Just when we think the Westboro Baptist Church could not sink any lower...

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    Jan 09, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
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  • rnch

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    Jan 09, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    may they receive the same Warm Welcome that the citizens of McAlester, OK bestowed on them.

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    Jan 09, 2011 2:58 PM GMT
    The public reaction will be interesting.

    Maybe we can get Palin to put one of her crosshairs on the Westboro Church and then just wait for a nutcake to do the rest.
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    I would bet they wouldn't be singing this tune if loughner had shot THEM all to 'hell'..
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI would bet they wouldn't be singing this tune if loughner had shot THEM all to 'hell'..


    quoting my maw-maw: "from your lips to His ears!"
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    I mean, I mean... icon_eek.gif

    Is this really true? It can't be!

    If it is, then I encourage the US Congress to pass a Resolution condemning that statement. So that Americans, and the rest of the world, can know that the principles upon which our democracy was founded haven't totally broken down.

    I will in fact contact the office of our Congressional District Representative, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz tomorrow (Monday), and propose that be done.
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    Jan 09, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    I wonder what happened to the Supreme Court with the WBC free speech case? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps
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    Jan 09, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI would bet they wouldn't be singing this tune if loughner had shot THEM all to 'hell'..


    Speaking of, why hasn't anyone done this yet? I mean they anger just about everyone, left and right.
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    Jan 09, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    These lunatics from the Westboro Baptist Insane Asylum just love to offend people with their outrageous, disgusting remarks. What else is new?
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    Jan 09, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    TropicalMark saidI would bet they wouldn't be singing this tune if loughner had shot THEM all to 'hell'..


    Speaking of, why hasn't anyone done this yet? I mean they anger just about everyone, left and right.
    Because politicians havent condemned these activities with vitriolic diatribes.. nor has any political party. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    I know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    jonesy saidI know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...


    If your country doesn't allow individuals the freedom to say what this insane church says then I worry far more about your country than you could ever worry about mine.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
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    jonesy saidI know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...


    If your country doesn't allow individuals the freedom to say what this insane church says then I worry far more about your country than you could ever worry about mine.



    In that case you must be worried about a lot of countries, mock. icon_lol.gif (and you're being dishonest, because you post constantly about the US, and not about free speech in those countries you're supposedly worried 'far more' about.)
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    jonesy saidI know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...


    If your country doesn't allow individuals the freedom to say what this insane church says then I worry far more about your country than you could ever worry about mine.



    In that case you must be worried about a lot of countries, mock. icon_lol.gif


    Yes, I am. I am shocked some times at the fact that the UK will randomly ban people for subjectively falling under some umbrella of what they consider "hate", like Geert Wilders, for example -- before he was elected in the Netherlands. I believe they also ban Rush Limbaugh from ever visiting, even though he's never said anything remotely "hateful".
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:46 AM GMT
    Finally a law (which will no doubt be litigated by the WBC to the Supreme Court) I can agree with coming from Arizona:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/?hpt=MidThe Arizona legislature is expected to pass legislation Tuesday targeting a Kansas church whose members have announced they plan to picket the funerals of the victims of Saturday's shootings in Tucson.

    The proposed legislation would make it a misdemeanor to protest within 300 feet of a funeral from one hour before until one hour after a funeral, a spokesman for the state House said.

    The action, according to House spokesman Daniel Scarpinato, is in direct response to the Westboro Baptist Church's announcement that it will picket the funeral of Christina Green, the 9-year-old who was among six people killed during Saturday's attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona.

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    Jan 12, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    Police will be there in heavy force to keep Arizonians from killing the Westboro protestors. Otherwise, there'd be no Baptist Church after this.
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidFinally a law (which will no doubt be litigated by the WBC to the Supreme Court) I can agree with coming from Arizona:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/?hpt=MidThe Arizona legislature is expected to pass legislation Tuesday targeting a Kansas church whose members have announced they plan to picket the funerals of the victims of Saturday's shootings in Tucson.

    The proposed legislation would make it a misdemeanor to protest within 300 feet of a funeral from one hour before until one hour after a funeral, a spokesman for the state House said.

    The action, according to House spokesman Daniel Scarpinato, is in direct response to the Westboro Baptist Church's announcement that it will picket the funeral of Christina Green, the 9-year-old who was among six people killed during Saturday's attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona.



    That sounds to me like a reasonable solution. Probably the Westboro Baptist "Church" will sue (many of their members are lawyers) on the basis that the law is unconstitutional, but by the time it goes to court, the funerals will be over.
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    Jan 12, 2011 1:01 AM GMT
    jprichva saidIt's all about attention. They haven't been in the news lately.
    If we stop paying attention they will wither and die.


    Exactly right.

    We really need a gentleperson's agreement among the media to ignore them.
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    Jan 12, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    jonesy saidI know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...


    If your country doesn't allow individuals the freedom to say what this insane church says then I worry far more about your country than you could ever worry about mine.



    In Ireland people are allowed to say what they like but if what is being said incites hatred or causes offence it can be challenged officially. This gives both parties in an exchange the right to put their case forward, if the language or statement in question is found to be offensive or it is deemed to be deliberately inciting hatred, there are sanctions.

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    Jan 12, 2011 8:03 AM GMT
    jonesy said
    mocktwinkie said
    jonesy saidI know the American Constitution protects freedom of speech but really how can your Government allow this group to continue their behaviour. Groups like this and the fact that they are not jailed for this behaviour really makes me worry about your country.

    How can your Government allow these people to picket funerals of heroes who have died for their country. Come on America, ban this group - your Government bans loads of groups around the world, even puts certain groups on terror lists, this group needs to be banned and put on a terror list for incitement of hatred.


    I do like you guys but come on...


    If your country doesn't allow individuals the freedom to say what this insane church says then I worry far more about your country than you could ever worry about mine.



    In Ireland people are allowed to say what they like but if what is being said incites hatred or causes offence it can be challenged officially. This gives both parties in an exchange the right to put their case forward, if the language or statement in question is found to be offensive or it is deemed to be deliberately inciting hatred, there are sanctions.

    Don't be worrying about my country, we might be broke but we doing alright icon_biggrin.gif


    We shouldn't stoop to there level and gut the first amendment just because they behave tastelessly.
    That doesnt mean a society couldnt get creative and collectively conspire to make sure they get be prohibited from making any sort of statement during this horrible time of grief.

    There are 70 or so of the Phelps total.

    Why cant something be done with there source of income. They seem to be lawyers. They have a 1st amendment right to speech. But not for the taxpayer to support there garbage.

    The children of Phelps obviously support the protest outfit. There should be and effort made that they should be fired as there views are incompatible with working with a government entity.

    Father: Fred Wade Phelps (railroad security officer, d. 14-Oct-1977)
    Mother: Catherine Idalette Johnston (housewife, d. 3-Sep-1935)
    Mother: Olive Briggs (stepmother, m. 1944, d. 29-June-1985)
    Sister: Martha Jean Capron (retired missionary, estranged from Phelps family)
    Wife: Margie Marie Simms (m. 15-May-1952, thirteen children)
    Son: Fred Phelps, Jr. (lawyer, employed by Kansas Department of Corrections)
    Son: Mark Phelps (business executive, estranged from Phelps family)
    Daughter: Katherine Phelps (lawyer, license to practice law suspended, estranged from Phelps family)
    Daughter: Margie Phelps (lawyer, employed by Kansas Department of Corrections)
    Daughter: Shirley Phelps-Roper (lawyer)
    Son: Nathan Phelps ("Nate", gay rights and atheist activist, estranged from Phelps family)
    Son: Jonathon B. Phelps (lawyer)
    Daughter: Rebekah Phelps-Davis (lawyer)
    Daughter: Elizabeth Phelps (lawyer, works at homeless shelter)
    Son: Timothy Phelps (lawyer, employed by Shawnee County Department of Corrections)
    Daughter: Dorotha Bird (lawyer, estranged from Phelps family)
    Daughter: Rachel Phelps (lawyer)
    Daughter: Abigail Phelps (lawyer)
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    Jan 12, 2011 1:14 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidYes, I am. I am shocked some times at the fact that the UK will randomly ban people for subjectively falling under some umbrella of what they consider "hate", like Geert Wilders, for example -- before he was elected in the Netherlands. I believe they also ban Rush Limbaugh from ever visiting, even though he's never said anything remotely "hateful".


    The UK does not ban Rush Limbaugh. Geert Wilders was banned because he was facing criminal hate charges in a Dutch court.

    These travel bans are not random. Are you contesting the UK's sovereign right to determine who enters its borders?
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    Jan 12, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    Those who have said the WBC should be ignored are absolutely correct.