The Republican party continues to oppose equal rights for gay Americans...

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    Jan 05, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    as we can see from the statements made by all five candidates for the position of Republican National Committee chairman.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/all-five-rnc-chairman-candidates-reject-gay-marriage-video

    Anyone trying to spin the notion that because a handful of Repubs voted to repeal DADT, that the Repub party is now embracing an pro-gay agenda - is DEAD WRONG.
    The Repubs continue to support an anti-gay agenda and are continuing to kiss the asses of the religious right base of the Republican party.
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    Jan 05, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    The GOP is more anti-gay now than in the 80s. Two states' GOP platforms call for recriminalization of same-sex activity.

    Spin THAT, self-loathers!
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    Jan 05, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    I was a lifelong republican.. UNTIL they started beating the bible..

    I was beat with a bible as a child by the church itself.. can you connect the dots?
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    Jan 05, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI was a lifelong republican.. UNTIL they started beating the bible..


    same here. i considered myself "middle of the road/conservative" until the bible thumpers took over the GOP.

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    Jan 05, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    Recovering Republican since '85!
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    OtterJoq saidThe GOP is more anti-gay now than in the 80s. Two states' GOP platforms call for recriminalization of same-sex activity.

    Spin THAT, self-loathers!

    Oh, they will here, they will. We'll hear about economic priorities, and how gay issues shouldn't dominate our thinking.

    Doesn't matter that homophobia dominates Republican thinking, we're supposed to make the sacrifice for the good of the country. Kiss our rights away so Republicans can have more power and make more money. Sign me up!

    And when a minority of Christian fundamentalists want to rewrite the US Constitution to be a mirror image of the Bible, that's OK. Because God is on their side, and the US is a Christian country.

    But minority gays have no voice in anything. We are the accursed of God, the Bible says so, and the US is governed by the Bible first, and the Constitution second, insofar as it agrees with the Bible.

    I read this link, and I was struck by a similarity with the Islamic world. Many say that most Muslims are not terrorists, and are not represented by the small minority who are. But neither do the majority of Muslims do anything to control the terrorists.

    So it is with Republicans. Most are not extremists, but few do anything to control those who are. They see an opportunity to have political power through these radicals, and so they're happy to sit back and reap the rewards.

    Therefore is the guilt on the hands of all. No one who calls himself a Republican is innocent, no one escapes the blame.

    Though I continue to hear voices here that say: "I don't support pro-gay bills" and "I don't support gay rights, but I still like to fuck gay men."

    As I've said here before, their motto is: "I like gays, I just vote for those who hate them."
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
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    I read this link, and I was struck by a similarity with the Islamic world. Many say that most Muslims are not terrorists, and are not represented by the small minority who are. But neither do the majority of Muslims do anything to control the terrorists.



    Though I continue to hear voices here that say: "I don't support pro-gay bills" and "I don't support gay rights, but I still like to fuck gay men."

    As I've said here before, their motto is: "I like gays, I just vote for those who hate them."
    spot on...
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    OtterJoq saidThe GOP is more anti-gay now than in the 80s. Two states' GOP platforms call for recriminalization of same-sex activity.

    Spin THAT, self-loathers!

    Oh, they will here, they will. We'll hear about economic priorities, and how gay issues shouldn't dominate our thinking.

    Doesn't matter that homophobia dominates Republican thinking, we're supposed to make the sacrifice for the good of the country. Kiss our rights away so Republicans can have more power and make more money. Sign me up!

    And when a minority of Christian fundamentalists want to rewrite the US Constitution to be a mirror image of the Bible, that's OK. Because God is on their side, and the US is a Christian country.

    But minority gays have no voice in anything. We are the accursed of God, the Bible says so, and the US is governed by the Bible first, and the Constitution second, insofar as it agrees with the Bible.

    I read this link, and I was struck by a similarity with the Islamic world. Many say that most Muslims are not terrorists, and are not represented by the small minority who are. But neither do the majority of Muslims do anything to control the terrorists.

    So it is with Republicans. Most are not extremists, but few do anything to control those who are. They see an opportunity to have political power through these radicals, and so they're happy to sit back and reap the rewards.

    Therefore is the guilt on the hands of all. No one who calls himself a Republican is innocent, no one escapes the blame.

    Though I continue to hear voices here that say: "I don't support pro-gay bills" and "I don't support gay rights, but I still like to fuck gay men."

    As I've said here before, their motto is: "I like gays, I just vote for those who hate them."


    Brilliantly succinct. Many thanks!
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:08 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidRecovering Republican since '85!


    Interesting. So what's your view of their fiscal policies?
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidRecovering Republican since '85!



    Good for you.
    You wised up quicker than I did.
    Since 1987 here.
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    OtterJoq saidBrilliantly succinct. Many thanks!

    Thanks! But the last thing I am ever is succinct! icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
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    OtterJoq saidRecovering Republican since '85!


    Interesting. So what's your view of their fiscal policies?


    I like the 1956 Republican platform, which contains, among other things:
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838“The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

    Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

    Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

    Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

    Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

    Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

    Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

    Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

    Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

    Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

    Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public.

    The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.

    We shall continue vigorously to support the United Nations. ”
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    Jan 05, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
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    OtterJoq saidRecovering Republican since '85!


    Interesting. So what's your view of their fiscal policies?


    I like the 1956 Republican platform, which contains, among other things:
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838“The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

    Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

    Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

    Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

    Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

    Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

    Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

    Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

    Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

    Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

    Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public.

    The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.”
    That's back when Republican was something you could be proud of calling yourself.. How many of you are aware that Reagan was a BLATANT racist?
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    Mepark said
    OtterJoq saidRecovering Republican since '85!


    Interesting. So what's your view of their fiscal policies?


    I like the 1956 Republican platform, which contains, among other things:
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838“The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

    Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

    Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

    Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

    Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

    Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

    Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

    Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

    Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

    Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

    Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public.

    The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.

    We shall continue vigorously to support the United Nations. ”

    Who knew that Eisenhower was a Socialist, by present-day Republican standards? And 1956 was when my parents were Republicans, and both held elective office, while Dixie Democrats defended segregation and States rights.

    The main black spots on this rosy Republican picture were McCarthyism, and House hearings that created blacklists and national paranoia about this menace and that menace. The start of a Republican pattern that eventually took total control of the entire Party, bringing it to what it is today. And why I broke political ranks with my elderly late parents, who were mostly oblivious to these changes by that time, continuing to hold the largely liberal beliefs they always had.
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    Jan 06, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    They opposed civil rights in the 60's, they opposed social security.. why wouldn't you expect them to oppose gay rights?

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    Jan 06, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    The silence from certain quarters is deafening, is it not?
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    Jan 06, 2011 7:27 PM GMT
    Yes, they want this thread to die quickly.
    Plus, there is no denying that the idea that the Repub party has become more pro-gay is TOTAL BS.
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    rickrick91 saidYes, they want this thread to die quickly.
    Plus, there is no denying that the idea that the Repub party has become more pro-gay is TOTAL BS.

    What idea is that??? The Republican Party is more anti-gay than it's ever been. Watch what the first bills proposed by the new Republican House will be -- anti-gay. The defense of DADT, or even a return to the original UCMJ hard ban against gays, period. And re-reinforcement of DOMA.

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    Jan 07, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
    I feel it's a wonderful thing the way the republicans have had a positive effect on the Obama administration. They no sooner get voted in to take over controle of the House, and the democrats finally start to repel, their very own brain child DADT. Gotta love the way the Republicans are making the bastards honest.

    Also just because the gay agenda, is not on the top of the republicans agenda, doesn't mean they are homophobic, it's just not a priority for them. But then nor is it one for the democrats either. They just promise to do something to get the gay vote, then do very little. At least the republicans are more transparent than that.

    It's not much diffrent down in Oz. The right wing are transparent that the gay agenda is not a high priority for them, where the left wing is more opaque on the issue, but really do nothing. Not long ago the issue of gay marriage become a highlight in the media. But Aussies and Australians rebuked that, claiming it was hijacking more important issues at hand.
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    Jan 07, 2011 1:16 AM GMT
    Red baby. You have spent most of your life as a straight man with a number of ex wives, and children, and no doubt now grandchildren too. Now just because you may stick rainbow sticker all over the place does not undo any of that, or make you a pure homosexual, a real gay.

    So pray tell during your days as a straight man, and a family man too with wives and children. What did you do for the advancement of homosexuality?

    I'm sure very little in fact. Thus one is now left to ask. What makes you any better than the Republicans you hate so much for allegedly being homophobic, when you spent most of your life as one. How is your hate any better; please explain.
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    Jan 07, 2011 1:20 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said But Aussies and Australians
    How dumb are you really?
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    Jan 07, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThey opposed civil rights in the 60's, they opposed social security.. why wouldn't you expect them to oppose gay rights?

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    True_blue_aussie saidI feel it's a wonderful thing the way the republicans have had a positive effect on the Obama administration. They no sooner get voted in to take over controle of the House, and the democrats finally start to repel, their very own brain child DADT. Gotta love the way the Republicans are making the bastards honest.

    Also just because the gay agenda, is not on the top of the republicans agenda, doesn't mean they are homophobic, it's just not a priority for them. But then nor is it one for the democrats either. They just promise to do something to get the gay vote, then do very little. At least the republicans are more transparent than that.

    It's not much diffrent down in Oz. The right wing are transparent that the gay agenda is not a high priority for them, where the left wing is more opaque on the issue, but really do nothing. Not long ago the issue of gay marriage become a highlight in the media. But Aussies and Australians rebuked that, claiming it was hijacking more important issues at hand.



    Nonsense.
    Denying equal rights for gay Americans IS "a priority" for the Repubs.
    It's a specific part of the Republican party's official platform.
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    Jan 07, 2011 2:39 AM GMT
    You know on many of my trips to the US. I have never seen the hate towards homosexuals, as I have seen the hate here towards anything that even leans to the right.

    No gay issues is just not high on the republicans agenda, nor is it really very high on Obama's either. Now the conservatives may not support a thing called gay marriage, and I a pure homosexual that has been in a gay relasionship for over 20 years don't either, as it's a heterosexual institution, one that our half brothers the bisexuals have had access to. But..... I as a pure homosexual a real gay, do not relate to anything called gay marriage.

    But I'm sure they would find less resistance if they did it under another name like civil unions, I'm sure as i would they too would give that more support. But they will not support it under the banner of gay marriage, as I would not a pure homosexual.
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    Jan 07, 2011 2:40 AM GMT
    I think the reason we conservatives aren't likely to take the bait on this topic is...

    ...it's been beaten to death.


    Some folks are just twitted by a single issue that NEITHER party will do much about other than lip service by the left, and on the right with attitudes ranging from politely ignoring the matter to actively opposing it.

    Too bad Libertarianism doesn't get its due the way it ought to...