2010 a "Liberal Reckoning"? - and yet Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are the most admired man and woman of 2010...

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    Jan 02, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_re_us/us_most_admired_3


    Our right-winger friends have wildly misinterpreted the 2010 election results, and are in for a lot of disappointment and heartache in the coming years
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    Jan 02, 2011 4:49 AM GMT
    Your latest confusion involves confusing personal feelings with policy opinions. The polls continue to show the US as a center right country, with conservatives at 41% and liberals at 20% (Galllup). The November election was a repudiation of the Democratic agenda. As the results continue to play out, hopefully the extreme Democrats and their therapists will come to deal with it.
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    Jan 02, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidYour latest confusion involves confusing personal feelings with policy opinions. The polls continue to show the US as a center right country, with conservatives at 41% and liberals at 20% (Galllup). The November election was a repudiation of the Democratic agenda. As the results continue to play out, hopefully the extreme Democrats and their therapists will come to deal with it.




    HAHAHA!
    You Repubs love to quote that poll in a desperate and pathetic attempt to SPIN people into thinking that 41% of the country is Repub and 20% are Dems.
    Which is completely BOGUS BS.
    There are roughly equal numbers of Dems and Repubs.
    The FACT is that a significant number of Independents and DEMOCRATS describe themselves as conservative.
    And close to ZERO Republicans describe themselves as liberal.
    So, the poll means NOTHING in terms of HOW PEOPLE VOTE.
    Which is the bottom line.
    As you will discover to your painful dismay come election 2012, and beyond.
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    Jan 02, 2011 5:51 AM GMT
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    HAHAHA!
    You Repubs love to quote that poll in a desperate and pathetic attempt to SPIN people into thinking that 41% of the country is Repub and 20% are Dems.
    Which is completely BOGUS BS.
    There are roughly equal numbers of Dems and Repubs.
    The FACT is that a significant number of Independents and DEMOCRATS describe themselves as conservative.
    And close to ZERO Republicans describe themselves as liberal.
    So, the poll means NOTHING in terms of HOW PEOPLE VOTE.
    Which is the bottom line.
    As you will discover to your painful dismay come election 2012, and beyond.


    While only three percent of Republicans describe themselves as liberal, 24 percent do describes themselves as moderate in this recent poll:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-conservatives-outnumber-moderates-liberals.aspx

    Which only bolsters the idea that a fairly significant number of Republicans (27 percent) are open to voting Democratic, as it seems a fair amount did in 2006 and 2008. And may again in 2012.
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    Jan 02, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    theatrengym said
    rickrick91 said

    HAHAHA!
    You Repubs love to quote that poll in a desperate and pathetic attempt to SPIN people into thinking that 41% of the country is Repub and 20% are Dems.
    Which is completely BOGUS BS.
    There are roughly equal numbers of Dems and Repubs.
    The FACT is that a significant number of Independents and DEMOCRATS describe themselves as conservative.
    And close to ZERO Republicans describe themselves as liberal.
    So, the poll means NOTHING in terms of HOW PEOPLE VOTE.
    Which is the bottom line.
    As you will discover to your painful dismay come election 2012, and beyond.


    While only three percent of Republicans describe themselves as liberal, 24 percent do describes themselves as moderate in this recent poll:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-conservatives-outnumber-moderates-liberals.aspx

    Which only bolsters the idea that a fairly significant number of Republicans (27 percent) are open to voting Democratic, as it seems a fair amount did in 2006 and 2008. And may again in 2012.

    Don't count on it. Republicans, including myself, would and have voted for Democratic candidates. In 2008, Democrats emphasized a moderate position, versus the Obama radical position. However, with the left-leaning stance of the current Democratic leadership, Republicans and a majority of independents will vote Republican.
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    Jan 02, 2011 6:46 AM GMT
    socalfitness said

    Don't count on it. Republicans, including myself, would and have voted for Democratic candidates. In 2008, Democrats emphasized a moderate position, versus the Obama radical position. However, with the left-leaning stance of the current Democratic leadership, Republicans and a majority of independents will vote Republican.


    I never understand the need to absolute statements that predict with certainty how people will vote in two years.

    Personally, I have no idea right now how people will vote in two years. And I don't think anyone does.

    Who would have predicted what happened in Congress in the weeks after the election? I'll admit that I wouldn't have predicted it.

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    Jan 02, 2011 6:50 AM GMT
    theatrengym said
    socalfitness said

    Don't count on it. Republicans, including myself, would and have voted for Democratic candidates. In 2008, Democrats emphasized a moderate position, versus the Obama radical position. However, with the left-leaning stance of the current Democratic leadership, Republicans and a majority of independents will vote Republican.


    I never understand the need to absolute statements that predict with certainty how people will vote in two years.

    Personally, I have no idea right now how people will vote in two years. And I don't think anyone does.

    Who would have predicted what happened in Congress in the weeks after the election? I'll admit that I wouldn't have predicted it.



    Again, I am glad I blocked socalfitness. His jibberish is just painful to read. "Obama radical position?" When was that? Before or after he extended tax cuts for millionaires and gave tax breaks to businesses?

    These people don't know how to take "yes" for an answer.
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    Jan 02, 2011 7:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidAgain, I am glad I blocked socalfitness. His jibberish is just painful to read. ...
    This is an example of what immaturity is. Another RJ member and I exposed his lies and extremely shallow thinking, so he blocked us. Fine, but he never misses an opportunity to say so. Just like a first grader putting his hands over his ears and standing up to make sure everyone can see his hands over his ears. This guy is a self-avowed socialist whose total knowledge comes from his experience in Brooklyn. Very shallow. Fortunately he doesn't see the threads I start so he doesn't add his socialist nonsense.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 02, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    This last Lame Duck explains what happened very well

    When it comes down to IT
    America in NO UNCERTAIN terms align themselves with liberal causes

    ** DADT Democrats for .... republicans against

    ** The 9/11 healthcare bill Democrats for ... republicans against

    ** The Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy For the most part democrats against .... republicans for

    Each of these things were overwhelmingly popular with America in general

    The same goes for the Financial Reform Act
    The healthcare bill ... when you ask people what they like it's extremely popular

    So don't give me that America has become "conservative" because it hasn't
    You had a very vocal ... BUT WRONG ... minority that took advantage of a recovering economy

    NOW... when they set to govern ... lol
    wait and see what they give America
    You wanted to see Deathpanels and cuts in services?
    Well .... here's your debut icon_cool.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 02, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    Awesome. I'm not surprised with the results of that poll. Glad you pointed it out.
    Thanks.
  • rnch

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    Jan 02, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said...
    *Yawn*

    Will you please make a New Year's resolution for 2011 that you will post your own, original thoughts..








    icon_eek.gif did SOUTHBEACH really post this??


    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


    how ironic that the "cut & paste queen" here wants someone ELSE to "post your own, original thoughts"....


    SB, try doing what you want OTHERS to do!! follow your OWN advice!!


    POT....KETTLE....BLACK......."


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    Jan 02, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidAgain, I am glad I blocked socalfitness. His jibberish is just painful to read. "Obama radical position?" When was that?


    "Radical" to most Americans.... not the liberal-socialist-communist crowd (of which you and many of the RJ membership are included in).



    Christian73 saidBefore or after he extended tax cuts for millionaires and gave tax breaks to businesses?


    And by "millionaires" you mean single gay men earning $200,000 per year. Dumb liberal math strikes again.


    As someone else pointed out above, most of what Obama has done is very popular with the majority of Americans. Even elements of HCR - end of preexisting conditions, preventative care - are popular with the majority of Republicans. And HCR was built upon Republicans ideas for reforming health insurance. So how is that "radical?"

  • GQjock

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    Jan 02, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    Will you please make a New Year's resolution for 2011 that you will post your own, original thoughts, and not the liberal talking points nonsense.

    Oh SB icon_cool.gif
    You should no better than to ask that Question from me

    LOL .....

    According to a CNN poll released Wednesday, 56% of Americans approve of President Obama's job performance during the lame duck session -- 14 points higher than the 42% approval rating for Congressional Republicans over the same period.
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/12/22/rel17e.pdf

    Same poll stated while the democrats in congress didn't do as well as Obama did they did better than the republicans

    Financial Reform
    Politicians Would Be Wise To Support Financial Reform

    The poll of 3,351 likely voters was conducted April 1-3. Two-thirds of all voters and 61% of independents want Congress to pass stronger regulations on financial institutions. Seventy percent overall and 75% of independents agreed that banks should not be allowed to be so big that their collapse threatens the rest of financial sector. About 6 in 10 of all voters and independents agree with each of these proposals: cracking down on pay packages that encourage excessive risks, a Consumer Financial Protection Agency separate from the Federal Reserve and a new tax on the largest financial institutions to recoup any bailout losses.
    http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/07/financial-reform-polls-health-care-opinions-columnists-john-zogby.html

    Healthcare
    Everybody likes what's in it .... a lot
    When you poll them on what's in it
    Not too keen on the mandate thing ....... but since you can't have junior on til he's 21 or get kicked off because you're sick
    without it
    ........ it ain't goin' nowhere
    http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2010/07/60-minutes-poll-201007?currentPage=10

    DADT
    Poll: 78 percent favor repealing 'Don't ask, don't tell'
    By Eric Zimmermann
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/99689-poll-78-percent-favor-repealing-dont-ask-dont-tell

    Anything else you wanna know ?

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  • GQjock

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    Jan 02, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    Not a trust in polls ......

    just as long as their not a FOX comedy station poll
    ........ because their so Believable LOL ..... Oh I do crack me up sometimes

    2700 pages ..... they don't know what's in it?
    The provision where they - meaning the insurance companies can't drop you because of a pre-existing condition?

    That one?

    Or the one that can allow your kids to remain on your insurance until they are 26

    Is that in there too?

    poll those two things and see where your repeal goes

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    Jan 02, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidYour latest confusion involves confusing personal feelings with policy opinions. The polls continue to show the US as a center right country, with conservatives at 41% and liberals at 20% (Galllup). The November election was a repudiation of the Democratic agenda. As the results continue to play out, hopefully the extreme Democrats and their therapists will come to deal with it.


    According to the far right evangelical conservatives leader Palin, the word you should have used is HERS "REFUDIATION" of the Democratic agenda. However, I'd say it wasn't a "REFUDIATION" but rather a pathetic show of what happens when the likes of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, False News, and several others of their ilk, actually accomplished lieing and covering up the truth, thereby influencing the elderly and poorly informed False News followers to vote against their own interests,

    The democratic agenda primarily helped the middle and lower income masses, much to the dismay of the Corps, Banking interests, and other Big money interests. Its so laughable that those who voted in this 'sweeping' change were bought and paid for by the same money interests who bought and paid for the Bush era, who had all the cards going their way then and were directly responsible for getting us in this mess.

    I've asked you before, do you actually believe with the above group of deceivers that the Dem agenda to have HealthCare/Education for all of its citizens is somehow, socialism and fascism ? I'd like to get an answer this time.
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    Jan 02, 2011 10:55 PM GMT
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    theatrengym saidI never understand the need to absolute statements that predict with certainty how people will vote in two years.


    Do you have RickRick on Ignore? Because you are responding to socal when RickRick has stated the same thing:

    rickrick91 saidSo, the poll means NOTHING in terms of HOW PEOPLE VOTE.
    Which is the bottom line.
    As you will discover to your painful dismay come election 2012, and beyond.


    Oh wait... RickRick is on "your team" so I guess he gets a pass.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    If rickrick thinks that the poll he cited in the beginning says anything definitive about the election results in 2012, then, yes, my statement applies to his post as well. I took his post as being a less definitive type of statement than socal's, but you make a good point, SB.
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    Jan 03, 2011 12:07 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidDon't count on it. Republicans, including myself, would and have voted for Democratic candidates. In 2008, Democrats emphasized a moderate position, versus the Obama radical position. However, with the left-leaning stance of the current Democratic leadership, Republicans and a majority of independents will vote Republican.

    I never understand the need to absolute statements that predict with certainty how people will vote in two years.

    Personally, I have no idea right now how people will vote in two years. And I don't think anyone does.

    Who would have predicted what happened in Congress in the weeks after the election? I'll admit that I wouldn't have predicted it.

    Your comment is valid. It was careless for me to omit "I predict", or "I believe", or "I am quite certain". It should be clear though that comments regarding the future are generally predictive. If you were to ask about my confidence in the prediction, I would state it is based on my reading of the electorate and trends, barring unforeseen circumstances, which might also be implied.

    I do try when offering opinions to state such, using "IMO" or a similar term, especially because of the general defensiveness and sensitive feelings here, not referring to you at all though.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 03, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    As someone who is not affluent, you are going to be negatively impacted far more than I am by Obamacare. You deserve it.

    lol ..... and Best Wishes for the Happy New Year to You Too

    and btw .....? So's you know
    I'm not hurtin' in any way shape or form

    and I'll be JUST fine icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 03, 2011 11:35 PM GMT
    I agree with the OP.

    The 112th Congress will be total gridlock.
    The voters will be pissed off, and will be ready to clean house again, in 2012.
    Unless the Republicans nominate a damn good candidate, Obama will be reelected.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    GQjock saidAs someone who is not affluent, you are going to be negatively impacted far more than I am by Obamacare. You deserve it.

    lol ..... and Best Wishes for the Happy New Year to You Too

    and btw .....? So's you know
    I'm not hurtin' in any way shape or form

    and I'll be JUST fine icon_cool.gif


    Hah! I guess SB has no idea what you do for a living.

    Trust him, SB, he'll be fine in either event, but he's likely going to be effected by the evil, communist tax hikes on "gay men making more than $200,000 a year." He might just think that what's good for the country and it's populace might be good for him over the long term.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said

    Trust him, SB, he'll be fine in either event, but he's likely going to be effected by the evil, communist tax hikes on "gay men making more than $200,000 a year." He might just think that what's good for the country and it's populace might be good for him over the long term.


    Forking over more money to the Federal government is absolutely not "good for the country."



    Says you. And, yet when marginal tax rates for individuals and corporations are higher, the economy does great.

    And given that our tax rates are currently lower than any time since the Gilded Age, your entire premise is ridiculous.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    Says you. And, yet when marginal tax rates for individuals and corporations are higher, the economy does great.

    And given that our tax rates are currently lower than any time since the Gilded Age, your entire premise is ridiculous....


    ... in the eyes of a socialist like yourself. icon_wink.gif


    SB - The facts are not debatable. It's not a question of perception but one of historical fact.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    I see the resident fuckwit is still playing the "I Make More Money Than You!" game.

    Geez, snidebitch...that NEVER gets old!


    (And yes...I'd compare incomes with you in a heartbeat, but you can't be trusted to tell the truth concerning yours.)
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    OtterJoq saidI see the resident fuckwit is still playing the "I Make More Money Than You!" game.

    Geez, snidebitch...that NEVER gets old!


    (And yes...I'd compare incomes with you in a heartbeat, but you can't be trusted to tell the truth concerning yours.)


    What's hilarious is that I know a lot of the guys on here from Facebook and exchanged emails. Most of the liberals are quite affluent, hardworking guys, who have made their own way, and - yet - they support "redistribution of wealth" and other crazy communist schemes.

    SB and a few others cannot accept the fact that we believe in giving other Americans a hand up and taking care of each other during tough times, so they assume (wrongly in most cases) that we're all on the dole.
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    Jan 04, 2011 2:30 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    SB and a few others cannot accept the fact that we believe in giving other Americans a hand up and taking care of each other during tough times, so they assume (wrongly in most cases) that we're all on the dole.


    Fine, that's your decision to give them a hand... so do it with your money, not mine.

    And I don't assume all of you socialists / communists / liberals are on the dole. The ones that aren't - and who support this nutty wealth redistribution notion - are just nitwits. icon_lol.gif


    Why are those who wish to pay their fair share in order to help the country that made their good fortune possible "nitwits?"