Why did the Nazis choose pink for the triangle to brand us?

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    Jan 08, 2011 2:00 AM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_symbols
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle

    Original used in Nazi concentration camps:
    200px-Pink_triangle.svg.png

    Re-appropriated and turned upright:
    200px-Pink_triangle_up.svg.png

    I hope Steven Tyler explained the reason (sarcasm).



    That music video still freaks me out, however.
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    damn those drugs have messed up his looks......

    and that video really didnt explain anything
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    YoungjockMN saiddamn those drugs have messed up his looks......

    and that video really didnt explain anything


    Sorry, I forgot to mention sarcasm.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    serioushat saidWhy did the Nazis choose pink for the triangle to brand us?
    Because back then ink was more expensive, so a rainbow triangle was out of their budget.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    serioushat saidWhy did the Nazis choose pink for the triangle to brand us?
    Because back then ink was more expensive, so a rainbow triangle was out of their budget.


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    Jan 08, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    serioushat saidWhy did the Nazis choose pink for the triangle to brand us?
    Because back then ink was more expensive, so a rainbow triangle was out of their budget.


    I thought the rainbow flag was used for LGBT pride since 1978.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
    cold saidMy guess is that gay men always presented a challenge to masculinity. Men who sleep with men undermine the carefully constructed gender relationship between men and women. Assigning pink, the typical colour for women, to gay men was probably a method to subordinate/emasculate them. Also, I don't think there were many 'out' gay men at the time, so gays were solely represented by those they (thought they) could recognise - i.e. flamboyant and feminine.

    Actually, there were several "out" gay men back then. In fact, some of Hitler's servants were openly gay.
    Hitler reconstructed the laws, just before the Holocaust, to allow gays full rights.
    Then when they started "coming out" in droves, he repealed the law and had them arrested.
    History...fun to read...not fun to be a part of.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    Isn't Pink the universal symbol for masculinity?
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:03 PM GMT
    LanceKC saidIsn't Pink the universal symbol for masculinity?


    No it's for breast cancer.
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:06 PM GMT
    I recall in the 80s there was this militant gay liberal organisation, who used this symbol, and their goal was to out prominate famous people, to advance the gay agenda. They did not care about the lives they hurt in the process either.
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:06 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidActually, there were several "out" gay men back then. In fact, some of Hitler's servants were openly gay.
    Hitler reconstructed the laws, just before the Holocaust, to allow gays full rights.
    Then when they started "coming out" in droves, he repealed the law and had them arrested.
    History...fun to read...not fun to be a part of.


    Gay men featured very heavily in the Nazi Party. Ernst Röhm, the founder of the SA (forerunners of the SS) and Hitler's chief henchman for many years, was gay . Hiltler was aware of his homosexuality and tolerated it, until Röhm became too much of a political threat (for reasons unconnected with his sexuality). Hitler went to arrest Röhm and his cohorts personally and found Röhm's chief in the sack with a young storm trooper. The homosexuality within the SA was used as a pretext for its break up and for the summary execution of many of its members. Still, Hitler was uneasy authorizing Röhm's execution and gave Röhm an opportunity to commit suicide. I suppose it just goes to show your sexuality does not always dictate your politics.
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:15 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:30 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidEveryone got a triangle, except the jews who got two (formed to show the star of david). Wikipedia has a good article, which is where I got this image from.

    I can't read German but it looks like there was quite a set of variations, rather than just the original 8 "marks of shame". What I find particularly interesting is that the jewish star of david mark of shame carried within it a 2nd mark of shame depending on if that jew was also a fag or a political prisoner, etc.

    Anyway, looks like the decided on the triangle first and then picked colours to delineate the different groups they hated. I'll bet pink was chosen to insinuate girliness.

    German_concentration_camp_chart_of_priso


    Here's a translation of everything on here. My german's a bit rusty, so correct me if I misinterpreted anything

    red: political
    green: criminal
    blue: emigrant, one who leaves the country
    purple: Jehovah's Witness
    pink: homosexual
    black: lazy, "work shy", those who don't want to work

    triangle: base color
    stripe: "back slider", repeat offender
    dot: someone who has fought back, a troublemaker
    star: Jew

    white stripe: "race desecrater"
    red dot: "escape suspect", likely to attempt escape
    band: prisoner
    Example of rebellious political jew who's a repeat offender (doubt anyone survived that long)
    upright triangle: "special action" german army - not sure what that means
    P: polish
    T: Czech
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    It appears they didn't much care for anyone.
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI recall in the 80s there was this militant gay liberal organisation, who used this symbol, and their goal was to out prominate famous people, to advance the gay agenda. They did not care about the lives they hurt in the process either.


    Please educate me in Aussie English. What exactly is this 'prominate' thing you are talking about?
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    Jan 09, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives


    Everyone should be acquainted with the transformation of defeated Germany, nominally a republic, into a totalitarian dictatorship which caused incalculable death, destruction, and suffering. This is statism and socialism, which turns citizens into disposable pawns.

    In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge of the German people...And let it be known for all time to come that if anyone raises his hand to strike the State, then certain death is his lot.

    The oath which many take to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution should be taken very seriously.
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    Jan 09, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    LanceKC saidIsn't Pink the universal symbol for masculinity?


    I dont know, but they make good dress shirts.
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    Jan 09, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Under Nazi Germany every prisoner had to wear a concentration camp badge on their jacket, the color of which categorized them into groups. Individuals who were sexual offenders (including homosexual men) had to wear the Pink Triangle. Other colors identified Jews (two triangles superimposed as a yellow star), political prisoners, Jehovah's Witnesses, "anti-social" prisoners, and others the Nazis deemed undesirable.

    While the number of homosexuals in German concentration camps is hard to estimate, Richard Plant gives a rough estimate of the number of men convicted for homosexuality "between 1933 to 1944 at between 50,000 and 63,000."[1]

    After the camps were liberated at the end of the Second World War, many of the pink triangle prisoners were often simply re-imprisoned by the Allied-established Federal Republic of Germany. An openly gay man named Heinz Dörmer, for instance, served 20 years total, first in a Nazi concentration camp and then in the jails of the new Republic. In fact, the Nazi amendments to Paragraph 175, which turned homosexuality from a minor offense into a felony, remained intact in both East and West Germany after the war for a further 24 years. While suits seeking monetary compensation have failed, in 2002 the German government issued an official apology to the gay community.

    As of 2010 fewer than ten of those imprisoned for homosexuality are known to be still living. In 2000, the documentary film Paragraph 175 recorded some of their testimonies
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    Jan 09, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    Yet isn't it funny that it was a German gay liberal movment that was to help put the Nazis in power with the promise of advancement, and equality. Look at what they where able to achieve. Then the Night of the Long knives was to put and end to that hollow promise, and homosexuals where to pay for other wanting advancement, and putting Mr Hitler in power to get it.

    We should not forget this, as we should always be weary of a politision promising to give homosexuals advancement, just to get their vote to get into power. sadly many homosexual and bisexuals would still fall for it, and that why they voted for Obama.

    It is also strongly supported Hitler was also a bisexual, and also part Jewish.
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:26 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidYet isn't it funny that it was a German gay liberal movment that was to help put the Nazis in power with the promise of advancement, and equality. Look at what they where able to achieve. Then the Night of the Long knives was to put and end to that hollow promise, and homosexuals where to pay for other wanting advancement, and putting Mr Hitler in power to get it.

    We should not forget this, as we should always be weary of a politision promising to give homosexuals advancement, just to get their vote to get into power. sadly many homosexual and bisexuals would still fall for it, and that why they voted for Obama.

    It is also strongly supported Hitler was also a bisexual, and also part Jewish.


    there are so many factual errors in this that it's quicker to just call you an idiot than correct them.