Riot in Tibet: True face of western media

  • c111_w

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    Mar 22, 2008 12:58 PM GMT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
    Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China


    01西藏過去,現在,將來,永遠都是中國的領土!!
    02Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China!!
    03チベットは過去、現在、これからの将来、永遠に中国の領土であり!
    04티베트는 과거,현재,아프로 영원히 중국의 땅이다!!!
    05Tibet war, ist und wird immer ein Teil von China!!
    06Tibet était, est, et sera toujours une partie inséparable de la Chine!
    07N'importe d'avant,aujourd'hui ou future,Tibet est toujour une partie de chine.

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    Mar 22, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    I don't see your point. Western media has to use stock photos because China has prohibited them entry into Tibet.
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    Mar 22, 2008 5:38 PM GMT
    I wonder whose propaganda machine is trying to discredit the western media. The screen shots don't really look like the Dalai Lama's work. icon_lol.gif
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Mar 22, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    C111_W- What is your point exactly? Are you saying that the Chinese are the victims here?
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    Mar 23, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    So I hear the Chinese are undergoing a MASSIVE pr campaign to avoid looking bad before the Olympics. I had no idea it would spread to realjock. Did you ever question why the Tibetans are so mad to be driven to riots across the entire region or does the Chinese propaganda machine not have an answer for that yet? None of what you have posted proves anything other than that there are a great many people who want China the F#CK out of Tibet all over the world, especially the exiles in Nepal. And even the violence in Nepal against the protesters is Chinese driven: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=1811

    by the way, a "gentleman's agreement" in that region can be synonymous to a bribe.
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    Mar 23, 2008 1:58 AM GMT
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=288_1205901398
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac8_1205852521

    Seeing as you are in China, I doubt you will be able to open either of these videos since the Chinese government blocks websites it deems "unfit".
  • c111_w

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    Mar 23, 2008 7:11 AM GMT
    hi,everyone,i just want to say and Chinese government didn't intiative attack ,that'r reports misrepresent chinese government and people.
  • EricLA

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    Mar 23, 2008 7:16 AM GMT
    I don't know if this is balanced enough for you, but the LA Times Saturday morning (3/22) printed the following story:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-rage22mar22,1,579797.story

    They do report how the Tibetans were responsible for attacks. But oppressed people do rise up from time to time.
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    Mar 23, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
    Im in Beijing right now and yea, I can't access the liveleak site, nor can I access youtube. The government blocked it because it apparently has live footage of what is going on in Tibet.
  • c111_w

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    Mar 23, 2008 7:24 AM GMT
    i cannot open the website.....
    at last,i want to say....
    seeing is believing ,
    don't represent by some incredible reports
  • c111_w

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    Mar 23, 2008 7:34 AM GMT
    those are totally bullshit and see the vedio,plz.
    that vedio shows how western media misleading people.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas&eurl=http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200803&postID=31662
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    Mar 23, 2008 7:39 AM GMT
    Yeh well don't forget the Chinese invaded and took over Tibet? No one came to there rescue because there is no Oil there for example and that's the bottom line so where are you at?
  • c111_w

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    Mar 23, 2008 10:37 AM GMT
    thanks,everyone to see,in my opinion,Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China


    thanks again

    chandler
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    Mar 23, 2008 11:45 AM GMT
    Free Tibet.
  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 23, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
    It's a good thing this was posted on RJ, now things will REALLY change.
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    Mar 23, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    How can you say our media is biased when you can't even open the links I put up because your government wont let you. Think! The west may be biased, but at least we get something. All the Chinese get is propaganda and everything else is blocked. Its like 1984 over there. If you think US hegemony is bad, just wait for Chinese hegemony, with "re-education camps" and their messed up legal system, suppression of religious freedom, not to mention state controlled media and property grabbing by officials. By the way for those of you who don't know, estimations on the high end point to 2,000,000 (6 zeros people!) have been kicked out of their homes for the 2008 Olympics. Many of whom were not paid or compensated. When the people tried to protest, something like 40,000 people were incarcerated. "People's Republic" my @ss. Another fine example of how Communism sucks in practice.

    The reports from the Human Rights Watch:

    http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/china/beijing08/evictions.htm

    http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/china/beijing08/evictions.htm

    I doubt anyone from China will be able to access the page with the censorship and all.
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    Mar 23, 2008 6:57 PM GMT
    c111_w,

    The youtube video you posted clip by clip is mired with propaganda and false accusations. The video incorrectly attempts to connect the situation in Tibet with that of Britain, United States, Canada, Japan, and Australia. The only problem with this is that all of those countries utilize a true democratic system of government where the people elect their government leaders by going to polling locations whereas in China that doesn't happen. I'm actually surprised the video is using Texas as the example of sectarianism for the US when the most glaring case that can be made would be that of the confederate states during the US civil war.

    Britain has already handed over most government control to the Scottish parliament for it to administer its land, and I believe the situation in N. Ireland is mirroring the same process of power sharing. As for Texas, I do not live there but I would venture a good guess to say that most Texans probably want to stay as a part of the US. Quebec, due to the strong provincial nature of Canada's government structure, already enjoys a lot of autonomy. While you get the headlines that Quebec is threatening to leaving the union, you hardly hear those headlines turn violent. I'm a little unclear with the situation in Japan, but for Australia the recent change in government from the more conservative Howard to the liberal Rudd have made progress towards recognizing the indigenous people. One of PM Rudd's first acts upon assuming office was to issue an apology to them.

    The examples all used are out-of-date and completely different than the situation with Tibet. China claims to be a pseudo-democracy, and while it is true that a lot of local offices and some national posts are democratic, the nation as a whole remains in the hands of a few bureaucratic party leaders. The chinese government should least allow Tibet local autonomous rule like Hong Kong.
  • realfoodie

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    Mar 24, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    It's interesting to read the responses from people from different ethnicities and countries. A lot of peoples' perceptions are influenced to some extent by their racial/habitual society. I'm Chinese by heritage, born in Taiwan, Australian by choice. Reading what people have replied on this post, I just wanted to add something into the pot for people to think about.

    To Chandler (C111): as a Chinese person, I've always thought that it was good China has gotten strong. But, you say that Tibet and other "regions" are part of China and that all the ethnic groups are Chinese. Are you Han Chinese? Are you treated the same as the Tibetans in Si Chuan? Do you have more opportunities because you happen to be in the majority group both politically and racially?
    Don't forget, China was weak and taken advantage of by some of the Western Culture for a centuries. Although not taken over and colonized, China bowed down to the more powerful. One day, Tibet may gain the upper hand over China, or other nations may overpower China again. So I suggest to you, broaden your mind and don't just think like a middle class Han Chinese (and yeah you do think like that because as you say, you can't even access a simple website with a different point of view, so I highly doubt you have read widely and have a big perspective).

    To Makeumyne and Relokou: many people across the World who fight for Tibetan rights/freedom have no idea how much China has improved and done for Tibet. Before Chinese helped lay down infrastructure and governance, the Tibetan Lamas, the Dalai Lama and the other 3 Lama leaders from the different schools goverend. When the Dalai Lama (DL) dies and a reincarnation isn't found, these 3 other Lamas rule by turn, ie one school rules til the next DL is found, then when the DL die, the next school rules. You can see sorta imagine how much chaos and politics can go on (note that all these schools DO have their own agendas, hence their existence). The Chinese government eradicated this process, and has kept continued progress (this is a western measurement by the way), by building schools, creating hospitals and so on, which the Lamas never did. I know it can be argued that the Tibetan people don't want these things, but yeah, like seriously, should they just be disconnected from the world?

    In the end, what C111 was trying to say is exactly what a lot of you are saying i reckon. Media is filled with crap loads of propaganda, Western or Eastern. Better to read up from different writers/reporters from all sides of the spectrum and then start telling each other off haha.

    ps sorry for the long read
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    Mar 24, 2008 2:54 AM GMT
    Well, it seems the first post has expanded a bit since when I posted.

    I disagree, realfoodie, that c111 was simply trying to argue that the “[m]edia is filled with crap loads of propaganda, Western or Eastern. Better to read up from different writers/reporters from all sides of the spectrum.” He was claiming explicitly that the Western media misleads its audience regarding Tibet, and he implicitly was claiming that the Chinese media, his source of information, does not do so.

    I also fail to see how your “food for thought” you’ve given to Relokou has any import. It is misleading to claim that China has substantially improved Tibetans’ lives, since most of their development expenditures benefit the Han Chinese immigrants. If I can assume the figure that c111’s video asserts is correct (which is a strong assumption given how inaccurate its other claims are), it only spends about $40 million a year on development there anyway, which is hardly anything. I would bet China has spent more on its new buildings for the Olympics, although I haven’t been able to find any hard data regarding that point. Moreover, I doubt very much that China spends that entire $40M sum directly on development projects; much of its expenditures in Tibet surely go to security. Even if China spends the entire sum on development, it does not follow that Tibet would not be better off as an autonomous region within China (as the Dalai Lama advocates), or as an independent country as many younger Tibetans want.

    More generally, citing past development is disingenuous, since it is not a question of whether Tibet is better off than it was under the Dalai Lamas in the 1940s (which is all your comments go to), or even a question of whether Tibet is better off than it would be if China had not displaced the Dalai Lamas in the 1950s, but rather of how to proceed optimally from the point we’re at now. I would add that if China had justification to occupy Tibet simply because it was previously a “slavery society,” as c111 erroneously claims, or because, as realfoodie points out, that Tibet was previously undeveloped, then it would follow that the West was justified when it occupied China, which I don’t think anyone here believes.
  • Squarejaw

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    Mar 24, 2008 3:14 AM GMT
    It's hard to imagine the current Chinese government as the "legitimate" rulers of ANYONE.

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    Mar 24, 2008 3:27 AM GMT
    FREE TIBET!
  • c111_w

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    Mar 24, 2008 2:32 PM GMT
    1.First of all, I'm a Chinese student and just let u, Westerners, know the truth that ur media never told u. The western media know nothing about news reporting. "objective" is a joke to them and they're just fooling around ur guys. If it can bring profits,
    they could even say that China invades and occupies the whole world, even the whole universe. It's ridiculous!icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_exclaim.gif

    btw, a news for today, a german media appologized for its unreal news about Tiebet


    2:Secondly, let me tell u what is "free religion". That's part of Chinese culture but not urs. When ur ancestors in Europe were fighting for religion and the inquisition were killing by their "devine rights", there were many different religions freely spreaded in China. Such culture lasts till now.

    3:Squarejaw,
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    I know u westerners really love this photo and curious how come this protester dares to stand in front of tanks? Where did his courage come from? Let me tell u all, he was doing that is because he believed in PLA and he believed that the tanks wouldn't even touch him! The photo that u were posted here is trying to prove how brave this protester is? or u r trying to prove the PLA wouldn't hurt people indeed?! If the protester was facing the U.S. Army, did he dare to stand in front of them??! I don't think so! Thx for posting this photo to let me tell u the truth.


    4: Plz don't attack this country, which is already existed for 5000 years even we have different political system.



    ok,stop,thanks,everyone.

    peace

    thanks

    王鵬(chandler)


  • Posted by a hidden member.
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    Mar 24, 2008 2:41 PM GMT
    This is the most annoying thread to open due to all the imagery you've posted in your propogandizing.

    Many westerners are well aware of the propoganda machines in place in their own countries. I suspect that many Chinese are equally aware of the slimey tactics of their own government, but, I would not include you among them.

    OK. Stop.
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Mar 24, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    Wake up to reality, C111. Your government are occupiers in Tibet (just as the US government is in Iraq). It's one thing to say that Tibet was always a part of China (which I disagree with), it's another to defend a government who is systematically attempting to cleanse Tibetan people and culture from the world. Do some homework on your own, C111. Think for yourself, brother. FREE TIBET.
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    Mar 24, 2008 3:09 PM GMT
    Thread ruined. Too many images loading.