A Tale of Two States

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    Dec 31, 2010 3:34 PM GMT


    A Tale of Two States:


    California

    The Governor Elect of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out, bites the
    Governor, and attacks his dog.

    1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi", then realizes he should stop, the coyote is only doing what's natural.

    2. He calls Animal Control. Animal Control captures the coyote and bills the state $200 for testing it for diseases and $5000 for relocating it.

    3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the state $200 for testing it for disease.

    4. The Governor goes to a hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for disease from the coyote and for getting his bite wound bandaged.

    5. The running trail is shut down for 6 months, while Fish & Game conducts their $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

    6. The Governor next spends $150,000 in state funds, implementing a "Coyote Awareness" program for residents of the area.

    7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease, throughout the world.

    8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not somehow stopping the attack and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene. He sues and wins a huge settlement.

    9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a new security agent with additional special training re: The Nature of Coyotes.

    10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the state. Another huge settlement.



    Arizona

    The Governor of Arizona is jogging, with her dog, along a nature trail.
    A coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

    1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her state-issued pistol and keeps jogging.

    The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow-point cartridge.

    2. Arizona buzzards eat the dead coyote.

    And that, my friends, is why California is broke!


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    Dec 31, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    Actually it was Rick Perry, governor of Texas, who was jogging, and shot a coyote that was threating his little dog. 9mm, Ruger LCP as I recall.
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    Jan 01, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
    Arizona

    The Governor of Arizona is jogging, with her dog, along a nature trail.
    A coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

    1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her state-issued pistol and keeps jogging.

    The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow-point cartridge.

    2. Arizona buzzards eat the dead coyote.

    And that, my friends, is why California is broke!


    Ermm....... Dude

    Arizona had to sell its State House .... because it's so broke
    You might wanna rework your short story icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 01, 2011 2:34 PM GMT
    Here's the major flaws in this crappy two state story which appeals to gun use.

    California:
    No one would think "let nature take it's course" when the victim is their pet and stand around thinking that the course of nature is somehow far more important than the psychological closeness to a pet they consider family.

    Arizona:
    You can ward off or attack a coyote without using a gun.

    STORY FAIL.
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    Jan 01, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    It was Governor Perry. He used a S&W 500 with a $2.24 Cor-Bon round. The cleanup was easy. A portion of the coyote's head, with the point of entry of the bullet still intact, remained, while the body was scattered over an acre or so. The vultures swooned in and removed the body in minutes.

    This often is the outcome for muderers and thugs in Texas also.
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    GQjock said<
    Ermm....... Dude

    Arizona had to sell its State House .... because it's so broke
    You might wanna rework your short story icon_wink.gif


    Not to mention one of the great under-discussed inequities of our time: all the states (most of which go Democratic in national elections) that send a lot more in to the Federal government each year than they get back, versus all the states (most of which go Republican in national elections) that get a lot more back than they pay in.

    Here's a good site discussing this, though it doesn't say which year the figures on the linked page discuss, but I think all recent years (and many not-so-recent as well) would show pretty much the same.

    http://www.visualeconomics.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

    As you can see, in the year documented at the link, California got back 78 cents for every dollar it sent to the Federal government while Arizona got back $1.19.

    Doesn't seem fair, does it, Studly?

    I think it's really time for all those Republican states to stop stealing our Democratic money. No more Democratic welfare for those Republican states! The least they could be is grateful. Instead, it often seems like they think it's the other way around and that we're stealing from them. Uh-uh.
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    Jan 02, 2011 6:19 PM GMT
    lolol
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    theatrengym said
    GQjock said<
    Ermm....... Dude

    Arizona had to sell its State House .... because it's so broke
    You might wanna rework your short story icon_wink.gif


    Not to mention one of the great under-discussed inequities of our time: all the states (most of which go Democratic in national elections) that send a lot more in to the Federal government each year than they get back, versus all the states (most of which go Republican in national elections) that get a lot more back than they pay in.

    Here's a good site discussing this, though it doesn't say which year the figures on the linked page discuss, but I think all recent years (and many not-so-recent as well) would show pretty much the same.

    http://www.visualeconomics.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

    As you can see, in the year documented at the link, California got back 78 cents for every dollar it sent to the Federal government while Arizona got back $1.19.

    Doesn't seem fair, does it, Studly?

    I think it's really time for all those Republican states to stop stealing our Democratic money. No more Democratic welfare for those Republican states! The least they could be is grateful. Instead, it often seems like they think it's the other way around and that we're stealing from them. Uh-uh.


    That's what I say. No more welfare for Red States! Their states can cut taxes on the backs of Blue states because they're stealing our money. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    theatrengym saidAs you can see, in the year documented at the link, California got back 78 cents for every dollar it sent to the Federal government while Arizona got back $1.19.

    Doesn't seem fair, does it, Studly?


    It's just redistribution of wealth.... something all you liberals embrace.


    SB - Why don't you admit that you're all for this redistribution when it benefits you. Florida is a welfare state, after all. And we've already surmised that your entire career was/is built on those federal taxes that you're so loathe to pay. If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers or fly into airports built with federal dollars. And, if you can't find one, you can always find another line of business.

    And, lest we forget your Internet company, which is also possible only because of federal largess. You better close up shop or donate the business to someone since you wouldn't want to make a profit off government handouts. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    SB - Why don't you admit that you're all for this redistribution when it benefits you. Florida is a welfare state, after all. And we've already surmised that your entire career was/is built on those federal taxes that you're so loathe to pay. If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers or fly into airports built with federal dollars. And, if you can't find one, you can always find another line of business.

    And, lest we forget your Internet company, which is also possible only because of federal largess. You better close up shop or donate the business to someone since you wouldn't want to make a profit off government handouts. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Congratulations, you're batting 1000. Wrong on every count.


    So you claim. But the facts speak for themselves.
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    Jan 02, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    Time to let Jesusland fend for themselves

    South Carolina and Texas want to secede let them
    Arizona and Utah complain about Federal encroachments?
    Utah is the biggest consumer of Federal funds per capita
    If they wanna complain .... then don't take our money

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    theatrengym saidAs you can see, in the year documented at the link, California got back 78 cents for every dollar it sent to the Federal government while Arizona got back $1.19.

    Doesn't seem fair, does it, Studly?


    It's just redistribution of wealth.... something all you liberals embrace.


    And something you don't like, though you never bring up this particular type of redistribution as being a problem. I think it's time that we should agree on something again (as we have a few times in the past). It's time for Arizona to give all that money back to Calfiornia.
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    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    SB - Why don't you admit that you're all for this redistribution when it benefits you. Florida is a welfare state, after all. And we've already surmised that your entire career was/is built on those federal taxes that you're so loathe to pay. If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers or fly into airports built with federal dollars. And, if you can't find one, you can always find another line of business.

    And, lest we forget your Internet company, which is also possible only because of federal largess. You better close up shop or donate the business to someone since you wouldn't want to make a profit off government handouts. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Congratulations, you're batting 1000. Wrong on every count.


    So you claim. But the facts speak for themselves.


    Come on. You are sooooo wrong here:

    You wrote, " If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers"

    The airlines don't have anything to do with the TSA. That's our wonderful Federal government at work. If it was up to me and many of us in the industry, we would totally get rid of the TSA.

    I'll just stop right there.... (though airports are not built with federal dollars).



    Dude -

    When you're in a hole, stop digging. The TSA "doesn't have anything to do with the airlines?" You want to stand by that statement?

    And airports are not built with federal dollars? Try googling "airport federal funding" and come back and say that again.

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    Jan 02, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    Pilots and Unions?

    You wanna go there?????

    You're kidding aren't you?
    When the Non-unionized airlines work their pilots to death
    for less pay and could give a rat's ass
    about passenger safety

    http://news.injuryboard.com/low-pay-for-regional-jet-pilots-.aspx?googleid=262938

    Do you know who is flying your plane?
    Posted: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:30 am |
    http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/article_5774ca8c-0b90-11e0-bb66-001cc4c03286.html

    Airline passengers may not realize they aren't flying with Delta or United pilots when they buy their tickets. Fewer still know just how inexperienced some of the regional airlines' pilots are.

    And that inexperience has resulted in a string of incidents, punctuated by a deadly crash in Buffalo, N.Y., in February 2009. That crash killed 50 people and resulted from errors by a pilot making less than $16,000 a year with a sub-par training history.

    Exacerbating the anguish of the victims' families was the fact that the flight was sold and flown as a Continental Airlines flight. In reality, it was operated by Colgan Air, a small regional carrier that has contracts with US Airways, United Airlines and Continental
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    Jan 03, 2011 1:02 AM GMT
    1) I really am against the use of regionals being all dressed up as part of the "mainline" airline for lots of reasons... but safety isn't one of them

    2) Regionals are just as safe (unless you want to argue fractions of a percent) as the mainline airlines

    3) Working conditions at some of the regionals are horrid


    Umm .... Like they say on Sesame Street?
    One of these things is not like the other

    your number 2) is a bit incongruous with the others

    Are you saying that Non-unionized airline pilots are not paid less than Unionized airlines?
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    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    SB - Why don't you admit that you're all for this redistribution when it benefits you. Florida is a welfare state, after all. And we've already surmised that your entire career was/is built on those federal taxes that you're so loathe to pay. If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers or fly into airports built with federal dollars. And, if you can't find one, you can always find another line of business.

    And, lest we forget your Internet company, which is also possible only because of federal largess. You better close up shop or donate the business to someone since you wouldn't want to make a profit off government handouts. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Congratulations, you're batting 1000. Wrong on every count.


    So you claim. But the facts speak for themselves.


    Come on. You are sooooo wrong here:

    You wrote, " If you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers"

    The airlines don't have anything to do with the TSA. That's our wonderful Federal government at work. If it was up to me and many of us in the industry, we would totally get rid of the TSA.

    I'll just stop right there.... (though airports are not built with federal dollars).



    Dude -

    When you're in a hole, stop digging. The TSA "doesn't have anything to do with the airlines?" You want to stand by that statement?

    And airports are not built with federal dollars? Try googling "airport federal funding" and come back and say that again.



    Try looking up "Port Authority of NY and NJ" re: who builds airports.

    And as for the TSA.... they are not part of the airlines at all. They are yet another creation of the Federal government. When was the last time you flew somewhere? Sheesh!


    And the Port Authority of NY/NJ doesn't get federal money? Stop splitting hairs. It's not helping your case.

    And without the TSA who would be protecting your planes from all the crazy Muslim terrorists?
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    Jan 03, 2011 2:37 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidIt was Governor Perry. He used a S&W 500 with a $2.24 Cor-Bon round. The cleanup was easy. A portion of the coyote's head, with the point of entry of the bullet still intact, remained, while the body was scattered over an acre or so. The vultures swooned in and removed the body in minutes.

    This often is the outcome for muderers and thugs in Texas also.


    Regrettably not for the illiterate.
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    Jan 03, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
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    PANYNJ: Bonds

    TSA: Glad you finally realize that the TSA is an appendage of the government and not the airlines.


    Yeah, state bonds are PART of what has funded/funds the PATNYNJ but all area airports receive federal dollars for various operations and capital needs.

    And I never said TSA was part of the airlines. Rather, you refuse to admit how much federal money goes into operating the airlines and airports - without which - the industry could not survive. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 saidAnd I never said TSA was part of the airlines.


    Yes you did and you said the airports are built with federal dollars:

    Christian73 saidIf you were a man of principle, you would go work for a private airline that doesn't use TSA workers or fly into airports built with federal dollars.


    So please, just give it up and move on.


    Is English not your first language? The airlines do, indeed, use TSA workers to screen those boarding their flights. If TSA agents weren't doing the screening, would the airlines just let everyone on with no screening? Or, in a post-9/11 world wouldn't they have to employ their own screeners or some other system to make those flying feel safe?

    And, I know you love to parse words rather than engage in an honest debate, but I said they were built "with" federal dollars, but you know that I didn't mean exclusively. But, again, rather than admit it - like someone with principle would - you play silly word games. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 saidIs English not your first language? The airlines do, indeed, use TSA workers to screen those boarding their flights. If TSA agents weren't doing the screening, would the airlines just let everyone on with no screening? Or, in a post-9/11 world wouldn't they have to employ their own screeners or some other system to make those flying feel safe?


    Please, you are treading in an area you know very little about. I'm not gonna tell you how to run your "non-profit" fundraising business, so please accept that fact that you know very little about the airlines and airports system in the USA.

    The airlines have no say whatsoever about TSA.

    The airports can opt out of using TSA and instead use private companies to do the screening. Examples: San Francisco (SFO), Rochester NY (ROC), Kansas City (MCI).




    Christian73 saidAnd, I know you love to parse words rather than engage in an honest debate, but I said they were built "with" federal dollars, but you know that I didn't mean exclusively. But, again, rather than admit it - like someone with principle would - you play silly word games. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Unlike liberals, I don't put my own interpretation on what others write. You wrote that airports were built with Federal dollars. That is incorrect.

    If you didn't mean it, you shouldn't have wrote it.



    It's just pathetic how you cannot engage in an honest debate. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 03, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    "It's just pathetic how you cannot engage in an honest debate"
    qft


    I really do think SB has a mental defect and has reading and cognitive difficulties That is why I have him on block. There is no point in reading his ravings or trying to engage in any reasonable discourse. If he does not, then he is just deliberately a troll, and again, there is no point. I don't like being at a party where someone keeps shitting in the punchbowl.
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    Jan 03, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    Blah! Blah! Blah! ... WHEN do we get to nuke Canada?????

    When they say "northern lights" I want them to mean the soft nuclear glow of the tundra!