM GMT
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    Dec 24, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidCreole seasoning is full of win.
    nomnomnom

    NOM NOM NOM
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    Dec 26, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    THat was interesting information, thanks... this "creole" culture of which you speak still exists in fact, in most Caribbean islands, where differences in social status are not based on race, but on class as well
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    Dec 26, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    Kid Creole & The Coconuts!
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    Dec 26, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
    Animus said
    Also, the original post is just a long statement, not a question requiring a response. So yeah, I don't get it, lol



    Thank you. Yes. Exactly.

    Oh, to the OP, by the way, the sky is blue. Your thoughts?

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    Dec 26, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    UpperCanadian saidThat is interesting background. It is a totally alien cultural and social construct to me.

    I will offer a couple of questions then, and propose a point of discussion to facilitate:

    1. Is this this culture uniquely evident in LA - where else did this social structure predominate and does it still exist anywhere?

    2. how does this differ from primitive tribalism?



    Ehm, sorry canuck, but I already answered your question above... we're still around to a great degree, on several Caribbean islands... and yes, it is very similar to tribalism... though I would not deem that "primitive" since that would relegate my culture to being "backward"...and I have met a many non-creole culture to be more backward than my own...

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    Dec 26, 2010 10:03 PM GMT
    I'm from louisiana and there are part of louisiana that many blacks have prospered because of their creole roots. Places like Sulphur,Lake Charles, and Kenner where still black speak creole french. These days it's a dying language in the south.My grandparents speak creole french but it was never passed on to my parents or me.