Does Michael Vick deserve a second chance?

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    Dec 29, 2010 6:45 PM GMT
    FROM KPPC.ORG (NPR, Pasadena):

    A conversation between President Obama and Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, focused primarily on what the Eagles have done on behalf of green energy, has animal rights activists up in arms. Why? During the conversation President Obama took time to commend Lurie on giving Michael Vick a second chance. The President expressed his belief that those who have served their time and been released deserve to be re-welcomed into society and allowed to rebuild their old lives. Many animal rights activists are furious at the notion that Vick be allowed to play professional football again. They argue that if Vick was not a star football player he would not get this second chance. Does everyone deserve a second chance? Or are some crimes unforgiveable? Is it time for a national discussion about prisoner rehabilitation?



    I'm curious to hear what you guys think about this...
    Just so you know, the issue I want to know about is about forgiveness, not whether or not what Michael Vick did was reprehensible.... we all know it is.

    For me, personally, my thought is that it's going to take time and continued action to decide that. I'm much more interested in a regular display of good will than I am in any words or time served. If he can keep that up one day at a time until the day he breathes his last, then yes... I would and could forgive him.

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    Dec 29, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    "Tucker Carlson filled in for Sean Hannity Tuesday night on Fox News and made a shocking claim: Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick should be executed.

    Carlson led a panel discussion pegged to President Obama's recent phone call with the Eagles owner, in which he applauded the Eagles for giving Vick a second chance following his time in jail over his dogfighting scandal.

    But Carlson is not as forgiving as Obama or the Eagles.

    "I'm a Christian, I've made mistakes myself, I believe fervently in second chances," Carlson said. "But Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did in a heartless and cruel way. And I think, personally, he should've been executed for that. He wasn't, but the idea that the President of the United States would be getting behind someone who murdered dogs? Kind of beyond the pale.""

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/tucker-carlson-michael-vi_n_802192.html
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    Dec 29, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    Yes, he does. While I never committed a felony, I've made plenty of major mistakes in my life and somehow, perhaps undeservedly, gotten MANY chances and finally decided to get it right.

    If Vick has truly repented, I think any success he enjoys is hard earned and is that much sweeter due to the nature of his absence from football.

    If you disagree with me, consider that someday it might be you who needs forgiveness from others.
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    Dec 29, 2010 9:53 PM GMT
    He should be killed!!! I don't give a shit for human rights when it comes to a stupid ass that killed many, many innocent lives. He is a douche bag that has to be put out of society. Jail or else...
    Sorry I am very passionate when it comes to animals...
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    Dec 29, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
    Sure, everyone deserves a second chance. I think the real problem is people don't want to see a guy who murdered dogs being so well-paid and receive all the attention that he is. Truth be told, the man disgusts me, but I don't watch his games, buy his jerseys, etc.... People vote with their dollars, not their words. If people have such a problem with him, they can stop watching him and refuse to pay attention. At this point, he's paid his debt and doing his own thing. I'm not supportive of his career, but it's not my choice to say he can't have one. Obviously, a lot of people are OK with it and that's their decision.
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidFROM KPPC.ORG (NPR, Pasadena):

    Many animal rights activists are furious at the notion that Vick be allowed to play professional football again. They argue that if Vick was not a star football player he would not get this second chance. Does everyone deserve a second chance? Or are some crimes unforgiveable? Is it time for a national discussion about prisoner rehabilitation?






    Ok I may offend some people so sorry in advance but if Vick wasnt a pro football player he would have gotten an easier second chance.

    I mean are animal abusers treated like sex offenders where they have to alert everyone in their neighborhood? That was the dumbest comment they could make and if people that murder people can be given a second chance why cant a person that murdered an animal? Not saying he shouldnt have been punished but I dont believe any human has the right to judge another and say he shouldnt be given a second chance?
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    SQSNY saidHe should be killed!!! I don't give a shit for human rights when it comes to a stupid ass that killed many, many innocent lives. He is a douche bag that has to be put out of society. Jail or else...
    Sorry I am very passionate when it comes to animals...

    I agree...b/c it is not like he was a naive teen - he was a grown-ass man doing that! A very well-paid NFL man...I don't think his 2nd chance should have happened. Too many criminals get too many chances to do more wrong...not saying he will go back to his past, but u really never know... icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    calibro saidSure, everyone deserves a second chance. I think the real problem is people don't want to see a guy who murdered dogs being so well-paid in receive all the attention that he is. Truth be told, the man disgusts me, but I don't watch his games, buy his jerseys, etc.... People vote with their dollars, not their words. If people have such a problem with him, they can stop watching him and refuse to pay attention. At this point, he's paid his debt and doing his own thing. I'm not supportive of his career, but it's not my choice to say he can't have one. Obviously, a lot of people are OK with it and that's there decision.

    Yep, nicely put. I would just add one thing, I was NOT pleased that the leader of the country called to extend his pleasure. Even if he is an avid 'reform Vick' fan, that's his personal thoughts and as the leader of our country should have maintained that in a private manner. I'm all for second chances but as a profile celebrity and role model I think he did an unimaginable amount of damage and public recognition does nothing to change that and only leads to condoning role models with low standards and questionable morals!
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    No. The only reason he is getting a 2nd chance is because of who he is.
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    Why are we questioning forgiveness? Everyone, if they truly demonstrate improvement, should have the opportunity to do good after doing bad. Should Robert Byrd only be known for his KKK ties in the 1940's? I wouldn't want anyone to peg my entire life on the worst things I've done. And I wouldn't want anyone in my life who doesn't believe in forgiveness.

    On a personal note, I think he's borderline retarded and a grade-A douche. I live in Atlanta and was glad to see him leave. I don't think I could root for the Falcons if he was still the QB.
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    Dec 29, 2010 10:36 PM GMT
    No.

    He did not just murder innocent dogs, he tortured them, for years. Then his cowardly ass couldn't even man up to be responsible. He LIED through his teeth to the police, his boss (the Commissioner) and us by telling us he didn't know what was happening on his property. I will tell you this, if I lied to my boss like this, I would not get my job back out of prison. He should never be allowed to have/own/care for any animal, until the things he did to them, are done to him.

    He was/is not sorry, he was only sorry because he got caught and his "friends" turned on him. I have seen some of his public education talks. I do not see someone who is remorseful, only someone annoyed for having to be there.

    Yeah, his name hits a nerve.
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    Dec 29, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    Yeah. his name is incredibly awkward to hear. He's a great player, but his personal life has been a huge embarrassment to the university he played with.

    I'm going to have to say yes to a second chance. You never know how people perceive the world and others. Hopefully, he understand the magnitude of his previous actions in terms of how he affected animals and not how it put him in jail.
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    Dec 29, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    Should he be given a second chance, yes. Should he be allowed to ever own a dog again, No!

    But lets not forget the gay community is not free of sin either, and many lost their lives because of it too, but we are not meant to talk about that.
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    Dec 29, 2010 11:24 PM GMT
    He has not done anything to prove that he's a changed man.... still arrogant -- full with pride. Too soon to even consider forgiving him. I guess persons with money and influence can get second chances easier than the rest of us. He is LUCKY!

    Now, VICK ... go do some good.... KARMA will be a BITCH .... icon_exclaim.gif
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    Dec 29, 2010 11:28 PM GMT
    PGHiccups saidYeah. his name is incredibly awkward to hear. He's a great player, but his personal life has been a huge embarrassment to the university he played with.

    I'm going to have to say yes to a second chance. You never know how people perceive the world and others. Hopefully, he understand the magnitude of his previous actions in terms of how he affected animals and not how it put him in jail.


    .Agreed. The issue I have is, where do you draw the line? It's fine if your opinion is that he shouldn't be playing, but does this mean that once someone is convicted of any crime, that they shouldn't be given another opportunity? Should someone arrested and charged with DUI (as some athletes are), not be given a second chance? What about assault/ battery? Animal cruelty? It comes down to personal opinion and I'm unsure as to what the NFL has in place to determine whether someone is eligible to play in the league again.

    I think he deserved a second chance. What his did was cruel, illegal, and against the 'norms' many societies, but this shouldn't take away from the fact that he is a great athlete. (Even though he's conceited and a bit of a douche).
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    Dec 29, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    n2briefs2 saidHe has not done anything to prove that he's a changed man.... still arrogant -- full with pride. Too soon to even consider forgiving him. I guess persons with money and influence can get second chances easier than the rest of us. He is LUCKY!

    Now, VICK ... go do some good.... KARMA will be a BITCH .... icon_exclaim.gif


    Yes Ted kennedy was living proof of how none blind American justice was when it come to that family of Camelot, dew to their wealth that they amassed from bootlegging.
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    Dec 30, 2010 12:05 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidShould he be given a second chance, yes. Should he be allowed to ever own a dog again, No!

    But lets not forget the gay community is not free of sin either, and many lost their lives because of it too, but we are not meant to talk about that.


    Were you dropped on your head as an infant?
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    Dec 30, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    No. No. No. No more games, no more dogs. He should find regular work now, like anyone else, outside of the national limelight. He is a stain on humanity.
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    Dec 30, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    Just keep him the hell away from any dogs for the forseeable future.

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    Dec 30, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    Whatever you think about forgiveness, that does not equate to subjecting animals to him. Registered sex offenders may have paid their debt to society via a jail term, but they still have to register and stay away some distance from schools.

    The only way I'd allow him around dogs is if he's tied up, and a pack of wild, very hungry dogs are set upon him.
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    Dec 30, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    Michael Vick paid for his crime. Its funny how people get so emotional over animals while we have people dying all over the world. What makes one animal better than any other animal because they way some of these guys look on this site you can't tell me yall not meat eaters. What Michael Vick did was totally wrong but im not going to crucify for him for side activity that been going on in this country for years. This may sound BLUNT but animals are not people and for a human being to treat ;ess than an animals is dispicable. The man paid his dues to society and a guy with that much talent no football franchise would stupid enough to not let him play.
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    Dec 30, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    Fuck him. I hope he burns in hell.

    Or better still, hopefully he'll spend eternity in a cage in hell with hellhounds ripping him to shreds.
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    Dec 30, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
    TawlBlond saidFuck him. I hope he burns in hell.

    Or better still, hopefully he'll spend eternity in a cage in hell with hellhounds ripping him to shreds.


    +1.....I hope he rots and burns in hell. Truthfully, he is not that good of a quarterback.....
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    Dec 30, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    Sure he should have a 2nd chance but under guidelines of a convicted criminal. Example - minimum wage water boy for the team. Let the ass work himself up from there.
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    Dec 30, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
    My mother, 2009: I won't watch the Eagles if they sign that asshole, he should still be in jail.

    My mother, 2010: Everybody deserves a second chance. He did his time, let the man be.

    After embracing people like Allen Iverson and Brett Myers in years past, I'm not at all surprised that Philadelphia forgave Vick the second they needed him early this season. Does he deserve it? Not for me to say. I'm indifferent to the whole situation, though I feel obligated to say that whoever said he "should be killed" really needs to calm down.