Mexican-American Class Found To Be Illegal In Arizona

  • metta

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    Jan 08, 2011 6:46 AM GMT
    Mexican-American Class Found To Be Illegal In Arizona


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    Tucson Unified School District’s Mexican-American program have been declared illegal by the State of Arizona — even while similar programs for black, Asian and American Indian students have been left untouched.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/us/08ethnic.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:48 AM GMT
    What's next, banning Mexican restaurants?
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:23 AM GMT
    I'm sure soon there'll be a White flight from Arizona. Probably back to the O.C. Not many places left for White people to flee to these days.
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    Jan 08, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidWhat's next, banning Mexican restaurants?


    Yup, and we all know that "Chinese" food is just a US invention and therefore 100% constitutional, but Mexican food is 100% Mexican. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 08, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    This reminds me to call my sister who is a teacher living in Tucson to get the latest from her perspective. She says that the environment, in general, seems to increasingly be hostile to Latinos throughout the state, and not just in the schools.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 08, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    The problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing
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    Jan 08, 2011 5:12 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    No wonder!

    I love how "they" post something to make you think some great injustice is being done only to figure out it makes perfect sense.
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    Jan 08, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    ....but was that actually happening?
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    If this is true then I like Arizona. icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    Dude this is a bad thing. It's one of those subtle ways in which the freedom of speech is slowly eroded.

    A government should behave in a way so that its citizens woudn't want to overthrow it.

    First, you can't "promote overthrowing the government"
    Then, you can't "suggest returning land previously Mexican land"
    Next will be, you can't "suggest changes to the political system", cause that's "unpatriotic".

    It's so blatantly obvious for everybody with a bit of insight, you can't start with this kinda shit cause it puts you on a slippery slope.

    The whole thing that sets the free world apart from authoritarian systems is accepting dissent, rebellion, alternatives because it's all part of the fundamental freedom of speech and thought. It's something worth suffering a minor inconvenience for.
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:16 PM GMT
    I just can't wait for them to outlaw teaching about the Chinese Exclusion Act or the forced internment of Japanese-American citizens in WWII.
    CJinAZThe article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.


    Who needs that taught when you have SB 1070? Whites already resent the Latinos.
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:19 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    Dude this is a bad thing. It's one of those subtle ways in which the freedom of speech is slowly eroded.

    A government should behave in a way so that its citizens woudn't want to overthrow it.

    First, you can't "promote overthrowing the government"
    Then, you can't "suggest returning land previously Mexican land"
    Next will be, you can't "suggest changes to the political system", cause that's "unpatriotic".

    It's so blatantly obvious for everybody with a bit of insight, you can't start with this kinda shit cause it puts you on a slippery slope.

    The whole thing that sets the free world apart from authoritarian systems is accepting dissent, rebellion, alternatives because it's all part of the fundamental freedom of speech and thought. It's something worth suffering a minor inconvenience for.


    lol, look who's advocating freedom of speech. Did it ever occur to you that there might be funds involved? I'd venture to surmise that this was not some completely private education program having nothing to do with taxpayer dollars.

    After all, I doubt anyone disagrees (except for liberals like you, of course) that everyone should have the freedom to have a class or group or society that preaches or believes what others may consider hateful.

    So please...
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI just can't wait for them to outlaw teaching about the Chinese Exclusion Act or the forced internment of Japanese-American citizens in WWII.
    CJinAZThe article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.


    Who needs that taught when you have SB 1070? Whites already resent the Latinos.


    What does SB 1070 have to do with latinos?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 08, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said

    Who needs that taught when you have SB 1070? Whites already resent the Latinos.


    This is just a silly comment, and not true at all. How about you educate yourself about what SB 1070 is.
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe problem here was more with the teacher and the way the class was taught, as well as some of the books he was using. The new law clearly states that "Programs that promote the overthrow of the United States government are explicitly banned, and that includes the suggestion that portions of the Southwest that were once part of Mexico should be returned to that country". I don't really see this as a bad thing.

    The state of Arizona, which includes some Mexican-American studies in its official curriculum, sees the classes as less about educating students than creating future activists.

    The article did note accurately that the new law also prohibits any promotion of resentment toward a race. Programs that are primarily for one race or that advocate ethnic solidarity instead of individuality are also outlawed.

    I don't see this as a negative thing


    Dude this is a bad thing. It's one of those subtle ways in which the freedom of speech is slowly eroded.

    A government should behave in a way so that its citizens woudn't want to overthrow it.

    First, you can't "promote overthrowing the government"
    Then, you can't "suggest returning land previously Mexican land"
    Next will be, you can't "suggest changes to the political system", cause that's "unpatriotic".

    It's so blatantly obvious for everybody with a bit of insight, you can't start with this kinda shit cause it puts you on a slippery slope.

    The whole thing that sets the free world apart from authoritarian systems is accepting dissent, rebellion, alternatives because it's all part of the fundamental freedom of speech and thought. It's something worth suffering a minor inconvenience for.


    I love how people who have no real life exposure whatsoever to these type of issues provide their opinion based on ideas they get from reading articles and textbooks. oh and over exaggeration to get a scare out of people. "hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband 'cause they rapin' e'rybody out here." hilarity!
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    Jan 08, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    Trash-strewn trails and lay-ups of illegal immigrants in southern Arizona.

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  • Sk8Tex

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    Jan 08, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    Im pretty sure if you took any minority group of people and proceeded to teach them on taxpayer dollars that they should oppose their state laws that it wouldnt settle well with laws in place in said state. This article is highly misleading and seems to be aimed at inciting anger at a non-existant injustice..
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    Jan 08, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    It's not clear how a law prohibiting discussion on "overthrowing government" can be reconciled with the Right To Bear Arms. It seems incongruous that it's okay for 18 year olds to buy pump action rifles from Walmart, but not okay for academics to discuss how America could dislodge a fascist government through nonviolent means.
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    Jan 08, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
    Brit_in_Canada saidIt's not clear how a law prohibiting discussion on "overthrowing government" can be reconciled with the Right To Bear Arms. It seems incongruous that it's okay for 18 year olds to buy pump action rifles from Walmart, but not okay for academics to discuss how America could dislodge a fascist government through nonviolent means.


    LOL, a fascist government. Are you even remotely looking to be taken seriously? One of the most tolerant nations in the world is fascist? Why don't you try to go fix china or russia.

    Unreal.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
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    Brit_in_Canada saidIt's not clear how a law prohibiting discussion on "overthrowing government" can be reconciled with the Right To Bear Arms. It seems incongruous that it's okay for 18 year olds to buy pump action rifles from Walmart, but not okay for academics to discuss how America could dislodge a fascist government through nonviolent means.


    LOL, a fascist government. Are you even remotely looking to be taken seriously? One of the most tolerant nations in the world is fascist? Why don't you try to go fix china or russia.

    Unreal.


    Please don't patronise me, MockTwinkie. It makes you look like a mock teenager. I referred to discussion amongst academics on how the US could, not can, dislodge such a hypothetical government.
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:28 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 saidTrash-strewn trails and lay-ups of illegal immigrants in southern Arizona.

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    looks like a good place to put a McDonald's store
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    Jan 08, 2011 10:32 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 saidTrash-strewn trails and lay-ups of illegal immigrants in southern Arizona.

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    Reminds me of that horrible remake of War of the Worlds. lol
  • Webster666

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    Jan 08, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    Why aren't they teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, English, and anything else that will prepare a kid to do well in college ?
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    Jan 08, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    Sk8Tex said
    Caslon17000 saidTrash-strewn trails and lay-ups of illegal immigrants in southern Arizona.

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    Reminds me of that horrible remake of War of the Worlds. lol


    More like 'War of the Cultures.'
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:00 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidWhy aren't they teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, English, and anything else that will prepare a kid to do well in college ?
    Those aren't important anymore.. ideologies are.