Christianity is true. It's the only belief system in which prophecy has been fulfilled.

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    Dec 27, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    Here is an account of the crucifixion of Jesus which God inspired the Old Testament prophet Isaiah to record centuries before Jesus' death, starting at Isaiah 52:13 ~

    "See, my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.

    "Just as there were many who were appalled at him -- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness -- so he will sprinkle many nations and kings will shut their mouths because of him.

    "For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

    "Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

    "He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground.

    "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

    "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and familiar with suffering.

    "Like one from whom men hide their faces, he was despised and we esteemed him not.

    "Surely, he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by Him, and afflicted.

    "But he was bruised for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

    "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

    "By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of my people he was stricken.

    "He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was there any deceit in his mouth.

    "Yet, it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

    "After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life, and be satisfied; by his knowledge, my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.

    "Therefore, I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressor

    "For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
    In reading the foregoing Scripture, you will notice that the person being described is a very unusual person indeed. Although he was wise and had DONE NO VIOLENCE and there was NO DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH, nevertheless God chose to CRUSH HIM AND CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER.
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    Apr 21, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    Thanks for your Christian witness.

    Making nonbelievers uneasy about rejecting God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ is a loving thing to do. It could save souls from eternal damnation. All have sinned and the only recourse is Salvation through Jesus Christ.

    Thanks for posting parts of the Bible here.

    The importance of fulfilled Bible prophecy can hardly be overestimated.

    It confirms that the Bible was divinely inspired and establishes the validity of Christianity.

    It also validates the End Times prophecies of the Bible. The following is a summary of where we are headed from www.gotquestions.org :

    "Question: "What is going to happen according to end times prophecy?"

    Answer: The Bible has a lot to say about the end times. Nearly every book of the Bible contains prophecy regarding the end times. Taking all of these prophecies and organizing them can be difficult. Following is a very brief summary of what the Bible declares will happen in the end times.

    Christ will remove all born-again believers from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54). At the judgment seat of Christ, these believers will be rewarded for good works and faithful service during their time on earth or will lose rewards, but not eternal life, for lack of service and obedience (1 Corinthians 3:11-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

    The Antichrist (the beast) will come into power and will sign a covenant with Israel for seven years (Daniel 9:27). This seven-year period of time is known as the “tribulation.” During the tribulation, there will be terrible wars, famines, plagues, and natural disasters. God will be pouring out His wrath against sin, evil, and wickedness. The tribulation will include the appearance of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the seven seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments.

    About halfway through the seven years, the Antichrist will break the peace covenant with Israel and make war against it. The Antichrist will commit “the abomination of desolation” and set up an image of himself to be worshipped in the Jerusalem temple (Daniel 9:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10), which will have been rebuilt. The second half of the tribulation is known as “the great tribulation” (Revelation 7:14) and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7).

    At the end of the seven-year tribulation, the Antichrist will launch a final attack on Jerusalem, culminating in the battle of Armageddon. Jesus Christ will return, destroy the Antichrist and his armies, and cast them into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:11-21). Christ will then bind Satan in the Abyss for 1000 years and He will rule His earthly kingdom for this thousand-year period (Revelation 20:1-6).

    At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released, defeated again, and then cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7-10) for eternity. Christ then judges all unbelievers (Revelation 20:10-15) at the great white throne judgment, casting them all into the lake of fire. Christ will then usher in a new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem—the eternal dwelling place of believers. There will be no more sin, sorrow, or death (Revelation 21–22).

    Recommended Resource: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware.

    www.gotquestions.org

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    Apr 21, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    It's still a matter of faith. First, there is every possibility that the writers of the New Testament put words into the mouth and scenerios into the life of Jesus to make it correlate with the old Testament. Indeed, upon very close inspection between the Passion narratives and Isaiah 52-53, there is very little semblance between the suffering servant of the latter and the suffering messiah of the former.

    I'm not saying this because I'm not a Christian. My faith in God and his son is strong. It's just that as Christians, we are not called to defend our faith, and we are not called to prove anything. We are simply called to believe with everything that we are. The correlations between the two stories shouldn't surprise us. Nor should they be of any importance other than the fact that they are just there.

    The Muslims say the same thing about the Qu'ran. It is true because it has been proven by the prophet.

    The Bible should never act to prove anything. It should only be used to strengthen the goodness and love in the world by those who believe in it.
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:43 PM GMT
    The more I read of this post, the more shamed I am to be a Christian. These posts are full of hatred (ignorance, looking down upon, etc.) for the Other, segregation among peoples, and false interpretations.

    Again, we are not called to be doing this sort of thing as Christians. We need to love unconditionally. It is NOT a loving thing to force your own perspective of God down the throats of others by proclaiming your own beliefs and interpretations "true".

    Such prejudice and hatred is surely not what Jesus intended when he lived out his interpretation of Hebrew scripture. He tells us that to love is to die for another, not to defend the self.
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    allanon saidThe Bible... should only be used to strengthen the goodness and love in the world by those who believe in it.

    A very wise post from start to finish.
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    Apr 22, 2011 2:14 PM GMT


    Well, that's the thing about that book. It will provide the reader with what the reader wants, so be careful what you seek in that book of Light and Dark. It speaks solely to the reader and no one else.

    "Yet, it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand."

    Oh yes, because some require a cold and implacable god, impatient with worthless man, waiting for an unwary moment to strike him down in his sin.

    Interestingly, this quoted passage insinuates Christ would have a wife n kids.
    "he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand"


    Personally, I think Christ showed us how completely and casually cruel people can be. He triggered a collective conscience which is what saves us if we listen to it. The crucifix to me is like a giant stop sign and many Christians fail to heed it when opening their mouths to condemn others, or tell others they're damned, or preach the end of the world is nigh.

    -Doug, a christian






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    Apr 23, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
    Being the time of year that it is, I spent yesterday considering this topic.

    So here are some PERSONAL OPINIONS.


    First:
    "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

    "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and familiar with suffering.

    This is partly untrue, as only SOME thought of Christ that way, a great many others followed him, listened him, came to him for help.

    And then this:

    "Surely, he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by Him, and afflicted."

    ....followed by this self-congratulatory statement, making the wrong of the first statement, a right by the justifications in this statement.


    "Yet, it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,"

    Really? See this?

    " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

    In short, god left Christ to the mercy of the people of that time. What happened to christ was the work of men, not god. I believe this is the lesson to be learned, that men are solely responsible for what happened to christ, and there is a lot of righteous justification for it with the 'god wanted us to' rhetoric.
    Did god know what was going to happen? Sure.

    Here's an example on a much smaller scale. When I was 5 I wanted a turtle, those little ones that live in a terrarium setting. Mom and Dad hesitated, then gave in. The ensuing months were full of endless lectures because I neglected it, let the water evaporate, forgot to feed it, ignored it for days on end. Finally after months of nagging and looking after it fr me. Mom and Dad said no more, that it was my responsibility and if it died I was to blame.

    As you can imagine, that fell on rather deaf ears ( I was stubborn, lol). One day, about a month later, I suddenly remembered my turtle. I looked in the cupboard where I'd put his shallow tank and him. The tank was dried out, scummed over and the turtle gone. I'll never forget that moment of truth. The humility was crushing, and I was angry with me, upset I'd killed my turtle, and went to Mom and Dad crying. They were kind, asked what had happened and consoled me then reminded me of how they'd tried and I wouldn't listen. This was a very potent lesson that made me see animals and how they depend on us in a whole new light. I was a changed boy.

    Many years later Mom told me they'd taken the turtle back to the pet store. icon_wink.gif


    Food for thought this Earth Day.

    -Doug



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    Aug 01, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    allanon: The more I read of this post, the more shamed I am to be a Christian. These posts are full of hatred (ignorance, looking down upon, etc.) for the Other, segregation among peoples, and false interpretations. Again, we are not called to be doing this sort of thing as Christians. We need to love unconditionally. It is NOT a loving thing to force your own perspective of God down the throats of others by proclaiming your own beliefs and interpretations "true". Such prejudice and hatred is surely not what Jesus intended when he lived out his interpretation of Hebrew scripture. He tells us that to love is to die for another, not to defend the self.

    jockfever: I presume that you are referring to my statements about Bible prophecy as "ignorant" and "hateful." I hope that Christianity is advanced by your comments.

    The "black regiment" (Christian ministers) played a key role in the American Revolution, organizing and leading the militias which fought the British army. Was their activism "ignorant" and "hateful"? Or are you grateful for their contribution to building the once greatest nation on earth?

    Some Christians believe that they have a duty to be actively engaged in the debates of the day. Christianity was weak in post-World-War-I Germany. A strong Christian society would not have allowed Nazism to prevail, leading to its horrendously destructive assault on Christian Western Civilization.

    Christianity is always under attack by pagans. Many anti-Christian abominations are posted by proud pagans here at RJ. Your choice to not defend your faith may win souls for Christ. Others believe it is healthy for Christians to participate in the clash of ideas. Was it "ignorant" and "hateful" for Christians to defend the gates of Vienna against an Islamic army in the 1600's?

    "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father Which is in Heaven." To me this means that a witness of faith is appropriate in every circumstance of life.

    Time is short. Pagans place themselves at risk to face the Tribulation and eternal damnation. We as Christians have an obligation to proclaim the Good News and warn them of the danger they face, in my opinion. However clumsy my efforts may be, I don't think silence in the face of anti-Christian bigotry is helpful.





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    Aug 01, 2011 5:58 AM GMT
    allanon saidThe more I read of this post, the more shamed I am to be a Christian. These posts are full of hatred (ignorance, looking down upon, etc.) for the Other, segregation among peoples, and false interpretations.

    Again, we are not called to be doing this sort of thing as Christians. We need to love unconditionally. It is NOT a loving thing to force your own perspective of God down the throats of others by proclaiming your own beliefs and interpretations "true".

    Such prejudice and hatred is surely not what Jesus intended when he lived out his interpretation of Hebrew scripture. He tells us that to love is to die for another, not to defend the self.


    Amen....
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    Aug 01, 2011 10:17 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    "For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
    In reading the foregoing Scripture, you will notice that the person being described is a very unusual person indeed. Although he was wise and had DONE NO VIOLENCE and there was NO DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH, nevertheless God chose to CRUSH HIM AND CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER.


    Do all CRAZY RJ evangelists TYPE in ALTERNATING CAPS and NOT caps?
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    Aug 08, 2011 6:43 AM GMT
    Thanks for your Christian witness.

    Making nonbelievers uneasy about rejecting God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ is a loving thing to do. It could save souls from eternal damnation. All have sinned and the only recourse is Salvation through Jesus Christ.

    Thanks for posting parts of the Bible here.

    The importance of fulfilled Bible prophecy can hardly be overestimated.

    It confirms that the Bible was divinely inspired and establishes the validity of Christianity.

    It also validates the End Times prophecies of the Bible. The following is a summary of where we are headed from www.gotquestions.org :

    "Question: "What is going to happen according to end times prophecy?"

    Answer: The Bible has a lot to say about the end times. Nearly every book of the Bible contains prophecy regarding the end times. Taking all of these prophecies and organizing them can be difficult. Following is a very brief summary of what the Bible declares will happen in the end times.

    Christ will remove all born-again believers from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54). At the judgment seat of Christ, these believers will be rewarded for good works and faithful service during their time on earth or will lose rewards, but not eternal life, for lack of service and obedience (1 Corinthians 3:11-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

    The Antichrist (the beast) will come into power and will sign a covenant with Israel for seven years (Daniel 9:27). This seven-year period of time is known as the “tribulation.” During the tribulation, there will be terrible wars, famines, plagues, and natural disasters. God will be pouring out His wrath against sin, evil, and wickedness. The tribulation will include the appearance of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the seven seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments.

    About halfway through the seven years, the Antichrist will break the peace covenant with Israel and make war against it. The Antichrist will commit “the abomination of desolation” and set up an image of himself to be worshipped in the Jerusalem temple (Daniel 9:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10), which will have been rebuilt. The second half of the tribulation is known as “the great tribulation” (Revelation 7:14) and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7).

    At the end of the seven-year tribulation, the Antichrist will launch a final attack on Jerusalem, culminating in the battle of Armageddon. Jesus Christ will return, destroy the Antichrist and his armies, and cast them into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:11-21). Christ will then bind Satan in the Abyss for 1000 years and He will rule His earthly kingdom for this thousand-year period (Revelation 20:1-6).

    At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released, defeated again, and then cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7-10) for eternity. Christ then judges all unbelievers (Revelation 20:10-15) at the great white throne judgment, casting them all into the lake of fire. Christ will then usher in a new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem—the eternal dwelling place of believers. There will be no more sin, sorrow, or death (Revelation 21–22).

    Recommended Resource: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware.

    www.gotquestions.org

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  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 6:52 AM GMT
    Really saidThanks for your Christian witness.

    Making nonbelievers uneasy about rejecting God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ is a loving thing to do. It could save souls from eternal damnation. All have sinned and the only recourse is Salvation through Jesus Christ.

    Thanks for posting parts of the Bible here.

    The importance of fulfilled Bible prophecy can hardly be overestimated.

    It confirms that the Bible was divinely inspired and establishes the validity of Christianity.

    It also validates the End Times prophecies of the Bible. The following is a summary of where we are headed from www.gotquestions.org :

    "Question: "What is going to happen according to end times prophecy?"

    Answer: The Bible has a lot to say about the end times. Nearly every book of the Bible contains prophecy regarding the end times. Taking all of these prophecies and organizing them can be difficult. Following is a very brief summary of what the Bible declares will happen in the end times.

    Christ will remove all born-again believers from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54). At the judgment seat of Christ, these believers will be rewarded for good works and faithful service during their time on earth or will lose rewards, but not eternal life, for lack of service and obedience (1 Corinthians 3:11-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

    The Antichrist (the beast) will come into power and will sign a covenant with Israel for seven years (Daniel 9:27). This seven-year period of time is known as the “tribulation.” During the tribulation, there will be terrible wars, famines, plagues, and natural disasters. God will be pouring out His wrath against sin, evil, and wickedness. The tribulation will include the appearance of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the seven seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments.

    About halfway through the seven years, the Antichrist will break the peace covenant with Israel and make war against it. The Antichrist will commit “the abomination of desolation” and set up an image of himself to be worshipped in the Jerusalem temple (Daniel 9:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10), which will have been rebuilt. The second half of the tribulation is known as “the great tribulation” (Revelation 7:14) and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7).

    At the end of the seven-year tribulation, the Antichrist will launch a final attack on Jerusalem, culminating in the battle of Armageddon. Jesus Christ will return, destroy the Antichrist and his armies, and cast them into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:11-21). Christ will then bind Satan in the Abyss for 1000 years and He will rule His earthly kingdom for this thousand-year period (Revelation 20:1-6).

    At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released, defeated again, and then cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7-10) for eternity. Christ then judges all unbelievers (Revelation 20:10-15) at the great white throne judgment, casting them all into the lake of fire. Christ will then usher in a new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem—the eternal dwelling place of believers. There will be no more sin, sorrow, or death (Revelation 21–22).

    Recommended Resource: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware.

    www.gotquestions.org

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    I want to say this. Satan is not going to attack outside christianity. he is inside it and devouring souls within. Through his false doctrines he has injected into christianity.

    I want to say that according to the Bible there will be no rapture of the church to escape a tribulation period. The second thing is this. There will be no 7 year tribulation.

    If you can prove to me from the word of God were a Rapture will take place before this tribulation and if you can prove to me where in the bible we have 7 years tribulation mentioned I will then believe.

    I am telling you that the Bible does not say anything of a such. The devil is not going to attack earthly Jerusalem. this is anther lie of the devil. To keep you looking in the wrong direction.

    I have studied the word of God and I can confidently say that there is
    No Rapture
    No 7 year Tribulation

    Just how dangerous is this rapture?
  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 7:01 AM GMT
    Before we read the Word of God together let us pray. Jesus Christ please guide us through your Holy Spirit help us to see the work of the devil and to expose the lies that he wants us to accept. We seek truth o Lord for your Word to show us what the end will be like and how the devil will try and counter your Word.

    Amen

    With this said let us all look at what the rapture is all about

    The rapture of the church is indeed a doctrine that teaches that Christians will be snatched secretly and silently (Jesus comes like a thief in the night) to take away all His born again believers. This takes place before the tribulation.

    Then after this according to the churches of today we see an antichrist come and make a covenant with the Jews for seven years and in the middle of the 7 years we see him break that covenant.

    These people see a literal man walk inside a temple in Jerusalem and claim to be God and at this point the sacrifices are all restarted.

    Now my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus I am going to tell you the truth from the Word of God. It is not my words but God's words which are indeed the Holy Spirit of God who will teach us truth. Jesus is the Way the Truth and Life.

    I will do this study of these topics in different parts starting with this wonderful doctrine of the rapture.
  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:07 AM GMT
    Christ will remove all born-again believers from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

    According to this " Jesus Christ will take away His people BEFORE the antichrist brings this seven years of terror(tribulation)

    We are told that Jesus comes secretly and silently to take away His people like a thief in the night. The rest of the people in the world left behind will just wonder what happened to everyone and according to this they will have a second chance to be saved. They will have to endure the antichrist and it will be tough but they can become followers of Jesus Christ and be saved.

    Here is God's Truth on this matter

    Let us read the word of God for how it is

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
    King James Version (KJV)
    13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

    14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Okay brothers of Christ let us look at this verse very carefully.

    Firstly we can see that Jesus Christ returns for His people and this is NOT SECRET OR SILENT event. It is very clear from these scriptures that Jesus return will be with a SHOUT VOICE OF ARCHANGEL TRUMPET OF GOD

    Does this sound silent to you? No
    Does this sound like it will be a secret coming that people will not know what happened to the Christians? No

    This verse is a VERY NOISY EVENT. Christ Jesus our Lord will not be coming SECRETLY OR SILENTLY.

    God gives us a lot of other proof that we can see that shows us Jesus will not be coming in Secret or Silence.

    If you look into the sky and you see the lightning. Is it secret. Bright flashing lightning? No it is very visable.

    Matthew 24:27
    King James Version (KJV)
    27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

    Jesus Second Coming will be like Lightning. Nothing SECRET OR SILENT about this.

    What other proof do we have regarding Jesus return to this world.

    Do you remember that when Jesus was ascending into Heaven we read about the disciples looking into the sky watching Jesus Christ rise into the heavens.

    Acts 1:11
    King James Version (KJV)
    11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven

    Here we see the angels tell the disciples that Jesus Second Coming will be Visable. It will be exactly like they seen Him go into heaven, so He Jesus will return and they will see Him.

    who will see Jesus Christ return at His Second Coming?

    Revelation 1:7
    King James Version (KJV)
    7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

    Every single person on earth will see the return of Jesus Christ our Lord and King.

    There is no Secret or Silent event. Every single eye will see Him.

    Revelation 6:14-17
    King James Version (KJV)
    14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Jesus Second Coming is NOT SECRET
    Jesus Second Coming is NOT SILENT
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    Aug 08, 2011 9:08 AM GMT



    1 Corinthians 15:51-54
    King James Version (KJV)
    51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    We shall all be changed.

    When does this Change take place?

    The Bible is very clear this change takes place at the LAST TRUMPET.

    The Last trumpet means the very last trumpet after this there is no more trumpets.

    When is the Last Trumpet?

    The Seventh Trumpet

    15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
    “The kingdom of the world has become
    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
    and he will reign for eve
    r and ever.”


    16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

    “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
    the One who is and who was,
    because you have taken your great power
    and have begun to reign.
    18 The nations were angry,
    and your wrath has come.
    The time has come for judging the dead,
    and for rewarding your servants the prophets
    and your people who revere your name,
    both great and small—
    and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

    19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

    So the LAST TRUMPET is at the END of the World when Jesus Comes back(Second Coming)

    So what happens at this last trumpet? The dead come out of their graves and are raised and are given new glorified incorruptible bodies. Then the people on earth in their sinful corruptible bodies are taken up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air.

    Our bodies are corruptible we all experience illness, pain , suffering and death. This is the corruptible bodies we have these are the sinful bodies.

    We must put on INCORRUPTIBLE bodies. What is this body? It is the heavenly bodies when we have been changed by Jesus Christ.

    So the dead rise at the last trumpet when the Kingdoms all belong to Jesus.

    John 5:28-29
    King James Version (KJV)
    28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    Two resurrections here in John are mentioned.

    Daniel 12

    The End Times

    1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

    Here we have two groups of people both in John and Daniel. Two resurrections. One for the righteous who are saved and the other for the wicked who are lost.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:11 AM GMT


    So when do the dead rise from their graves? At the last trumpet. When will Jesus raise us up?

    John 6:39-70
    King James Version (KJV)
    39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

    42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

    43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

    44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    46Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

    47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

    48I am that bread of life.

    49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

    51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

    52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

    53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

    54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Do you remember when Lazarus died and Martha Jesus spoke to Martha. Let us recall God's word.

    John 11:20-30
    King James Version (KJV)
    20Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

    21Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

    22But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

    23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

    24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

    27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

    28And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.

    29As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him

    So Martha even understood Jesus would raise Lazarus in the last day. As she understood as everyone that the resurrection is in THE LAST DAY.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:13 AM GMT


    Then Jesus Christ did this

    John 11:39-50
    King James Version (KJV)
    39Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

    40Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

    41Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

    42And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

    43And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

    44And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    Jesus raised a man dead that was decaying for four days. Can you imagine in the last days when Jesus raises the dead that have been dead for thousands of years? What Glory of God , Amen

    The truth is the scriptures do not teach Jesus is Coming Secretly or silently and coming to take away His people to spare them the tribulation on earth.

    The Bible is clear Jesus return is Visible , Loud and nothing secret or silent about it. We raise at the end of the world at the last trumpet not before. We raise at the last day. Jesus Himself said so.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:15 AM GMT


    His return would be directly AFTER the Tribulation.

    Matthew 24:29-31
    King James Version (KJV)

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 9:36 AM GMT
    The 7th trumpet blows in the last day when Jesus comes.

    Parable of sower Wheat and Tarres

    Both groups are here living together until the end of the world. No one is going to be taken away and be spared the tribulation.

    Matthew 13 makes it very clear when the people are separated. in the Last day.

    The rapture of the Church before Tribulation is False it is a satanic trick to give people a second chance of salvation when Jesus comes. The word rapture does not exist in the bible at all. The rapture goes against what Jesus prayed for in John and what is recorded in Matthew.

    Matthew 28:20
    John 17:15

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:03 AM GMT
    When Jesus comes it is the wicked who are taken and NOT the righteous.

    Who was taken away by the flood in Noah's day? The wicked.

    here is a detailed study on it

    http://www.demonbuster.com/rapture.html

    So it will be in the days when Jesus returns. The people will all be partying, living in sin, eating pork, cursing, getting married, basically living lives as normal then when they say peace and safety this is when it will happen.

    Two men in the field one taken the other left. When Jesus comes the wicked will not escape.

    1 Thes 5:3 tells us the people who are on earth when Jesus has gathered His followers will not escape. Sudden destruction comes upon them. Who is these them? The lost unrepentant sinners.

    but on this day when Jesus comes like a thief in the night we see it is indeed the end of the world.

    2 Peter 3:10 tells us the heavens and earth pass away and everything is burned by fire. This is the end. The wicked are all destroyed.

    There is no one left behind for a seven years tribulation after Jesus comes that is it. It is too late. There are no second chances.

    When that sky opens it is too late, you must choose Christ or the world now before it is too late.

    Proverbs 10:30 says the righteous will NEVER be removed.

    The Pre trib rapture teaches that the Rapture takes place Christians are taken up then the antichrist comes??? The word of God says the antichrist comes first then Jesus comes? See the danger of the rapture?

    2 Thes 2

    Reject the rapture it is a doctrine of the devil to fool Christians to accept the antichrist and think they have a second chance.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:23 AM GMT
    Now we know that the angel of God will seal the righteous in their foreheads with the seal of God. This takes place before the WRATH of God is poured out on the earth.

    Just like Israel was protected from Egypt plagues so it will be that we Christians will be protected by God's Seal on us.

    Revelation 7:1-3

    These plagues will not touch us we are protected divinely by the One True God's Almighty power. The plagues ONLY are for the people who accept the beast and take it's mark.

    but what about Israel? Who is the true Israel of God?

    It is not the Israel in the middle east.

    Christians are God's real Israel all those who are in Isaac are Christ's seed.

    Not all who call themselves are Israel(Bible is clear) been a Jew by race and flesh does not qualify a person to be God's Israel.

    What about the 7 years tribulation? Where do they get this one from.

    Friend this one is worse than the rapture because it takes a prophecy that Jesus Christ Himself has fulfilled and it is turned to mean an antichrist.

    That we will look at next
  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:25 AM GMT
    There are 6 things that must be accomplished or come to pass in the
    490 year timeline of the Daniel 9 prophecy.

    1 To finish the transgression
    2 To make an end to sins
    3 And to make a reconciliation for iniquity
    4 Bring in everlasting righteousness
    5 And to seal up the vision and prophecy
    6 And to anoint the most Holy


    The prophecy is for Daniels people.
    Who are his people? The Jews. There is a total
    of seventy sevens in the prophecy
    which is 70 x 7 = 490 years.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:29 AM GMT
    Some questions we should ask at this point are

    Did Jesus Christ finish the transgression?
    Did Jesus Christ make reconciliation for iniquity?
    Was the Lord Jesus Christ Anointed?
    Did Jesus seal up the vision and the Prophecy?
    Did Jesus make an end to sin?
    Did Jesus bring in everlasting righteousness?

    Do you know that the Jews failed to understand this prophecy which resulted in them rejecting Jesus Christ as the Messiah?

    Seven weeks plus threescore and two weeks (62 weeks) is
    a total of 62 + 7 = 69 Weeks.

    This is 483 years.
    From the commandment?
    In BC457 Cyrus gave the decree concerning
    the rebuilding of the temple. ( Isaiah 44:26)

    So from the BC 457 unto the Messiah the Prince there would be 483 years which brings us to the baptism of Jesus Christ. Now Jesus is called Jesus Christ.

    Christ in Greek means Anointed.

  • twilight2010

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    Aug 08, 2011 10:35 AM GMT
    In the book of Nehemiah there was indeed troublous
    times, many did not want to see the rebuilding of the temple
    and opposed it.

    The Messiah is to be cut off but not for Himself.

    Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9
    they are indeed talking about what the Messiah
    will accomplish.


    And the PEOPLE of the PRINCE. IT IS THE PEOPLE OF THIS PRINCE NOT THE PRINCE who destroys the temple.

    In Ad70 which was 40 years AFTER Jesus Christ death and Resurrection, Prince Titus led the Roman armies into Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed.

    The Roman armies flooded the city of Jerusalem and
    not one stone was left upon another, the temple was
    destroyed completely.

    Matthew 24:1-3

    Now this is where false teachers get their Antichrist seven years.


    Daniel 9:27

    It is the Lord Jesus Christ who

    Causes the sacrifices to cease not some antichrist in a
    rebuilt temple.

    Jesus Christ accomplished this through His perfect sinless everlasting
    sacrifice on the cross.