Gay Teen: Stop Bullying or I’ll Sue

  • metta

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    Jan 07, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    Gay Teen: Stop Bullying or I’ll Sue

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/01/06/Gay_Teen_Stop_Bullying_or_Ill_Sue//
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    Jan 07, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    Good for him. I also think all queer kids should learn self-defense or more advanced fighting techniques.

    I also agree with John Fugelsang that we need a new word for what gets called "bullying." In many cases, it's closer to what we would call assault, menacing, sexual harassment, etc if adults were doing it.
  • metta

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    Jan 07, 2011 2:41 AM GMT
    Here is the letter:

    http://www.azcentral.com/ic/community/pdf/surprise-caleb-laieski-letter.pdf
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    Jan 07, 2011 2:55 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidI also agree with John Fugelsang that we need a new word for what gets called "bullying."
    "Closeted"
  • Mepark

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    Jan 07, 2011 3:23 AM GMT
    That's good, but I don't understand why bullying isn't being stopped unconditionally in the first place.
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    Jan 07, 2011 3:27 AM GMT
    Good for him! Schools need a wake-up call about this issue. It's been poorly addressed and even some teachers turn the other cheek about it.
  • metta

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    Oct 12, 2011 8:33 AM GMT



    Anderson Cooper tapes bullying show

    “Bullying: It Stops Here” on Friday, October 14 at 8 and 10 p.m. ET, and the special week-long series leading up to it.



    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/bullying-it-stops-here/?hpt=ac_mid
  • metta

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    Oct 12, 2011 8:43 AM GMT
    I love the Moth podcast. They recently did a short story about bullying...a little bit of a different take on it.

    Ernesto Quiñonez: Spanish Harlem, 7th Grade
    http://radioweave.com/t2/wb8m/?c=5392
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    Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM GMT
    metta8 saidGay Teen: Stop Bullying or I’ll Sue

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/01/06/Gay_Teen_Stop_Bullying_or_Ill_Sue//



    You go boy!
  • GQjock

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    Oct 12, 2011 10:50 AM GMT
    I SO wish they don't stop for a bit so he can drag their sorry asses into court
    Them and their sad excuses for parents
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    Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM GMT
    Good for him. Hurt that wallet.

    GQjock, sometimes the parents don't know that their kids are heathens (bullies) and suffer for their actions. For the parents that do know and don't nip it in the bud or even encourage it then I say hell yeah...pay for your kids mistakes and your lack of proper parenting.
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    Oct 12, 2011 11:50 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidGood for him. I also think all queer kids should learn self-defense or more advanced fighting techniques.

    I also agree with John Fugelsang that we need a new word for what gets called "bullying." In many cases, it's closer to what we would call assault, menacing, sexual harassment, etc if adults were doing it.


    Haha Advanced Fighting Techniques for the win!
  • hebrewman

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    Oct 12, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    as i read the advocate article i see that it has only generated very little response? why? are the school board directors blind to this? when does the first suit go to court?
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    Oct 12, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
    How would you propose to stop bullying? Just a question to all the people that say it needs to completely stop. I am saying it is a horrible thing and I was bullied as a kid but I have no idea how you would stop it. Parents, talking to the kids directly. None of these would work.
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    Oct 12, 2011 12:55 PM GMT
    LGBT Americans serve in the military, work in classrooms and firehouses and executive offices and Walmarts across this country. We have children and husbands and wives. Yet we are not treated as full and equal citizens.

    William F. Butler, an African American leader, said in a speech he delivered in November 1867 in Lexington, Kentucky, "First we had the cartridge box, now we want the ballot box, and soon we will get the jury box".

    Butler was referring to the fact that African Americans had fought in the Unionist forces in the American Civil War, but were still facing opposition to being treated as full citizens.

    This will continue until we as a people quit asking for what we are being denied and start TAKING what we want.

    END RANT.
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    Oct 12, 2011 1:13 PM GMT
    Good for him! He's cute too!
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    Oct 12, 2011 1:20 PM GMT
    chris2787 saidHow would you propose to stop bullying? Just a question to all the people that say it needs to completely stop. I am saying it is a horrible thing and I was bullied as a kid but I have no idea how you would stop it. Parents, talking to the kids directly. None of these would work.


    The same way parents have to teach kids not to steal, bite or do other socially unacceptable or uncivilized things - using every tool our imaginations have ever devised in parenting.

    There is no single universal method.

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    Oct 12, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    chris2787 saidHow would you propose to stop bullying? Just a question to all the people that say it needs to completely stop. I am saying it is a horrible thing and I was bullied as a kid but I have no idea how you would stop it. Parents, talking to the kids directly. None of these would work.


    It could potentially create more of a sense of fear for actually engaging in the bullying. By criminalizing it and making the punishment extremely severe then it might deter students from doing it -- at least openly.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 12, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    ........... And most people don't take anything you say seriously on here SB

    .............. Jeez, did someone drop you on your head as a child?
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    Oct 12, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said...What all these "anti-bullying" initiatives are built upon is the flawed premise that legislation and government "programs" can fundamentally change an aspect of the human condition. It can't...


    No, you're right. I'm glad the laws that outlaw theft, sexual assault, murder and bad parenting were never written, so that stupid legislators don't make the mistake of legislating free people's interpretation of the human condition.
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    Oct 12, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidTheft, sexual assault and murder haven't been eradicated, nor can you cite a single statistic that says a specific law "saved or created 3 million jobs" ooops, wrong liberal slogan.... nor can you cite a single statistic that says a specific law was responsible for deterring a specific crime.

    As for "bad parenting" - I didn't know there was a law against "bad parenting" out there. Interesting!


    Why are you talking about jobs? Have you trouble staying on topic?

    Bad parenting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Abuse_Prevention_and_Treatment_Act. Try the Googles for your lack of information needs.

    Also, am I hearing your implicit suggestion that the statutes outlawing murder, theft and sexual assault be stricken, because they haven't been 100 percent effective? Are you actually going to make that case?
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    Oct 12, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said

    What all these "anti-bullying" initiatives are built upon is the flawed premise that legislation and government "programs" can fundamentally change an aspect of the human condition. It can't.

    Kids don't pay attention in class to begin with, they're certainly not going to pay attention to "social worker Sally" when she comes in one morning (thanks to the "anti-bullying government grant") and warns the kids of the dangers of bullying.


    I strongly believe this, based on my own experience. The bully and his two sidekicks who held me up for my lunch money for three weeks when I was nine, and then beat the shit out of me the day I finally refused to hand my money over, didn't give a damn about the warnings they'd received from the teachers and the principal. The bullies don't care about the good advice and stern lectures they receive. Throwing money, programs or lawsuit threats around won't stop bullying. Nothing stopped the horror I went through for three weeks until I learned to stand up for myself and show some guts. I learned to throw a power punch, keep myself focused, block, and defend myself. Word got around all over my school, and I was never bothered again. I had a new sense of myself, and felt happy and secure from then on. In my experience, bullies don't bother with kids who they know will fight back, and prevail. We need to lecture against bullying in schools, sure, but moreover we need to help little kids learn to stand up for themselves and stop the bullying the first time it starts.
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    Oct 12, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    Oh, and here, southbeach, because you were too lazy to look this one up as well, your bullshit non sequitur about NOT CREATING JOBS:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

    Which, as I understand was a dismal failure, in that the electrical grid that spans the entire United States is completely useless to our citizenry.
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    Oct 12, 2011 6:03 PM GMT
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    chris2787 saidHow would you propose to stop bullying? Just a question to all the people that say it needs to completely stop.


    Thanks for your post. It's the only post I've read so far that is grounded in reality.

    Anderson Cooper's "special report" on bullying is his attempt at winning an Emmy Award for "Best Special Report" in the News category.

    What all these "anti-bullying" initiatives are built upon is the flawed premise that legislation and government "programs" can fundamentally change an aspect of the human condition. It can't.

    Kids will beat up on other kids. It's been going on for centuries. It will continue for centuries.

    Kids don't watch Anderson Cooper.

    Most adults don't watch Anderson Cooper.

    Kids don't pay attention in class to begin with, they're certainly not going to pay attention to "social worker Sally" when she comes in one morning (thanks to the "anti-bullying government grant") and warns the kids of the dangers of bullying.

    But.. having all these "anti-bullying" laws, Acts, and programs makes liberals feel good and in the end, that is what this is all about.


    This really wouldn't be a government thing though, it would be the school creating "rules" for students while on the school grounds.
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    Oct 12, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    chris2787 saidHow would you propose to stop bullying? Just a question to all the people that say it needs to completely stop.


    Thanks for your post. It's the only post I've read so far that is grounded in reality.

    Anderson Cooper's "special report" on bullying is his attempt at winning an Emmy Award for "Best Special Report" in the News category.

    What all these "anti-bullying" initiatives are built upon is the flawed premise that legislation and government "programs" can fundamentally change an aspect of the human condition. It can't.

    Kids will beat up on other kids. It's been going on for centuries. It will continue for centuries.

    Kids don't watch Anderson Cooper.

    Most adults don't watch Anderson Cooper.

    Kids don't pay attention in class to begin with, they're certainly not going to pay attention to "social worker Sally" when she comes in one morning (thanks to the "anti-bullying government grant") and warns the kids of the dangers of bullying.

    But.. having all these "anti-bullying" laws, Acts, and programs makes liberals feel good and in the end, that is what this is all about.


    But then, what is your actual response? Just allow bullying and all its consequences to occur? Or do you have ideas for what could/should be done about bullying? Adult discussions with parents? Discussions at church about Christ's lessons on how to treat others?

    It's easy to lament a bent toward proactively setting up a context in which this negative behavior has legal consequences, which you seem to be against in your commentary. But what about real suggestions for solutions as part of this discussion?

    Almost all of us were bullied as kids at some point. Most people make it through it ok. But some kids, gay or not, are not so strong and need guidance/assistance/etc.