Republican National Committee Michael Steele Supports Hate Groups, Bigotry, & Discrimination

  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    Republican National Committee Michael Steele Supports Hate Groups, Bigotry, & Discrimination

    http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/rnc-chairman-kisses-noms-backside/
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    Jan 03, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    You ought to be ashamed of yourself posting and including in your thread headline terms such as hate. That was subjectively used in your sleazy reference associating a position of marriage between a man and woman as hate. You really stooped low with this one.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou ought to be ashamed of yourself posting and including in your thread headline terms such as hate. That was subjectively used in your sleazy reference associating a position of marriage between a man and woman as hate. You really stooped low with this one.


    Well it sure as fuck ain't love.

    Spare us the faux outrage, please.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    OtterJoq said
    socalfitness saidYou ought to be ashamed of yourself posting and including in your thread headline terms such as hate. That was subjectively used in your sleazy reference associating a position of marriage between a man and woman as hate. You really stooped low with this one.


    Well it sure as fuck ain't love.

    Spare us the faux outrage, please.


    That's our Socal. Carrying the water for hate groups. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
    I bet he's racist too! lolz.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:39 AM GMT
    Christopher Robin wants his togs back.
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    Jan 04, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou ought to be ashamed of yourself posting and including in your thread headline terms such as hate. That was subjectively used in your sleazy reference associating a position of marriage between a man and woman as hate. You really stooped low with this one.


    BTW...you're Republican; what would you know about shame?
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    Jan 04, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI bet he's racist too! lolz.
    The libs are so anxious to demonize the Republicans, they will label the position supporting only traditional marriage as hate. While that position is not gay friendly, to call it hate diminishes the effectiveness of labeling something truly hateful as hate because the term has been bandied about. Something they just don't understand.
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    Jan 04, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
    Actually the term "hate group" is defined as an organization that spreads harmful lies, falsehoods, untruths, ( whatever you want to call them), propaganda, false science, and partial facts or distortions in pursuit of their goals to denigrate, discriminate, diminish, and deny minority groups (such as GLBT+ among others) equality, rights, protections, and standing.

    You (socal) seem to want to dilute the word "hate" because it seems you don't see the actions and speech of these groups as hate or perhaps even hateful. But they are. And the organizations are labeled and called out for it.

    The "position" of traditional marriage (and that term has been shown to often have been much other than one man/one woman - if you've read lots of comments and responses in court testimonies, in blog comments citing many instances of situations that don't/didn't adhere to that simple one man/one woman description) may not itself be hate perhaps, but it doesn't stop there. There are actions those who advocate ONLY one man/one woman unions take to deny and exclude and vilify those who do want to join their loved one of the same gender in the same relationship their straight counterparts enjoy. Those actions and articles and campaigns are indeed hateful in tone, language, and results. And those "hate groups" deserve to be labeled and shown as such for their platforms, their actions, their harms.

    Would that they were always announced on talk shows or in those two-minute "interviews" or "debates" of sound bytes on TV news programs with the preface "which has been labeled a hate group".
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    If it is not hate, as Socal claims, what do these people say about equal-but-civil-unions for gay people. There seems to be a silence around that , Socal.

    ...so, what do those individuals (such as those UpperCanadian referenced) say about that?

    -Doug


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    Jan 04, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    Menergy_1 - with all due respect, I think your definition over dilutes the definition of a hate group.

    Here is a definition that I think is logical:

    A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hate or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate

    Definition of HATE
    1
    a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
    b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing
    2
    : an object of hatred

    I don't deny that being in favor of only traditional marriage could lead to extreme actions. But by itself, I don't see that believing marriage should be between a man and woman can be labeled as hateful.

    Regarding the issue of civil unions, I don't know what they say. I'm not saying they are gay friendly, but taking issue with the use of hate. If it becomes used as much as racist is used, it will come to mean nothing.
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    But the definition of hate is the whole point, not tangential.
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:31 AM GMT
    And I think organizations like NOM, FRC, AFA, and others (maybe even some Republicans) personify your dictionary definitions of hate:

    a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
    b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing

    and cloak the hate of GLBT (yes, it really is hate/hostility/aversion) in fierce and heavily funded battles to deny equal rights by deflecting the obvious hatred through using other arguments about faith, tradition, procreation, untrue anxiety about "the children" in the midst of same gender parents, and even specious claims about societal economic benefits from "straight marriage only", etc.

    There wouldn't be any argument from them if there were only straight folks getting married. So, their goal is to exclude GLBT from having that option and the rights, privileges, responsibilities and benefits that derive from secular marriage. And their actions to ensure their goals are hateful and harmful, literally.

    Further, there really isn't any sustainable argument to be made about denying part of the population the same rights the other part(s) enjoy -- and especially if some of those who have achieved legal marriage status are then denied that status by having it taken away through maneuvered reversal of legislation. That's unconstitutional in this country.
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    UpperCanadian said
    socalfitness saidBut the definition of hate is the whole point, not tangential.


    "hate" is not the same as "hate group."




    Well said and spot on.

    And, socal knows the difference.
    He's just playing a BS partisan-motivated game of trying to shame others into silence in order to try to protect the Republican party from being held accountable for it's anti-gay agenda.
    Even though he himself is shameless and will say anything.
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    Jan 04, 2011 3:56 AM GMT
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    UpperCanadian said
    socalfitness saidBut the definition of hate is the whole point, not tangential.


    "hate" is not the same as "hate group."


    Well said and spot on.

    And, socal knows the difference.
    He's just playing a BS partisan-motivated game of trying to shame others into silence in order to try to protect the Republican party from being held accountable for it's anti-gay agenda.
    Even though he himself is shameless and will say anything.

    Hate group is a group that practices hate.
    Typical for RickRick to make it personal with the "shameless" comment. Reflects his inability to see other points of view.
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    Jan 04, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    UpperCanadian said
    socalfitness saidBut the definition of hate is the whole point, not tangential.


    "hate" is not the same as "hate group."


    Well said and spot on.

    And, socal knows the difference.
    He's just playing a BS partisan-motivated game of trying to shame others into silence in order to try to protect the Republican party from being held accountable for it's anti-gay agenda.
    Even though he himself is shameless and will say anything.

    Hate group is a group that practices hate.
    Typical for RickRick to make it personal with the "shameless" comment. Reflects his inability to see other points of view.




    HAHAHAHA!
    You're too funny.

    You whine about me calling you shameless, and you call it a "personal attack" - and then you personally attack me for supposedly not being able to "see other points of view".
    SO hypocritical.
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2011 8:31 AM GMT

    Majority of RNC against Michael Steele

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46956.html

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    Jan 04, 2011 10:28 AM GMT
    And how is this news?
    /sarcasm
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    SOCAL, your own definition of hate fits exactly with most of NOM's membership/goals against gay rights, their members in their speeches spell out hate based on fear and missinformation. The group feeds on those matters and grows its ranks based on them.
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    Jan 05, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    Hate isn't always demonstrated with a baseball bat. It can be very subtle.

    -Doug