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    Jan 05, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    America, home of the free. Canada, home of the future: Washington Times
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    President Barack Obama is saluted by Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Ottawa in this Associated Press file photo

    Published on January 5th, 2011


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    Canada has strong banks, a stable real estate market and rock-bottom corporate tax rates, and it's about time Americans paid attention, according to a Washington Times op-ed piece.

    ". . . Our well-mannered Canadian neighbours have pulled their act together. We could learn a lot from them," writes Jim Bacon in an article that compares Canada to quiet, orderly neighbour and Mexico to a bachelor pad with "drunken parties" and the "occasional gunshot eruptions."

    Canada's good behaviour has kept it off America's radar until now, said Bacon, who hails from Richmond, Virginia and has never been to Canada.

    "You all behave yourselves, you are well-mannered and you don't create a lot of problems for us," he said.

    But it's that good behaviour chronicled by the International Monetary Fund and international media that inspired Bacon to pen the piece.

    "It smacked me with a two-by-four," he said in an interview with Postmedia News. "Everywhere else was showing deteriorating financial conditions and Canada was looking pretty good by comparison."

    Bacon credits Canada's low corporate tax rate, strict fiscal discipline in the 1990s, housing policies and stringent bank system for the country's economic pre-eminence.

    Bacon said he doesn't expect his op-ed piece to inspire U.S. President Barack Obama to make an impromptu trip to seek northern wisdom, but that it could channel the attention of the business community.

    "Talented Canadians have long regarded the United States as the land of opportunity. It may not be long before Americans see our northern neighbor as the land of the future," he writes.

    And Americans are increasing seeing it as such, says Jane Moffat, the executive director of the Canadian American Business Council, who hails from Ontario.

    "Increasingly, Americans are seeing opportunity north of the border," she said. "Given the integration of our economies in all sectors, it's an easy place to look."

    She said the American banking sector has become more interested in the Canadian banking model in the past two years.

    It's attention Moffat believes will continue.

    "I think more and more, Canada is making its name in the world and in North America as a sound, stable partner," she said.

    "I think Americans genuinely appreciate having Canada to the north," she said. "I think they'd like to have Canada south, too."

    Canada's role in Afghanistan is another thing Americans need to recognize, says Bacon.

    "Americans have the idea that we are out there fighting a war in Afghanistan all by ourselves," he said. "Canadians have acquitted themselves really, really well and have fought some pretty tough engagements and suffered a lot of casualties, and I for one, am very appreciative of the fact that Canadians support us in that."

    Moffat said she, too, has noticed Americans aren't aware of Canada's steadfast commitment to their allies.

    "It would be nice if Americans knew more about how Canada has committed to help in Afghanistan."

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    Jan 06, 2011 12:45 AM GMT
    No, Canada is the home of future Islam and China.
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    Jan 06, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    With respect, this is not a U.S. bashing thread at all. It is just another of the many news items I have posted ABOUT Canada, as they appear in the news (whether from our newspaper, Ottawa, CBC, CTV, BBC, CNN and even FOX AS far as the hockey story goes, uh, ther= Jr's are on. It's hockey news. And some of us are into hockey. The above piece, you will note, is a report from an American newspaper. It is of particular relevanmce to our readers because we have been talking about corporate taxation and other taxe rsates at some length YThis piece bolsters some of the comparative points that have been talked about.


    I do not engage in country bashing. If you read my profile you will see I was educated in an American school and I value the U.S. highly.

    I do, however, undertake to inform others about what goes on in Canada (even tings as trivial as a young girl finding a supernova). And to be clear, that is not trying to imply a 10-year old Canadian girl is smarter than American astronomers.

    btw Canada is playing Russia tonight, so you will see me post if we win, too.

    I'll prolly post it if Russia wins too.
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    Jan 06, 2011 3:19 AM GMT
    btw, country bashing is Caslon's thing. And, again, if you've read my profile, from whom do you suppose he gets most of his Canadian news?
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:18 AM GMT
    I'm holding this spot for Casions slaughtered seal pics um kay.
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
    Oh, Caslon is all about Canada!

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    Jan 06, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    beneful1 saidI'm holding this spot for Casions slaughtered seal pics um kay.


    Well, since you bring it up....

    ""You all behave yourselves, you are well-mannered ..."



    The last thing that seal saw...

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    A pickax thru the head. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    Well Caslon, most of us up here hate the seal hunt but also realize the necessity of food for indigenous people that
    A)
    can't just go to Safeway and they have to eat.
    B)
    have to make a living, because it's the 21st century and you need cash to get by.
    Some countries' cultures have seal penis as an erectile dysfunction and sperm count medicine.
    Desperation to pay those bills make people do less than savory things.

    This is why. No one is saying it's great n cool n fun n all that.

    -Doug

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    Jan 06, 2011 5:46 AM GMT
    meninlove said Well Caslon, most of us up here hate the seal hunt but also realize the necessity of food for indigenous people that
    A)
    can't just go to Safeway and they have to eat.
    B)
    have to make a living, because it's the 21st century and you need cash to get by.
    Some countries' cultures have seal penis as an erectile dysfunction and sperm count medicine.
    Desperation to pay those bills make people do less than savory things.

    This is why. No one is saying it's great n cool n fun n all that.

    -Doug


    Oh yeah, those look like indigenous people.



    They must be planning one hell of a cook out!

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    Jan 06, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said(Facepalms) ...D'oh! Bill, Doug, you took the bait! icon_biggrin.gif

    Oh well. (sighs)

    Hey, I didnt bring the topic up. I was baited. ... icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said(Facepalms) ...D'oh! Bill, Doug, you took the bait! icon_biggrin.gif

    Oh well. (sighs)


    ..but we do so to make a point. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:48 AM GMT
    Caslon17000 said
    meninlove said Well Caslon, most of us up here hate the seal hunt but also realize the necessity of food for indigenous people that
    A)
    can't just go to Safeway and they have to eat.
    B)
    have to make a living, because it's the 21st century and you need cash to get by.
    Some countries' cultures have seal penis as an erectile dysfunction and sperm count medicine.
    Desperation to pay those bills make people do less than savory things.

    This is why. No one is saying it's great n cool n fun n all that.

    -Doug


    Oh yeah, those look like indigenous people.



    They must be planning one hell of a cook out!

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    Oops, you didn't read all my post , I guess. Try again snookums.

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    Jan 06, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
    ...and let's compare that pic to how many chickens are slaughtered (and how they are slaughtered) for a single day of supply to 1/4 of your country.


    Now then, what are indigenous people in the 21st century supposed to look like? Please post a pic.


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    Jan 06, 2011 5:52 AM GMT
    "Mexico has made all seal imports illegal whilst the US has a long standing seal import ban since 1972. In 2006 President Obama spoke out against the Seal hunt calling it 'inhumane' and an 'outrage'. The EU has banned all seal products and over 500,000 people have signed the PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) call for an immediate ban of the hunt. Many thousands of people have also signed various other petitions throughout the past few years helping put more and more pressure on the Canadian Government...."
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    Jan 06, 2011 5:56 AM GMT
    Caslon17000 said"Mexico has made all seal imports illegal whilst the US has a long standing seal import ban since 1972. In 2006 President Obama spoke out against the Seal hunt calling it 'inhumane' and an 'outrage'. The EU has banned all seal products and over 500,000 people have signed the PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) call for an immediate ban of the hunt. Many thousands of people have also signed various other petitions throughout the past few years helping put more and more pressure on the Canadian Government...."


    It's excellent. Change will come so it's only for food once more. Some of it (skins) is used for clothing by people up there.

    Incidentally, I don't think you'd care to look at the stats on these animals:

    "Varmint hunting is an American phrase for the selective killing of non-game animals seen as pests. While not always an efficient form of pest control, varmint hunting achieves selective control of pests while providing recreation and is much less regulated. Varmint species are often responsible for detrimental effects on crops, livestock, landscaping, infrastructure, and pets. Some animals (such as wild rabbits or squirrels) may be utilized for fur or meat, but often no use is made of the carcass. Which species are "varmints" depends on the circumstance and area. Common varmints may include various rodents, coyotes, crows, foxes, feral cats, and feral hogs. Some animals once considered varmints are now protected, such as wolves. In the US state of Louisiana, a non-native rodent known as a nutria have become so destructive to the local ecosystem that the state has initiated a bounty program to help control the population. Feral dogs and cats, rats, starlings, English sparrows, and pigeons may be hunted without a hunting license in the United States."


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    Jan 06, 2011 6:20 AM GMT
    Caslon, I think that you're thinking Canadians are all,
    "Our country is perfect." because we're not whining constantly and bitching incessantly about it, like so many topics do on the US, for example.
    Trust me, most aren't happy with the way things are up here, it's far from perfect but are reasonably happy about the way we go about change.

    -Doug
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    Jan 06, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    Caslon17000 said
    Oh yeah, those look like indigenous people.

    Yeah, most seals were not killed by aboriginals. However, after the fur markets started closing down those who supported their families and their communities with the proceeds of seal pelts were left with no way to make a living. Communities that once had hope and pride have fallen to drugs and alcoholism with no end in sight. There is no market for pelts, no way to make a living and have pride in yourself and no chance for the future. In many of the communities there is only government support and boredom.

    You may hate the seal hunt (and after it became a commercial seal "hunt" it had gone too far) but to have such hatred is to show your contempt for your fellow man. There is no going back. Europe will not open it's boarders, pelts are seen as a social faux pas and the future for the true hunters and trappers; those who were not engaged in the commercial "hunt" but engaged in it as a way of life and a method to support themselves is gone.

    I suppose that bashing Canada for allowing the hunt to become commercial and open it to so many "hunters" is fair. However, to bash the entire industry is not. While I was not a huge fan of our former Governor General, Michaƫlle Jean, I have to confess that I was proud when she ate raw seal heart. I think it let a marginalized group know that their traditions and way of life are recognized by other Canadians. So, here is future ammunition to use. PETA believes that an act that made me proud demonstrated a Neanderthal image and blood lust.
    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/640978

    This reminds me that it is time to have a burger... every time I think or hear of PETA I enjoy ground animal in some form.
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    Jan 06, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
    Okay, I'll take some bait! Did you guys hear about the US feds rounding up the Wild Mustangs and Burros in Arizona. They are going to capture around 2,500 because the 500,000+ acres that they roam can't sustain their numbers. I know it's not murder, but how would you feel if your freedom was taken away?

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/sawyer/2010/01/21/tucson-protests-wild-horse-and-burro-treatment-roundup-friday-jan-22/


    Sorry UpperCanadian, I didn't mean to turn your topic upside down! (as I'm sure others whom have posted against it feel as well)
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    Jan 06, 2011 8:42 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidUmm...Canada did not "allow the hunt to be commercial" or "open it up to so many hunters".

    The commercial seal hunt predates Canada by hundreds of years. Long before Canada, Europeans nearly wiped out the seal population. It has been managed (by Canada) back to the point that the seal population is now higher than it has ever been, higher than nature's checks and balances ever allowed before Europeans even arrived in North America.

    The seal hunt WILL come to an end. I'm sure of that. Whether we'll still have to cull seals anyway (because we've killed their natural preditors) is still a question to me.

    Yes, I was not quite correct. However, I am not so worried about the captains and crews with vessels... I am more worried about the Inuit hunter. I know that the majority of pelts never originated with small hunters, but that was their main source of income.

    On your last point: I believe that is a part of the justification of the hunt. Unless I am mistaken the lack of predators for seals and their impact on the fisheries is a concern. The site I link to below estimates the population of harp seals @ 6.9million. Perhaps it is time for me to purchase a fashionable pair of seal skin boots?

    Finally, the killing of the white seal pup has been illegal since 1987.

    If anybody is actually curious about the DFO (department of fisheries) take on sealing it can be found here... It does not really support PETA's claims (and I am now waiting for somebody to scream "government propaganda.")
    http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/seal-phoque/myth-eng.htm
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    Jan 06, 2011 11:45 AM GMT
    UpperCdn saidAmerica, home of the free. Canada, home of the future: Washington Times
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    President Barack Obama is saluted by Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Ottawa in this Associated Press file photo


    Pfff they still look like a bunch of Redcoats to me icon_razz.gif GO YANKEES!!!