Coptic church bombing in Egypt is latest assault on Mideast Christians

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    The New Year's blast kills 21 and sparks clashes between police and Copts. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak accuses foreign elements of involvement in the terrorist attack, which drew condemnation across the Middle East.

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    January 01, 2011 | By Borzou Daragahi and Amro Hassan, Los Angeles Times

    Reporting from Beirut and Cairo — A devastating New Year's Day terrorist bombing at a Coptic church in Egypt that killed 21 people was the latest in a spate of violent assaults against the Middle East's vulnerable Christian communities.

    The car bomb explosion also injured 79 people just after midnight Saturday as worshipers were leaving a New Year's Mass at the Saints Church in east Alexandria, Egyptian officials said. The bombing sparked street clashes between police and angry Copts, who hurled stones, stormed a nearby mosque and threw some of its books into the street.

    Security forces cordoned off the area and used tear gas to disperse the crowd. A witness told the state-run newspaper Al Ahram that a priest calmed the Copts and urged them to stay inside the church.

    The attack was among the deadliest on Egyptian Christians in recent memory and the worst terrorist incident in the country since 2006, and followed similar assaults this week in Iraq.

    All but eight of the injured and all of the fatalities in Alexandria were Christians, according to Egypt's Ministry of Health. No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack, which was being described as a suicide bombing. The explosion, which appeared designed to inflict maximum civilian casualties, bore the hallmark of Al Qaeda militants.

    Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak accused unnamed foreign elements of being behind the attack.

    "This act of terrorism shook the country's conscience, shocked our feelings and hurt the hearts of Muslim and Coptic Egyptians," he said in an emergency address to the nation. "The blood of their martyrs in the land of Alexandria mixed to tell us all that all Egypt is the target and that blind terrorism does not differentiate between a Copt and a Muslim."

    The attack in the ancient Mediterranean coastal city was the latest in a wave of violence against once-resilient Christian communities in the Muslim world, some of which date back to antiquity.

    Christmas Eve assaults by Muslim extremists killed dozens of Christians in the Nigerian cities of Jos and Maiduguri. And Iraq's Christians have endured a relentless campaign of attacks and intimidation by the local branch of Al Qaeda.
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    Jan 02, 2011 7:51 PM GMT
    Copts are one of the (if not the) oldest Christian communities in the world:

    http://www.coptic.net/EncyclopediaCoptica
    The Coptic Church is based on the teachings of Saint Mark who brought Christianity to Egypt during the reign of the Roman emperor Nero in the first century.

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    Jan 02, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    Pouncer saidAn attack by "foreign terrorists" (believed to be Muslim) "sparks clashes between" Egyptian police and Egyptian Christians??

    But let's not focus on any false sympathy emanating from Husni Mobarak - Egypt's geriatric tyrant and despot. He likely still hasn't gotten over the 90% landslide he won (for the 497th time) in the Egyptian elections last year.

    Maybe when his dauphin son takes over later this year the circumstances might be propitious for a popular overthrow of some kind.


    Pouncer, are there known groups who will benefit from creating tensions between Christians and Muslims ? Have this group of Christians spoken out against Mobarak ?
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    Pouncer saidnot as an expression of solidarity or outrage on behalf of the victims, but rather in the service of a "higher cause"

    You doth project too much.

    Indeed, we see who already brought here their own polical agenda.
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    Jan 03, 2011 5:11 AM GMT
    It seems then that there very well be a big story behind the story. Of course our media here in the US is owned and influenced by factions that won't want the truth coming out if Mossad was involved. Is there any media that can be trusted with news coming out of that part of the world ? I don't trust anything coming from the Official Israeli News, Look how they covered up the Israeli attack on the supply ships on peacefull mission heading for the Gaza Strip. Several world organizations investigating came out with strong evidence against the Israeli's, yet our media over here dropped the subject like a hot potato. So whose out there to tell the true story ?
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    Jan 03, 2011 5:36 AM GMT
    The spam propaganda assault by the usual suspects begins.

    sxydrkhair> The Jews of Iraq by Naeim Giladi

    Why should we listen to this one person rather than the other 120,000 who got out of Dodge while they could and are happy they did?

    It is unfortunate that the ilk of sxydrkhair confuse exceptions as the rule and spew it as propaganda.
    In the best case they are stupid. In the worst case they hope you, the reader, is stupid enough to fall for these lies-for-the-cause.
    They are like homophobes who parade "cured homosexuals" as purveyors of the truth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Jews#Modern_Iraq_.281918_to_the_present.29
    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2010/06/iraqi-jews-memoirs-shake-up-arab.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands
    The Jewish exodus from Iraq, 1948-1951
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    Jan 03, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    pouncer> this thread - titled the way it is; authored by who it is - has a propagandistic ring all its own. Under another's penmanship maybe not.

    I suggest you send your complaints to the LA Times and Borzou Daragahi and Amro Hassan who write the article.


    pouncer> created by you - and I think we already know its intent.

    And what is that intent?


    pouncer> I was just showing you the same contemptuous treatment you delight in meting out to others. Instead of assuming good faith in your intentions, I'm accusing you of displaying faux sympathy for these Christian victims.

    As usual, you fail.
    There is no equivalent hypocrisy on my part to yours.


    sxydrkhair> Israel was behind this. Mossad....

    Just as it was behind 9/11 and every backed up sewer in Damascus.


    sxydrkhair> Christians were living way better under Saddam

    http://www.christiansofiraq.com
    During Saddam's wars with the Kurds hundreds of Assyrian villages were destroyed their inhabitants were rendered homeless, driven out of their historic homeland, and scattered as refugees in large cities or the neighboring countries. dozens of ancient churches some dating to the early centuries of Christianity were bombed and turned into rubble. The teaching of the Syriac language was prohibited and Assyrians were forced to give their children Arabic names in an effort to undermine their true identity. Those who wished to hold governmental jobs had to sign ethnicity correction papers which declared them arabs.

    What makes things worse for Christians in Iraq now?
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    [quote][cite]Caesarea4 said[/cite]pouncer> this thread - titled the way it is; authored by who it is - has a propagandistic ring all its own. Under another's penmanship maybe not.

    I suggest you send your complaints to the LA Times and Borzou Daragahi and Amro Hassan who write the article.


    pouncer> created by you - and I think we already know its intent.

    And what is that intent?


    pouncer> I was just showing you the same contemptuous treatment you delight in meting out to others. Instead of assuming good faith in your intentions, I'm accusing you of displaying faux sympathy for these Christian victims.

    As usual, you fail.
    There is no equivalent hypocrisy on my part to yours.


    sxydrkhair> Israel was behind this. Mossad....

    Just as it was behind 9/11 and every backed up sewer in Damascus.


    sxydrkhair> Christians were living way better under Saddam

    http://www.christiansofiraq.com
    During Saddam's wars with the Kurds hundreds of Assyrian villages were destroyed their inhabitants were rendered homeless, driven out of their historic homeland, and scattered as refugees in large cities or the neighboring countries. dozens of ancient churches some dating to the early centuries of Christianity were bombed and turned into rubble. The teaching of the Syriac language was prohibited and Assyrians were forced to give their children Arabic names in an effort to undermine their true identity. Those who wished to hold governmental jobs had to sign ethnicity correction papers which declared them arabs.


    What makes things worse for Christians in Iraq now?
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    I'll ask again !!! Tell us what your relationship to Zionism is ? Do you get paid to fill pages with Zionist Propaganda ? Your OBNOXIOUS!!!! just thought you needed another reminder because you don't seem to get that.
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    Jan 03, 2011 5:55 AM GMT
    I wouldn't single out the Christians considering the quotidian amount of Muslim Mosques that get bombed by other Muslims year round. Although having second thought, it is different when an out-group attacks an in-group as opposed to different factions of the same in-group attacking each other.
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    Caesarea4 saidThe spam propaganda assault by the usual suspects begins.

    sxydrkhair> The Jews of Iraq by Naeim Giladi

    Why should we listen to this one person rather than the other 120,000 who got out of Dodge while they could and are happy they did?

    It is unfortunate that the ilk of sxydrkhair confuse exceptions as the rule and spew it as propaganda.
    In the best case they are stupid. In the worst case they hope you, the reader, is stupid enough to fall for these lies-for-the-cause.
    They are like homophobes who parade "cured homosexuals" as purveyors of the truth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Jews#Modern_Iraq_.281918_to_the_present.29
    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2010/06/iraqi-jews-memoirs-shake-up-arab.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands
    The Jewish exodus from Iraq, 1948-1951


    Jews from the Arab countries were treated shit by the ZioNazi government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panthers_(Israel)
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    sxydrkhair> Christians were living way better under Saddam

    http://www.christiansofiraq.com
    During Saddam's wars with the Kurds hundreds of Assyrian villages were destroyed their inhabitants were rendered homeless, driven out of their historic homeland, and scattered as refugees in large cities or the neighboring countries. dozens of ancient churches some dating to the early centuries of Christianity were bombed and turned into rubble. The teaching of the Syriac language was prohibited and Assyrians were forced to give their children Arabic names in an effort to undermine their true identity. Those who wished to hold governmental jobs had to sign ethnicity correction papers which declared them arabs.

    sxydrkhair> I used to think Saddam was a bad man, but he wasn't.

    Step away from the kool-aid!


    What makes things worse for Christians in Iraq now?

    sxydrkhair> Saddam kept everyone from fighting

    Like in Yugoslavia, where Tito kept everyone from fighting... and after his death the country went to pieces?

    In an odd way, the problem now is that Iraqis today have the freedom to fight against each other.
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Odd, Jews who were expelled or fled from Arab countries are amongst the most nationalist Israelis.
    This is the usual off-topic spam propaganda smear tactic by the usual suspects.


    What makes things worse for Christians in Iraq now?

    pouncer> maybe the fact that half of them have fled?

    When did they start fleeing?


    p> their churches are being blown up and attacked? Or that they're being abducted and murdered (priests and bishops included)? Or that they're being forced to convert to Islam? Or that their women are being ordered to wear Islamic dress against their will?

    Do you agree with sxydrkhair that this is the doing of (or at the behest of) Israel/Mossad?!
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    p> their churches are being blown up and attacked? Or that they're being abducted and murdered (priests and bishops included)? Or that they're being forced to convert to Islam? Or that their women are being ordered to wear Islamic dress against their will?

    Do you agree with sxydrkhair that this is the doing of (or at the behest of) Israel/Mossad?!

    p> I don't know of any Mossad connection.

    Because, of course, there is no connection.

    Why are Muslims killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria?


    When did Christians start fleeing Iraq?

    pouncer> It doesn't matter

    Why wouldn't that matter?

    Your argument is that things got WORSE after 2003.
    That implies that things weren't good before, either.


    I fear that as usual you (like the one-dimensional sxydrkhair & ianct) have lost focus of the topic.
    This discussion is not about Iraq per se let alone US involvement in Iraq.
    Hopefully now you understand why the LA times ran their headline as:
    Coptic church bombing in Egypt is latest assault on Mideast Christians.


    p> It is fair to say that Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt

    Why is that?

    If Hosni Mubarak (your "geriatric tyrant and despot") were assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood (as was Sadat, his predecessor), indeed were there a revolution or coup like in Gaza, would the fate of Christians in Egypt improve or get even worse?
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    Caesarea4 saidp> their churches are being blown up and attacked? Or that they're being abducted and murdered (priests and bishops included)? Or that they're being forced to convert to Islam? Or that their women are being ordered to wear Islamic dress against their will?

    Do you agree with sxydrkhair that this is the doing of (or at the behest of) Israel/Mossad?!

    p> I don't know of any Mossad connection.

    Because, of course, there is no connection.

    Why are Muslims killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria?


    When did Christians start fleeing Iraq?

    pouncer> It doesn't matter

    Why wouldn't that matter?

    Your argument is that things got WORSE after 2003.
    That implies that things weren't good before, either.


    I fear that as usual you (like the one-dimensional sxydrkhair & ianct) have lost focus of the topic.
    This discussion is not about Iraq per se let alone US involvement in Iraq.
    Hopefully now you understand why the LA times ran their headline as:
    Coptic church bombing in Egypt is latest assault on Mideast Christians.


    p> It is fair to say that Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt

    Why is that?

    If Hosni Mubarak (your "geriatric tyrant and despot") were assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood (as was Sadat, his predecessor), indeed were there a revolution or coup like in Gaza, would the fate of Christians in Egypt improve or get even worse?



    What again is your relationship to ZIONISTS ?? Are you afraid to answer ? Its really a relavent question because it appears to me that your credibility is in Question. So lets have some answers
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    pouncer> their churches are being blown up and attacked? Or that they're being abducted and murdered (priests and bishops included)? Or that they're being forced to convert to Islam? Or that their women are being ordered to wear Islamic dress against their will?

    Why are Muslims killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria?

    p> Muslims kill Christians in Egypt due to religious sectarianism and bigotry. In Iraq everybody's killing everybody, but it's mainly Muslim-on-Muslim.

    That it is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.
    That's like denying that the nazis were Anti-semites because WW II was mostly European-on-European violence.
    (In the European theater, or we could add Asian-on-Asian.)


    When did Christians start fleeing Iraq?
    Your argument is that things got WORSE after 2003.
    That implies that things weren't good before, either.


    p> Things got worse for everyone after 2003. Calling the state of affairs "good" with Saddam Hussein in power would be a travesty of the truth. But bad as he was, unfortunately America and Britain learned the hard way that there was much worse seeking to take his place.

    (How odd, or perhaps just unprincipled, that you don't take issue with sxydrkhair who just told us that Saddam wasn't that bad.)

    Things were bad for Christians prior to 2003 and the Christian exodus began decades earlier.


    p> It is fair to say that Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt

    C4> Why is that?

    p> I think the radicalization of part of the Muslim contingency is probably the chief catalyst to hostilities in this particular area. But Egypt has had this extremist minority in its midst for a long time.

    What is the size of this minority?

    According to Pew, 20% (2010) of Egypt's Muslims (down from 28% in 2006) believe that "suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified to defend Islam from its enemies". (Similar figures, 19% and 27%, for confidence in Osama bin Laden.)


    If Hosni Mubarak (your "geriatric tyrant and despot") were assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood (as was Sadat, his predecessor), indeed were there a revolution or coup like in Gaza, would the fate of Christians in Egypt improve or get even worse?

    p> if the Muslim Brotherhood get in then they get in. (Not that this would be a good thing - Mubarak's actually more likely going to be overthrown by either the left or by the right, and you better pray it's not by the right because if it is it'll be by the Islamists and they'll get a nuclear bomb).

    Given that Mubarak's party received more than 80% of the vote in the last election, it doesn't sound like you conclude Mubarak will be overthrown at the polls.

    How do you distinguish the Muslim Brotherhood from the "right"/Islamists?
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    Caesarea4 saidpouncer> their churches are being blown up and attacked? Or that they're being abducted and murdered (priests and bishops included)? Or that they're being forced to convert to Islam? Or that their women are being ordered to wear Islamic dress against their will?

    Why are Muslims killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria?

    p> Muslims kill Christians in Egypt due to religious sectarianism and bigotry. In Iraq everybody's killing everybody, but it's mainly Muslim-on-Muslim.

    That it is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.
    That's like denying that the nazis were Anti-semites because WW II was mostly European-on-European violence.
    (In the European theater, or we could add Asian-on-Asian.)


    When did Christians start fleeing Iraq?

    (How odd, or perhaps just unprincipled, that you don't take issue with sxydrkhair who just told us that Saddam wasn't that bad.)

    C4> Why is that?



    What is the size of this minority?


    How do you distinguish the Muslim Brotherhood from the "right"/Islamists?



    Oh here we go again with more of C4, the ZIONIST great asker of questions and giver of ZIONIST PROPAGANDA answers, !! So why don't you C4 answer some questions about your relationship to ZIONISM, are you some plant? Do you get paid for this Propaganda you bore us with ? Why do you live here in the US and not out on some Settlement that your kind took from a Palestinian family ?? Are you afraid to answer these Questions ?
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    pouncer> What I address to Samer is not your business. These posts are addressed, primarily, to you.

    Once again we see the unprincipled duplicity and hypocrisy.

    Above we have yet another display of someone suffering Israel on the brain.
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    Jan 06, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Is it also the source of your unprincipled duplicity and hypocrisy?
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    Jan 06, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    Pouncer saidIsrael is never far from the RJ server when you're online C4. That's the fons et origo.



    Well said Pouncer !! not sure about those last 3 words but I'll bet it was good, Why don't we all get to the bottom of C4's connection to Zionists, does he belong to some fanatic sect or something? We should all ask him the same questions perhaps, because trying to reason with this particular ZIONIST FANATIC IS POINTLESS, he'd say god is behind His ZIONIST fanatic opinions, even if he were sitting on the devils lap, with his laptop keying in his bullshit to this RJ site.


    Do you, Sxydrkhair or anyone else on here, know of one instance where C4 has made an admission that his ZIONIST pals in Israel have done wrong toward the Palestinians ? Do you or anyone know of one time where he said he could be wrong about something ? I doubt it !!!! C4 is nothing more than a totally OBNOXIOUS ZIONIST FANATIC who claims to be always right, hell !!! perhaps he's the jesus the Jews are still waiting for if he's so right. His ZIONIST god must like putting up walls to cage in Palestinians and taking Palestinian lands.

    Note that he only comes on to these topics to respond to two or three of you well informed backers of Palestinian rights, but you get nothing in return, but, that he is the ZIONIST know it all and the end of all conversation is with his FANATIC ZIONIST opinions.
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    Jan 06, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    Is the US press covering this aspect of the OP?

    There were more figures, pictures, etc. in the German news media than what this South African outlet is writing.

    http://www.ewn.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=56159

    Muslims show solidarity with Coptic Christians
    Eyewitness News | 2 Days Ago

    There has been an outpouring of Muslim support for Coptic Christians in Egypt.

    Up to 21 people were killed and almost 100 wounded after a bomb exploded outside a Christian church in Alexandria following mass.

    The bombing sparked protests involving Christians, (who compromise about 10 percent of Egypt’s population), who pelted rocks at both riot police and Muslims.

    Journalist André Bossone, who is based in the Middle East, said many Muslims are showing support for their Christian countrymen and women.

    “The rallies that are going on in Egypt are not just by Coptic Christians but also by Muslims. All over Facebook people are writing on their walls in favour of reconciliation. People are changing their profile pictures to show a Christian cross and a Muslim star,” he said.

    He went on to say, “Even on the orthodox Christmas, which is 7 January, many Muslims are going to go to churches to provide protection and to show their support.”
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    I know it's hard for the anti-Israel spam propagandists to ever discuss a topic in its place, but back to the topic:

    That the violence is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.

    p> True as an anecdote but ultimately irrelevant. The Sunni/Shia divide, the Arab/Kurd divide

    To the contrary, it's very relevant. You might as well claim that most violence isn't gay-bashing but along other divides.
    That the Bloods and the Crips mostly fight each other doesn't negate that both engage in gay-bashing.


    Note further how pouncer has done a complete 180 from his original comments:

    p> Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt
    ...check out the NYT story below - which postulates a possible sectarian motive


    Andreas73> "many Muslims are showing support for their Christian countrymen and women."

    It is great that some Muslims in Egypt have rallied in support of their Christian neighbors.
    (Estimates of attendance at rallies is measured in hundreds).
    There is nothing new in this.
    But it doesn't undo decades and centuries of discrimination.
    Or the right-wing Islamists (not to mention "the Islamists") which pouncer mentioned just a few hours ago.

    See also:

    http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=23639

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/4/2977/Opinion/J%E2%80%99accuse.aspx


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    Caesarea4 saidI know it's hard for the anti-Israel spam propagandists to ever discuss a topic in its place, but back to the topic:

    That the violence is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.

    p> True as an anecdote but ultimately irrelevant. The Sunni/Shia divide, the Arab/Kurd divide

    To the contrary, it's very relevant. You might as well claim that most violence isn't gay-bashing but along other divides.
    That the Bloods and the Crips mostly fight each other doesn't negate that both engage in gay-bashing.


    Note further how pouncer has done a complete 180 from his original comments:

    p> Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt
    ...check out the NYT story below - which postulates a possible sectarian motive


    Andreas73> "many Muslims are showing support for their Christian countrymen and women."

    It is great that some Muslims in Egypt have rallied in support of their Christian neighbors.
    (Estimates of attendance at rallies is measured in hundreds).
    There is nothing new in this.
    But it doesn't undo decades and centuries of discrimination.
    Or the right-wing Islamists (not to mention "the Islamists") which pouncer mentioned just a few hours ago.

    See also:

    http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=23639

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/4/2977/Opinion/J%E2%80%99accuse.aspx





    So All knowing ZIONIST PROPAGANDIST, where do you fit in the ZIONIST SCEEM OF THINGS ?? Some sect or something ?? Do you get paid to try to make people think your ZIONISTS are always right ? Are you afraid to answer the questions ? Your OBNOXIOUS and an embarassment to your cause, a FANATIC, When will you have the courage to answer questions you've been asked ??
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    Pouncer saidFons et origo - "the problem to begin with"; or, if you're Catholic, the "Original Sin".

    Both are certainly relevant here.

    Andreas73Is the US press covering this aspect of the OP?

    There were more figures, pictures, etc. in the German news media than what this South African outlet is writing.

    http://www.ewn.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=56159

    Muslims show solidarity with Coptic Christians
    Eyewitness News | 2 Days Ago

    There has been an outpouring of Muslim support for Coptic Christians in Egypt.

    Up to 21 people were killed and almost 100 wounded after a bomb exploded outside a Christian church in Alexandria following mass.

    The bombing sparked protests involving Christians, (who compromise about 10 percent of Egypt’s population), who pelted rocks at both riot police and Muslims.

    Journalist André Bossone, who is based in the Middle East, said many Muslims are showing support for their Christian countrymen and women.

    “The rallies that are going on in Egypt are not just by Coptic Christians but also by Muslims. All over Facebook people are writing on their walls in favour of reconciliation. People are changing their profile pictures to show a Christian cross and a Muslim star,” he said.

    He went on to say, “Even on the orthodox Christmas, which is 7 January, many Muslims are going to go to churches to provide protection and to show their support.”


    Now that you've trounced C4's proffered exception by offering the rule, do you really think your anti-Semitic motives for this post are lost on the rest of us??


    WTF??? I was simply trying to stay on topic (Coptic Christians murdered in Egypt) and show that not all Muslims are evil. Methinks you overthought the whole thing. BTW, perhaps you should try writing for the Onion. In a way your writing is so over the top, it's actually somewhat funny.
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    Jan 07, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    As usual, pouncer has spun himself dizzy arguing from conflicting premises:

    p> Muslims kill Christians in Egypt due to religious sectarianism and bigotry. In Iraq everybody's killing everybody, but it's mainly Muslim-on-Muslim.

    That the violence is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.

    p> True as an anecdote but ultimately irrelevant. The Sunni/Shia divide, the Arab/Kurd divide

    C4> To the contrary, it's very relevant. You might as well claim that most violence isn't gay-bashing but along other divides.
    That the Bloods and the Crips mostly fight each other doesn't negate that both engage in gay-bashing.

    p> Not a question of "most"

    How is my "most" different from your original "mainly"?!
    Which after all was your initial point! You've done another 180!


    p> Christian vs. Muslim violence in Iraq from 1968-2003 is comparatively small beer when contrasted to the immeasurably more ingrained enmities between Muslims and between other ideologies

    These enmities are all just as "ingrained" and the fact remains that the Christians have no refuge and flee - unlike Muslim sects or followers of other ideologies.


    Anyhow, we were talking about Egypt, where you initially stated:

    p> Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt
    ...check out the NYT story below - which postulates a possible sectarian motive

    Muslims of different sects do not suffer that same "oppression and discrimination" - and this was and is true in Iraq.

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    Caesarea4 saidAs usual, pouncer has spun himself dizzy arguing from conflicting premises:

    p> Muslims kill Christians in Egypt due to religious sectarianism and bigotry. In Iraq everybody's killing everybody, but it's mainly Muslim-on-Muslim.

    That the violence is mainly Muslim-on-Muslim is due to 97% of the population being Muslim.

    p> True as an anecdote but ultimately irrelevant. The Sunni/Shia divide, the Arab/Kurd divide

    C4> To the contrary, it's very relevant. You might as well claim that most violence isn't gay-bashing but along other divides.
    That the Bloods and the Crips mostly fight each other doesn't negate that both engage in gay-bashing.

    p> Not a question of "most"

    How is my "most" different from your original "mainly"?!
    Which after all was your initial point! You've done another 180!


    p> Christian vs. Muslim violence in Iraq from 1968-2003 is comparatively small beer when contrasted to the immeasurably more ingrained enmities between Muslims and between other ideologies

    These enmities are all just as "ingrained" and the fact remains that the Christians have no refuge and flee - unlike Muslim sects or followers of other ideologies.


    Anyhow, we were talking about Egypt, where you initially stated:

    p> Christians suffer oppression and discrimination in Egypt
    ...check out the NYT story below - which postulates a possible sectarian motive

    Muslims of different sects do not suffer that same "oppression and discrimination" - and this was and is true in Iraq.



    Well Well !!! if it isn't the all knowing C4 ZIONIST know it all, here to correct anyone who steps out of his own line of thinking. Now tell us, about your ZIONIST dreams of SUPERIORITY where your always right, Is it some ZIONIST sect you belong to that makes you so right ? You should settle in the West Bank and teach those Palestinians about why their property belongs to you rather than them, see if your more convincing with them than you are here. So when you going to answer some of these questions ??