Adobe Dreamweaver or Microsoft Expressions

  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2011 12:37 AM GMT
    Adobe Dreamweaver or Microsoft Expressions

    I have used Frontpage for many years and have delayed moving on to a new program due to extreme time constraints that occurred when my business partner/best friend past away. So I'm going to force myself to make a big change, which will most likely require just building new web sites from the ground up to make sure all of the extra code that FP creates is gone and the web sites can be seen properly on other devices as well. I really like the way FP made it easy to maintain the web sites, make changes, and gave me so much control over the forms.

    Should I go with Dreamweaver or Expressions?
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    Jan 05, 2011 12:39 AM GMT
    Notepad
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    Jan 05, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    Wordpad...much better.
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    I have too many web sites and some are too large to manage with notepad & wordpad. I like having templates that make it easy to make changes.
  • Shiv66

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    Jan 05, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
    I use Dreamweaver, not sure about Expressions. I just assume that the other graphics programs in Adobe CS, which I use all the time, integrate with it better.
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    Jan 05, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    Either creates messy source code.... go with the cheaper of the two so you can afford developers willing to clean up the mess.
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    Jan 05, 2011 1:28 AM GMT
    Oh oh Dreamweaver I believe you can get me through the night...
  • tmm6497

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    Jan 05, 2011 2:39 AM GMT
    I like expressions, but dreamweaver is good as well. More experience with expressions personally.
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:24 AM GMT
    I think since you've used Frontpage all these years you'll find Microsoft Expressions much easier to work with. We switched at work and the transition was pretty seamless. I have Dreamweaver also and just haven't worked with it enough to feel comfortable. Feel free to contact me directly if you have other questions...
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:25 AM GMT
    Notepad++
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:59 AM GMT
    Either one is fine. Just pick the one that fits your needs, and closely aligns to your workflow. I believe Adobe offers a full feature trial version of Dreamweaver on their website. MS might also. Try them both and then make your decision.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 05, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
    Depends on your focus no?

    Here's an interesting one built on Eclipse I'm going to try:

    http://aptana.com/
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    Jan 05, 2011 4:34 AM GMT
    Damn it!

    I should have said Microsoft Paint!

    Microsoft Paint!
  • spades

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    Jan 05, 2011 6:06 AM GMT
    Shiv66 saidI use Dreamweaver, not sure about Expressions. I just assume that the other graphics programs in Adobe CS, which I use all the time, integrate with it better.


    Also use the Adobe range (Flash, Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver), and they all work great! Have never used Expressions, so can't commrnt on it. Only other program I'd use is Notepad ++.
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    Jan 05, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
    Sounds like you do your stuff from WYSIWYG editors. We have both here, but, rarely use either.

    Expressions expands a lot on Front Page, but, Dreamweaver has been around forever and generates better XML.

    Because we write very tight XML, and use Web 2, and lots of CSS, flex89 and I use vim/vi, Notepad++, Homesite, Kate, and Eclipse. We have most of our stuff in SVN, as well. Logan likes Eclipse, because of its SVN and parsing support, and I like Notepad++ because it's speedy. All of our productions servers sit in SVN. We deploy to devel, stage, and production on each domain.

    I suggest you use whatever you like, and whatever suits your working style.

    If you're going to use M$ products, you might wish to change the settings to be more compatible with web standards and other products. FP has made spaghetti out of some pages.

    Sometimes, we'll slice stuff up, too, using Fireworks, or other Adobe products.

    Most of the stuff we do is all heavy custom work, with huge databases, and uses JQuery, Moo Tools, and Dojo. Dojo is our favorite. Both flex89 and I are hard core programmers with nearly 50 years of experience between us.

    We run mod_php, mod_python, mod_perl, CGI, fast cgi, ssi, on lots of our stuff. For super fast stuff, we run fast cgi and either PERL, or Python with cached database tables. If it needs even less latency, we'll build SOA in C.

    For loading testing, if use OpenSTA. For unit testing, we use Selenium.

    Our experience is that, for folks using WYSIWYG editors for XML, we usually end up having to clean the stuff up to get it to pass muster on our test suites.
  • metta

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    Jan 06, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
    Thank you for the advise everyone. I very much appreciate it. I think that I have decided to go with Dreamweaver. I need something that is going to make it easy to manage my web sites and hopefully save me some time as well.

    One of the reasons why I have decided on Dreamweaver is because I feel like I have already been kind of burned by Microsoft twice so far, the way they just cancel products and start over without anything that can help to convert what you have into the new format. Not just with FP but also with VB. I have a custom program written by my best friend in VB6 and it is not easy finding training for an old version. I would need to create a whole new db, which I have no experience with. So that will have to wait on that. One thing at a time.

    I will start with learning Dreamweaver and then I will begin looking at shopping cart software to see if I can find a new one that offers a lot of flexibility, options, and simplicity to create and manage.
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    Jan 07, 2011 7:42 AM GMT
    I didn't know DreamWeaver was still around! In saying that I'd expect it to be the more stable IDE for Web Page design - my last copy was from Macromedia icon_smile.gif

    I agree with Chucky in that WYSIWYG editors do leave you with a lot of cleanup work anyway. My preference is usually hand coding something or at least templating most of the front end code anyway - being a Java person I'm more into the JavaServer Faces, Facelets and Servlets than Python and C.
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    Jan 07, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    If you're going to pick something, you might as well go with Dreamweaver.

    flex89 saidEither creates messy source code.... go with the cheaper of the two so you can afford developers willing to clean up the mess.

    You haven't seen anything until you've seen that crap MS Word generated 5-10 years ago. Pure word vomit...
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    Jan 07, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    I actually have never heard of Microsoft Expressions.
    Dreamweaver was/is a great tool to use. I've been using it for years and think it's very user-friendly.