fatigue & wasting time

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    Dec 23, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    Hey guys, I've seen there's a couple of posts on this issue already, but somehow wanted to share my experience.

    Do you know the feeling when you're just tired for weeks and no matter what, it doesn't change? The internet is full of posts about it, it seems to be todays 1st world disease, and the market is jumping on us with all kinds of supplements and vitamins etc etc.

    However when you google, 'sleeping problems' it's frustrating to see you only find people that cannot sleep. My problem however is related to waking up. icon_biggrin.gif It's not funny though, it's been like that whole my life already, at least since I was in college, I remember. I always got late at school. And still often get late at work. Even after 8/9 hours of sleep I wake up in a sort of coma-state, and my mind does not seem to be strong enough to drag my body out of bed, really sometimes I wish I could sleep for the rest of my life!!

    This sometimes is combined with a fatigue I feel all through the day. Sometimes it's frustrating because it makes me less productive when working out at the gym for example. If I have busy days at work though, it doesn't really interfere, I can do tonnes of work but would then crash at home after works. It's just when it's less busy, and I'd actually have to enjoy that free time to do other things like reading, or cleaning, or going to a museum, that I sometimes feel so tired/lazy.

    There are so many things written about it and here comes a recap - my question is if you have had similar experiences and how you solved it, or what of the below are just myths:

    - I usually go to bed late (1/2 AM) - but then I get up at 9 AM for example, so I do get my 8 hrs of sleep. Would it be better if I go to bed earlier and get up earlier? (I've tried though, and usually end up just sleeping longer).

    - I have a moderate coffee addiction. I do need my coffee in the morning, or else I'm not a human being. Should I try stop drinking coffee? First days would be incredibly hard though.

    - I often seem to need a can of coke or pepsi (not the light ones) and it seems that this sugar intake really gives me a boost. It almost makes me feel as if I'm doing something healthy. Any ideas on that?

    - I might try to get a bit more routing / rituals into my life. My psychologist has told me I need to try to relax before I go to bed. But in the end, I end up doing stuff till late at night always (quite a busy person), and if I don't, I'm watching TV/youtube, which might not be the best thing to do neither. Anyone has tried to build in more routine in their lives, and what effect has it got?

    - I've seen the posts on adrenal fatigue, and I know cancer can be a base of it as well. My doctor did a bloodtest and everything is normal he says. I am aware of the above, but I don't want to over-dramatize the whole thing, nowadays if you have any symptom you google it and apparently you have cancer.

    - full moon > do these really have an impact??

    - seasonal changes: in winter I'm exposed to way less sunlight, especially since I moved here from Spain - however I take in vitamin D supplements, so that issue should be solved.

    - foodwise: I always have breakfast (either cereals / a bagel / croissant / wholegrain bread with marmelade or stuff like that), a decent meal at lunch time and a lighter meal in the evening or vice versa. Just not on very regular moments, I have to admit I'm quite a chaotic person if it comes to time management.

    - I try to work out 3 times a week and have a running training or session two times a week. I also have a protein shake with lots of extra stuff added in so one would expect I'd be boasting with energy!!

    - stress: I've had some stressy periods this year, especially at work, but that's more or less under control now.

    I want to feel freakin' energetic again like when I was a child? Or is that I'm getting older? Can't be that neither- my parents are 55 and they sleep 6 hours a night and they get up alive and kicking!! Also when I flatshare, it's frustrating to see how flatmates get up at 7 in the morning, just for 'fun' because they actually have nothing else to do, whilst I struggle big time with getting out of bed... Also, I am quite ambitious professionally, but as I slightly climb up the ladder I start realizing I definitely need a change of lifestyle if I want to take on more responsibilities! I mean, if I ever want to be the general manager of a company, or just have a decent position, I can't make it to arrive late in meetings, and ideally I'd like to get up in the mornings to read the newspaper before I go to work.

    I waste so much time in my life and really want to change that. Maybe if there's other people with the same problem we can make a plan for 2011 icon_biggrin.gif

    all the best

    Tim
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    Dec 24, 2010 12:44 AM GMT
    I have your same problem.

    My parents introduced me to coffee at age 3...been drinking it daily ever since. It's not an addiction -- It's a lifestyle. I can drink coffee before bed and it won't phase me...still go right to sleep if I'm already tired.

    However, the ONLY thing that helps me wake up is weed. Thanks to my choice of career (pilot), that's not an option. I'll be interested in seeing what other options people come up with. So far, the only thing I can do is get out of bed 3 hrs before work; otherwise I'll run the risk of being late (or performing very badly, which poses its own dangers).
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    Dec 24, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
    You have a delayed sleep phase syndrome.

    It's frequent in teenager, less common at your age.

    It's very likely not the consequence of your lifestyle (bed time routine, coffee), but just the way you are.

    You can improve your condition, but should see sleep doctor.
    The treatment is inexpensive, usually a mix of lumino-therapy (bright ligth lamp on the morning) and melatonin pills (2 hours before sleep time), plus adjusting a bit your lifestyle to help feel sleep earlier (no coffee after 5am, no workout late in the day etc...).

    You feel tired because you can never sleep sleep properly when you body need it. It can even generate depression.

    I would love to have your problem, mine is "free run sleep syndrome", and there is no cure, I go to bed one or two hour later every day, all year long.

    You really should see a specialist and start treatment, there is a good chance it will work, and you will get your energy back.

    Feel free to email me if you want more explanation etc...
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    Dec 24, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    Is your room dark when you awaken? What really helps me awaken before waking is having light spilling on my eyelids. With that I actually wake up very easily. Without it I can sleep until the afternoon, and feel groggy for a long time.
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    Dec 24, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    I have a hard time getting out of bed. Three options:

    1- An alarm set across the room, so that you have to get up and move.

    2- Music that gets you going, without it being too slow or too noisy. Usually if it's about struggle or empowerment, then that's even better. Madonna's "Jump" for example ;)

    3- Have someone to snuggle in bed with and then you don't have to care about getting out of bed right away. Also, they energize you icon_biggrin.gif


    I used to go to bed after 12am as well, and that really screwed up my sleep. Simply forcing yourself to go to sleep at midnight made a real difference. Usually that would mean that you "unplug" around 11.30pm so that are tucked in by midnight.

    People blame coffee for a lot of stuff, but as long as you don't drink it too late at night, why would it keep you up? If anything, it gives you that "crashing" feeling a couple of hours later. In Argentina we drink coffee after dinner religiously, so I can't say that it actually keeps you up... quite the contrary.

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    Dec 24, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    I don't know if this is common, but as I get older, it seems to take me longer and longer to feel fully awake and alert in the mornings. It has gotten to where I just give myself 30 to 45 minutes after getting out of bed to just try to wake up and get alert. The amount of sleep I get doesn't seem to make a difference unless we're talking about the weekends where I might be awake but just not get out of bed for a half hour or so.
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    Dec 24, 2010 6:31 PM GMT
    Hey guys thanks for your contributions. Good to hear I'm not the only one that has trouble with sleeping, particularly waking up. I'll start with trying to go to bed before midnight. But I might go to see a doctor as well, as Minox suggested, thanks for your story!

    I`ve tried putting my alarm clock at the other side of the room before and might start doing it again. It often resulted in the whole flat waking up though (or complaining about the noise while I just slept through it). In the morning my room is filled with lovely, bright sunlight, it doesn`t change a thing. I often end up pushing snooze buttons during upto 2 (!) hours. My body yells sleep, sleep, sleep. It´s frustrating, because I start the day with stress already, I´m always angry at myself for getting up too late.

    When I still had a boyfriend, he used to get up earlier than I did, and it didn`t change a thing. I wish I had the energy to get up together with him, like other people sometimes can´t go back to sleep when they wake up (I soooo envy that). I, instead, was just too sleep-drunk to realize what was happening and just wanted to sleep longer.

    It´s definitely one of my New Years resolutions to break this pattern, first I´ll try it on my own and if I can´t I´ll definitely see a specialist.

    all the best,

    Tim
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    Dec 24, 2010 7:57 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidIs your room dark when you awaken? What really helps me awaken before waking is having light spilling on my eyelids. With that I actually wake up very easily. Without it I can sleep until the afternoon, and feel groggy for a long time.


    Ditto.

    When I was in my parents' house, I had a bedroom with an eastern facing window and I'd wake up at 6 AM perkier than a schoolgirls' tits. Today I keep the shades closed because I have a ground-floor apartment and I'm lucky if I'm up by 2:00.
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    Dec 24, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    BrainyBrainyBrainy saidI have a hard time getting out of bed. Three options:

    1- An alarm set across the room, so that you have to get up and move.

    2- Music that gets you going, without it being too slow or too noisy. Usually if it's about struggle or empowerment, then that's even better. Madonna's "Jump" for example ;)

    3- Have someone to snuggle in bed with and then you don't have to care about getting out of bed right away. Also, they energize you icon_biggrin.gif


    I used to go to bed after 12am as well, and that really screwed up my sleep. Simply forcing yourself to go to sleep at midnight made a real difference. Usually that would mean that you "unplug" around 11.30pm so that are tucked in by midnight.

    People blame coffee for a lot of stuff, but as long as you don't drink it too late at night, why would it keep you up? If anything, it gives you that "crashing" feeling a couple of hours later. In Argentina we drink coffee after dinner religiously, so I can't say that it actually keeps you up... quite the contrary.



    i like all this ideas but i like more the one suggesting them icon_redface.gif
    can you give me that therapy? lol
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    Dec 24, 2010 11:24 PM GMT
    I'm the same way and gave up fighting it years ago. I work third shift and have most of my life, most people I work with are the same and in our 24hr society we are in demand. If I have to be somewhere early I usually stay up, because I know I won't make it.
    I'm a night person; a day walker, bitten in high school.